OpenWrt

[00:02] <Dabian> 5 minutes must be enough to write to the flash.
[00:02] <nbd> yes
[00:03] <Dabian> "sleep 300 ; echo OK, you can reboot now." is your friend. ;-)
[00:03] <nbd> if you had a serial console it would have told you when it's done
[00:03] <Dabian> Yeah, I need to buy such a cable.
[00:03] <nbd> bigslam2: hi
[00:04] <bigslam2> howdy i think it worked
[00:04] <bigslam2> only thing is my power led is still flashing
[00:04] <nbd> can you send me the full boot log?
[00:04] <bigslam2> sure sure
[00:13] <Dabian> nbd: Neat .. it remembered my root password!
[00:13] <Dabian> ${FAILSAFE:+exit}
[00:13] <Dabian> Shouldn't that make S45firewall exit on failsafe .. or?
[00:13] <Dabian> oh well .. I better go to bed and fiddle with the wrt in the morning.
[00:13] <Dabian> nbd: Thanks for all your help. I am pretty sure I wouldn't have managed without you!
[00:14] <nbd> have fun :)
[00:15] <Dabian> nbd: Thanks :)
[00:15] <Dabian> nbd: Maybe I could end up as a contributing developer one day. ;-)
[00:15] <nbd> there's always stuff people can do
[00:15] <Dabian> nbd: Cool! Currently, I am picking up Lisp.
[00:16] <nbd> do you like working on web interfaces? :)
[00:16] <nbd> i could use some help there
[00:16] <Dabian> nbd: Maybe :)
[00:16] <J4k3> heh, wow... this wl500g+atheros is unstoppable throughput-wise
[00:16] <nbd> cool
[00:17] <Dabian> nbd: I am not too genius with web pages .. but .. I think it would be nice with a webinterface :)
[00:17] <J4k3> well, I can't test full superg mode here, theres too much interference on the tower for that
[00:17] <nbd> Dabian: well, the structure and layout are there
[00:17] <Dabian> nbd: As ipkg?
[00:17] <nbd> Dabian: we only need the implementation of the actual pages
[00:17] <J4k3> but it seems to handle compression+bursting+fastframe @ 54mbit, without bcm/owrt being the throughput limitation ;)
[00:18] <Dabian> nbd: YOu have a logo with picture of a "white russian"?
[00:18] <nbd> Dabian: yes. i started working on this a few days ago. you can get a snapshot here: http://openwrt.inf.fh-brs.de/~nbd/webif-test_1.ipk
[00:18] <nbd> Dabian: no
[00:18] <Dabian> Maybe I ask .. I know two people who like to photograph a lot. :)
[00:18] <nbd> J4k3: cool stuff
[00:18] <J4k3> ah, but I still get spontaious reboots on occasion, but they're 100% related to my shitty Power-over-ethernet setup, which I plan to fix tonight
[00:19] <J4k3> the 7805 hits its temp cap and shuts down for about 3 seconds
[00:19] <J4k3> ;)
[00:19] <Dabian> nbd: What kinda glass would you like for a white russian?
[00:21] <J4k3> nbd: also getting 99.996% completion on ping -f over a -80dBm (both ways) connection
[00:21] <J4k3> locked at 11mbit, though
[00:21] <Dabian> nbd: (I know this is not so important, but I just came to think of it. One of them has a pretty cool camera too, Canon DS-10 or something.
[00:22] <J4k3> nbd: according to ubiquiti's website they totally screwed up the MMCX port on the SR2, I'm going to try swapping over to the ufl (eww) port tomorrow... gotta throw in new pigtails and such
[00:24] <Dabian> nbd: I'll look at the package tomorrow, or when I get my wrt configured. :-)
[00:25] <Dabian> nbd: I'll wait some about the picture of the drink .. after all, images tends to take up a lot of space. ;-)
[00:35] <mache> nbd: do you know that the linux-atm package has issues compiling on a suse system?
[00:35] <mache> nbd: apparently it has some dependencies on automake-1.4
[00:36] <mache> nbd: unfortunatelly I'm not very familiar with autoconf&co
[00:36] <nbd> mache: and it doesn't work if you install automake?
[00:36] <nbd> mache: oh, and you need libtool
[00:36] <mache> nbd: I have automake installed
[00:36] <mache> nbd: I mean the automake on suse that is version 1.9
[00:37] <mache> nbd: I don't know where the 1.4 version comes from
[00:37] <mache> nbd: at the end I compiled it but not clean at all
[00:51] <nbd> bigslam2: ping
[01:16] <synth> how do you guys do hostnames for dhcp hosts?
