Meeting notes - 10th December 2020 virtual meeting

Date: 10th December 2020

Participants: Adrian, pepe2k, richb, aparcar, chunkeey, lynxis, nbd, wigyori, stintel, Hauke, jow, Daniel, thess, Rafał, kaloz, blogic, ynezz

  • In Hamburg we decided to make releases more often (every 6 months), but nothing changed.
    • currently blocked by DSA integration, kernel updates, https, …
  • have snapshot releases in addition?
    • Just cut master at a time
  • Kernel: Use the testing kernel feature to use the next LTS kernel
  • Keep master in usable state, including user space and Luci
    • DSA was a problem
      • rampis was the first big target which got it with kernel 5.4
    • add feature flags?
      • add global flag to activate all testing flags
      • Needs coordination
      • like the experimental flag in the kernel
      • two branches will probably not work because we do not have enough manpower
      • Daniel will implement this feature flag
  • signed sysupgrade images was added some years ago
  • secure master key and delegate keys to the builds
    • key revocation is implemented
  • not activating by default for now, but sign it and allow to check if.
  • this would make it easier for vendors to use strong crypto in their system
  • For automatic update this would be needed
    • we could also sign a file with the hashes of the images
  • do better security review of ucert, when we use it by default people will look closely at it
    • canonical format is needed
  • Missing in LuCI, eta 2-3 weeks
  • Missing default network configuration
    • turn it off
    • disabling this would violate the 802.11 standard on some targets where the drivers/firmware fail to adjust the rates that management and control frames are transmitted at to the minimum basic rate that is advertised in the beacon and probe response frames
      • works normally
      • should be added to the release notes and people can turn it on again.
  • enable ieee80211w by default after branching
  • John will push ieee80211ax changes after branching
  • ieee80211w could cause problems with very broken and/or old devices
    • we plan to ignore this
    • it should be very easy to disable these features to make old devices work
  • landing page still on :80 with opt-in (single button enable) for HTTPS?
  • no https in release
  • proposal to branch of beginning of Jan and get the features which are in and nothing more.
  • do not update the wifi driver for now keep them based on kernel 5.8 and do a minor update in March or so with an update to 5.10 based
  • is EOL now
  • 19.07 EOL date extension, currently set to January 2021
    • lets figure this out in the next few days and put it on the mailing list
    • increase to August 2021 for now
  • Motivation for new rules…
  • keep voting on the list
    • based on timezone it is hard for some people to join meeting
  • having a binding road map will probably not work
    • OpenWrt is a hobby project for most of us and we would not commit to this
  • For the next meeting people should prepare how we can improve the meeting
  • put onto next meeting
  • if it breaks just revert it, but inform the person before
    • it is not about the person, but about the code
  • It is much more important to keep master working
  • possible migration {git,gitlab}.openwrt.org
  • CI testing?
  • an other part of infrastructure we have to maintain
  • Is there an open source gitlab hoster
    • The systemd team could host it?
  • An overview over the current infrastructure would be nice next meeting
  • Keep devices/schema in main repo or have them separate (e.g. “devices.git”)?
    • does not have to be manually copied to wiki when we have it in git and mandatory for adding a new device
    • possible to combine this with board.d files later
    • keep it in the main repo makes it easy to check if it is added in a commit which adds a new device
  • Non-public communication, e.g. talking about not published security problems
  • continue using contact@openwrt.org for this
  • hackers@openwrt.org did not went so well
  • use a closed forum category
  • think about this topic and discuss about it in the next meeting

In about one month, Paul takes care.

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