[01:16] <synth> let them provide em, or force them when specifying a mac ?
[01:26] <bigslam2> weeee
[01:26] <bigslam2> 4.0 running openwrt:)
[02:35] <Semhirage> is dnsmasq an actual dnscache or just a dhcp program?
[02:36] <zinx> i think it does both
[02:41] <s-ndh-c> strange
[02:42] <s-ndh-c> my wrt gets an ip via pppoe but internet connection from my clients does not work
[02:42] <nbd> did you set wan_ifname to ppp0?
[02:43] <s-ndh-c> yes
[02:43] <s-ndh-c> ifconfig shows that iam connected and the interface has a valid ip
[02:43] <nbd> dns works?
[02:43] <s-ndh-c> no that seems to be the problem
[02:43] <nbd> some people set wan_ifname to vlan1 and that can cause problems like that
[02:43] <s-ndh-c> dnsmasq is running
[02:44] <nbd> do you get dns on the wrt?
[02:44] <s-ndh-c> yes
[02:44] <s-ndh-c> i can ping internet hostnames
[02:45] <nbd> do ipkg update; ipkg install iptables-utils and send me the output of iptables-save
[02:56] <tortoise_> Perhaps a silly question but why aren't prebuilt images available?
[02:56] <bigslam2> ther arent?
[02:58] <nbd> tortoise_: prebuilt images of what?
[02:59] <tortoise_> umm maybe there are but I went and got rc2 from http://downloads.openwrt.org/whiterussian/
[03:00] <tortoise_> and now I'm building it, but I wouldn't mind just taking a prebuilt .bin and tftp'ing it
[03:01] <[mbm]> did you look in the bin dir?
[03:02] <synth> bin dir?? whats tHAT
[03:02] Action: synth doses sarcasm
[03:02] <synth> hm. vmware dunna want to play nice w/my usb-serial com ports
[03:03] <bigslam2> mbm i have openwrt working on 4.0:)
[03:03] <bigslam2> thanks to nbd
[03:03] <[mbm]> bigslam2: yeah, I was talking with nbd about that
[03:04] <tortoise_> [mbm]: umm, I don't see a bin dir
[03:04] <bigslam2> type cd ..
[03:04] <bigslam2> and keep going back
[03:04] <[mbm]> tortoise_: http://downloads.openwrt.org/whiterussian/rc2/bin/
[03:04] <tortoise_> argg
[03:04] <bigslam2> oh that one:P
[03:05] <tortoise_> [mbm]: AHHH.. thanks.. sorry I was looking in my untarred tree
[03:05] <D_Web> [mbm] - were you saying you'd advise against using -F FORWARD ACCEPT for day to day use?
[03:05] <[mbm]> D_Web: -P FORWARD ACCEPT
[03:06] <D_Web> yeah P :)
[03:06] <D_Web> is it a bad thing (tm)?
[03:06] <[mbm]> D_Web: to illustrate the problem, let's say you're on an isp that assigns you a 123.x.x.x address
[03:06] <[mbm]> so you get assigned 123.1.2.3 as your ip address
[03:06] <[mbm]> someone else on the same isp could set their gateway as 123.1.2.3
[03:07] <[mbm]> and the routing would allow them access to the 192.168.1.x (your lan)
[03:07] <D_Web> ah
[03:08] <tortoise_> will I be able to edit the dhcpd's config files in /etc with the squashfs firmware or will they live in the readonly portion?
[03:08] <[mbm]> tortoise_: everything is editable
[03:08] <D_Web> yes, tortoise_
[03:08] <[mbm]> difference is that with squashfs everything is a symlink, and with jffs2 it's actual files
[03:09] <[mbm]> so on squashfs you just delete the symlink and you can put whatever you want there
[03:10] <tortoise_> ahh.. great.. I'm very impressed with this openwrt project
[03:13] <bigslam2> hmm
[03:13] <bigslam2> anyone know if the solder points changed for 4.0?
[03:19] <Erik_-> bigslam2 for jtag?
[03:20] <tortoise> JESUS, this is so badass, I bow to the people who made this saying "I'm not worthy"
[03:23] <bigslam2> for SD
[03:24] <bigslam2> i got the jtag working i just want an sd now:P
[03:25] <Erik_-> bigslam2 im not sure about the sd ( i have not made one mye self , im waithing for the max chip+sc holder in the mail
[03:27] <bigslam2> ahh
[03:28] <bigslam2> a phone cable worked for me
[03:31] <Erik_-> bigslam2 im working on the wrt54g toy car :=)
[03:34] <bigslam2> :)
[03:35] <Erik_-> http://www.ranvik.net/prosjekter-privat/wrt54lekebil/ <- my work to now
[03:35] <Erik_-> im just mising the max chip :(
[03:36] <mjh73ca> What is the endianness of the WRT54GS?
[03:37] <MacSlow> Greetings everybody!
[03:37] <tortoise> okay I'm reading the configuration docs on the web page, and I'm a bit confused
[03:37] <bigslam2> howdy
[03:38] <tortoise> I want to set it up os that the LAN and WIFI are seperate, and there is s config given
[03:38] <tortoise> do I just use nvram to set all those fields to thos values
[03:40] <MacSlow> what way is there to check a LinkSys WRT54G for an enabled "boot_wait"?
[03:40] <MacSlow> or will I just have to try uploading the firmware with tftp after a power-cycle?
[03:42] <mjh73ca> Does anyone actually use the CIFS code?
[03:53] <MacSlow> btw... when I flash my LinkSys WRT54G v1.1 (1.42.2) with openwrt-wrt54g-squashfs.bin and power-cycle it... will I still have a vanilla web-UI on 192.168.0.1? Or am I restricted to a telnet-connection?
[03:54] <kaos_engr> no web ui
[03:54] <kaos_engr> enable boot_wait before flashing
[03:55] <kaos_engr> using ping hack command lines to set it
[03:55] <MacSlow> that I already did an was able to verify as described by the docs
[03:56] <MacSlow> I mean setting all those values (ISP info, WEP etc) via telnet after the flashing seems so tedious
[03:56] <tortoise> I'm having some trouble deciphering this one dnsmasq line
[03:56] <tortoise> dhcp-range=vlan0,10.60.68.18,10.60.68.22,255.255.255.248,48h
[03:57] <MacSlow> I'd rather like to reenter that stuff via a vanilal web-UI... I know I'mlazy :)
[03:57] <tortoise> okay I understand the first field and the last two fields
[03:57] <tortoise> what are the wto fields in between about?
[03:57] <tortoise> start and end of the dhcp range, durrhhh
[03:57] <tortoise> nm
[04:00] <MacSlow> kaos_engr, so... what happens to all those settings (ISP-info password, WEP-settings etc.) is there a way to "save" this and reapply those settings after booting the newly flashed OpenWRT firmare?
[04:01] <MacSlow> I haven't found that in the OpenWRT-docs yet.
[04:05] <kaos_engr> that i'm not sure of macslow, it's been some time since i flashed openwrt to my linksys box and have it back to stock fw right now
[04:05] <MacSlow> kaos_engr, so openwrt did not work for you?
[04:06] <kaos_engr> well i'm lazy too
[04:06] <kaos_engr> liked web ui
[04:07] <kaos_engr> and kaistation worked with linksys fw not openwrt
[04:07] <kaos_engr> or is more like stock fw instead of openwrt
[04:07] <kaos_engr> for xbox system link tunneling
[04:08] <Sinbios> anyone know how to connect to wrt54g with minicom via serial interface?
[04:08] <mjh73ca> Sinbios: You have the serial interface built and working?
[04:10] <Sinbios> i'm assuming so
[04:10] <kaos_engr> you need to read how to connect a serial interface. there's not one directly accessible on the box without adapter
[04:10] <kaos_engr> http://jdc.parodius.com/wrt54g/serial.html
[04:10] <Sinbios> i'm not sure whether tx on the cable goes to tx or rx on the board, but that's easily swappable
[04:11] <Sinbios> i built the adapter already
[04:11] <Sinbios> all i need to know is what to do in the software
[04:11] <mjh73ca> Sinbios: You should just be able to fire up minicom, set the port, speed to 115200 and let fly. If it doesn't work you might have the tx/rx lines reverese
[04:12] <Sinbios> ah
[04:12] <Sinbios> it says "offline", does that matter?
[04:12] <mjh73ca> Sinbios: nope
[04:12] <Sinbios> also, do have have to set the serial port device in minicom?
[04:12] <Sinbios> do I*
[04:12] <mjh73ca> Yes
[04:12] <Sinbios> which would it be in debian?
[04:12] <mjh73ca> You need to tell it which port to use, which will depend on which on you plugged itno
[04:13] <mjh73ca> ttyS0 or ttyS1 AFAIK
[04:13] Action: nbd is happy that the wrt54g v4.0 problem is finally fixed
[04:13] <Sinbios> ah, thanks
[04:13] <Sinbios> well, let's see if nbd's magic adapter works ;)
[04:14] Action: nbd loves magic
[04:14] <MacSlow> brb
[04:16] <Sinbios> nothing :(
[04:17] <mjh73ca> got a null modem?
[04:17] <mjh73ca> quicker than the soldering iron :)
[04:17] <Sinbios> ?
[04:17] <Sinbios> a eh?
[04:18] <mjh73ca> null modem....it basically crosses the tx and rx lines for you
[04:18] <Sinbios> oh, i have female headers on the board
[04:18] <Sinbios> so i just plug the wire in
[04:18] <mjh73ca> Ah...OKay, then try swapping tx and rx
[04:19] <Sinbios> did that
[04:19] <Sinbios> nothing :(
[04:19] <Sinbios> want to ssh in and help me set it up?
[04:19] <mjh73ca> Flow controll off?
[04:19] <Sinbios> yep
[04:19] <Sinbios> one of the wires broke off, brb resoldering
[04:19] <mjh73ca> 115200,8,N,1
[04:19] <Sinbios> i'll give you a call when i get it done
[04:19] <Sinbios> yeah, did that too
[04:20] <mjh73ca> k
[04:20] <bigslam2> openwrt really needs a web interface:P
[04:20] <mjh73ca> bigslam2: WRite one
[04:21] <nbd> bigslam2: i'm working on it :)
[04:21] <bigslam2> faster faster:P
[04:21] <nbd> could use some help, though :)
[04:21] <MacSlow> re
[04:22] <nbd> if you all want a web interface, then look at my code and contribute config pages :P
[04:22] <bigslam2> k
[04:22] <bigslam2> wheres the code
[04:22] <nbd> http://openwrt.inf.fh-brs.de/~nbd/webif-test_1.ipk
[04:23] <nbd> it doesn't do much yet (only started it a few days ago)
[04:23] <nbd> but the structure is there
[04:24] <bigslam2> i really need more space on my linksys box
[04:24] <bigslam2> but the pins for the sd card are different on linksys v4
[04:25] Action: AzCowboy got scared by
[04:25] Action: AzCowboy got scared by OpenWRT.
[04:25] <Sinbios> nbd: is there something special i have to do to let minicom know it's using usb port instead of serial?
[04:25] <AzCowboy> Heh.
[04:25] <nbd> Sinbios: yes. set the port to /dev/ttyUSB0
[04:25] <mjh73ca> Sinbios: Yes
[04:25] <nbd> AzCowboy: what's so scary about it?
[04:25] <Sinbios> lol :P
[04:26] <AzCowboy> I don't really know anything about Linux.
[04:26] <nbd> AzCowboy: isn't it about time you learned to use it? :)
[04:26] <AzCowboy> You'd think. But it scares me. I just spent 5 hours messing with it, and really didn't accomplish anything.
[04:27] <AzCowboy> Couldn't even figure out how to make it keep it's wireless settings across a reboot.
[04:27] <mjh73ca> AzCowboy: Linux is very user friendly....Just takes it time to become a friend :)
[04:27] <bigslam2> nvram set blah blah
[04:27] <bigslam2> nvram commit
[04:27] <bigslam2> :)
[04:27] <Sinbios> nbd: i can't find it under /dev/ though :/
[04:27] <Sinbios> AzCowboy: only 5 hours? :P
[04:27] <nbd> Sinbios: then you need the driver
[04:28] <Sinbios> which package?
[04:28] <AzCowboy> Yeah. 5 hours. managed to get the wireless working WPA-PSK, but had to re-do the settings after each reboot.
[04:28] <bigslam2> u do a nvram set blahblah
[04:28] <bigslam2> and nvram commit
[04:29] <bigslam2> to save it
[04:29] <nbd> AzCowboy: ask questions :)
[04:29] <AzCowboy> I DID get wiviz installed and working.
[04:29] <AzCowboy> heh
[04:29] <bigslam2> hmm nbd i like it
[04:29] <nbd> :)
[04:30] <nbd> anyway. i'll go to sleep now
[04:31] <nbd> will upload a snapshot with full linksys v4 support tomorrow morning
[04:31] <Sinbios> ~~~
[04:31] <Sinbios> nbd: which drivers do i need?
[04:31] <nbd> Sinbios: depends on your cable
[04:31] <nbd> Sinbios: usually either cp2101 or pl2303
[04:31] <nbd> Sinbios: if you have both, then it should work somehow
[04:31] <Sinbios> mmm
[04:31] <Sinbios> is there a package with these?
[04:32] <nbd> what os are you using?
[04:32] <Sinbios> debian
[04:32] <nbd> standard kernel or custom compiled?
[04:32] <Sinbios> standard
[04:32] <nbd> try modprobe pl2303
[04:33] <Sinbios> aha, the mod is usbserial
[04:33] <mjh73ca> Anyone had any success with cifs?
[04:33] <Sinbios> still not seeing ttyUSB0 though
[04:33] <bigslam2> hmm
[04:33] Action: AzCowboy glares around a bit at the jerks that convinced him to try again...
[04:33] <nbd> Sinbios: do you have something in /dev/usb?
[04:33] <mjh73ca> Do you have to mknod?
[04:34] <nbd> AzCowboy: see, not asking questions only leads to frustration
[04:35] Action: nbd really needs some sleep now
[04:35] <nbd> it's about 4:30 am here
[04:35] <mjh73ca> Nite :)
[04:35] <nbd> nite :)
[04:38] <bigslam2> hmm
[04:38] <bigslam2> now that i have openwrt installed on my 4.0 can i downgrade to anything i want now
[04:38] <bigslam2> ?
[04:38] <ToR\L> why would you want to downgrade?
[04:38] <nbd> no
[04:39] <Sinbios> can't find package mknod :/
[04:39] <nbd> you can only use openwrt, hyperwrt and linksys v4 firmware
[04:39] <bigslam2> hmm does openwrt have anything for kai?
[04:39] <nbd> not yet
[04:39] <nbd> but it should be relatively easy to port
[04:40] <bigslam2> hmm
[04:40] <Sinbios> mjh73ca: where can i get this mknod?
[04:41] <nbd> Sinbios: it should be on your system already
[04:42] <Sinbios> ok, so what do i do now?
[04:42] <bigslam2> hmm one more thing nbd
[04:42] <bigslam2> seeing how i have my wireless router hocked up to uplink
[04:42] <bigslam2> what if i set port forwardings on my wireless router?
[04:42] <bigslam2> wouldnt they be closed?
[04:44] <nbd> since it's not doing any actual routing, port forwardings have no effect
[04:44] <Sinbios> nbd: might the device be elsewhere?
[04:45] <nbd> Sinbios: look for hints in dmesg
[04:46] <bigslam2> im board now
[04:46] <bigslam2> i got it all hocked up
[04:46] <bigslam2> and i have nothing todo
[04:46] <bigslam2> lol
[04:46] <bigslam2> how sad
[04:47] <J4k3> personally
[04:47] <J4k3> I want to see somebody add a MiniPCI video card to a wrt ;)
[04:47] <AzCowboy> heh
[04:47] <J4k3> (and hack the video bios to actually work)
[04:48] <AzCowboy> I'd be happy if I just knew what the hell I was doing.
[04:48] Action: AzCowboy snickers.
[04:48] <J4k3> well, a minipci wrt-alike model
[04:48] <Leeds> anyone ever tried usb->vga on an openwrt box?
[04:48] <J4k3> that'd be cool if linux has support
[04:49] <Leeds> linux does have support for at least one usb-vga dongle, I'm told
[04:49] <nbd> this sounds crazy enough that i might actually help making the drivers work :)
[04:49] <J4k3> haha
[04:49] Action: AzCowboy pokes nbd.
[04:49] <J4k3> add a USB keyboard and mouse
[04:49] <J4k3> and off you go ;)
[04:50] <AzCowboy> I thought you were going to sleep?
[04:50] <nbd> i was going to sleep
[04:50] <nbd> i mean i am still going to sleep
[04:50] <J4k3> then you got him all hot and bothered with the usb->vga
[04:51] <AzCowboy> I've got two computers on my desk... both connected to my main WRT, with this one with openwrt wired between them... one comp - WAN, one to LAN.
[04:51] Action: AzCowboy snickers.
[04:51] Action: nbd sleeps
[04:51] <bigslam2> hmm
[04:51] <bigslam2> i need an eggdrop script for my router
[04:51] <bigslam2> that shows uptime in a channel
[04:53] <tortoise> I can't get dnsmasq to work even if I revert to the original symlinks
[04:53] <AzCowboy> damn that's a lot of packages.
[04:54] <tortoise> I keep getting the following error:
[04:54] <tortoise> dnsmasq: bad command line options: inconsistent DHCP range.
[04:54] Action: AzCowboy sighs.
[04:54] <tortoise> anyone know whats up with that?
[04:54] <MacSlow> are there any projects ongoing giving openwrt a nice web-ui for the lazy folks?
[04:55] <MacSlow> just saw this effort here... very nice http://www.m0n0.ch
[04:56] <J4k3> MacSlow: yeah, lots of folks
[04:56] <MacSlow> J4k3, but nothing officially in the openwrt-"release" included yet I assume?
[04:57] <tortoise> wait why are there nvram entries dhcp_* shouldn't /etc/dnsmasq be all thats needed.. I'm severely confused
[05:05] <[mbm]> tortoise: dhcp_start=100 dhcp_num=100
[05:14] Action: AzCowboy sighs.
[05:14] <AzCowboy> Hmm...well... no dhcp, no dns.
[05:15] <AzCowboy> But it DOES keep it's wireless settings across a reboot... but mainly because Linksys SES put them in there.
[05:15] <AzCowboy> heh
[05:15] <Sinbios> argh
[05:15] Action: Sinbios is defeated
[05:15] <mjh73ca> I am having some strange problems using cifs. Random bytes get changed. I am wondering if anyone else has had that problem.
[05:15] <mjh73ca> Sinbios: Do you have a read serial port?
[05:16] <Sinbios> ?
[05:16] <mjh73ca> real even
[05:16] <Sinbios> yeah
[05:16] <Sinbios> but i already bought the USB adapter :(
[05:16] <bigslam2> i need more damn space
[05:16] <Sinbios> and apparent it could be made to work
[05:16] <mjh73ca> Ah. Have you tried with the real serial port to make sure your adapter is working properly?
[05:17] <Sinbios> how would i do that?
[05:17] <Sinbios> stick the pins into tx/rx in the port?
[05:17] <Sinbios> and then?
[05:18] <Sinbios> anyway, right now what happens is it tells me full speed usb device plugged, assigned to address 3 or something like that
[05:18] <Sinbios> i'm looking at http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/x356.html
[05:18] <Sinbios> i'll try to see if that works
[05:18] <mjh73ca> I wired my to have a DB9 on each side. Then soldered the pins from an old multi IO card into the holes in the board of the WRT54GS and use the connector from the same multi IO card to connect to my adapter. Then run a standard serial cable to the other side of my adapter and it works good
[05:22] <Sinbios> http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/x356.html <= following these instructions, it says no such device
[05:22] Action: AzCowboy sighs.
[05:23] <mjh73ca> Sinbios: ls -l /dev/usb
[05:25] <bigslam2> hmm
[05:25] <bigslam2> all i did was plug in my usb cable to my pc
[05:25] <bigslam2> put the wires to the pinouts
[05:25] <bigslam2> and away i went
[05:26] <mjh73ca> bigslam2: I used a standard serial port and it worked the second time (first time I had my rx and tx lines crossed)
[05:26] <AzCowboy> blah... How do I figure out why DNS and DHCP aren't working?
[05:26] <mjh73ca> ps ax | less
[05:26] <mjh73ca> see if dnsmasq are running
[05:27] <AzCowboy> yes
[05:28] <AzCowboy> as user nobody?
[05:28] Action: AzCowboy scratches his head.
[05:28] <mjh73ca> ls -l /etc/resolv.conf
[05:28] <[mbm]> dhcp_start=100 dhcp_num=100
[05:28] <AzCowboy> Everything else says root.
[05:29] <AzCowboy> num=50, start=100
[05:29] <[mbm]> good enough
[05:29] <mjh73ca> AzCowboy: That is what mine is here.....
[05:30] <MacSlow> btw were on a LinkSys WRT54g are all the settings i enter stored?
[05:30] <[mbm]> nvram
[05:30] <AzCowboy> hmm
[05:31] Action: AzCowboy wishes this wasn't on two different comps, so he could copy/paste.
[05:31] <AzCowboy> . /etc/resolfv.conf -> /tmp/resolv.conf
[05:32] <mjh73ca> cat /etc/resolv.conf
[05:32] <AzCowboy> search mshome.net
[05:32] <AzCowboy> nameserver 192.168.0.1
[05:32] <MacSlow> does openwrt use the very same settings, which are currently used by the factory-firmware, once I flashed it on?
[05:32] <mjh73ca> AzCowboy: what is 192.168.0.1?
[05:33] <MacSlow> I 'm not very confident with the commandline-aspects of iptables & Co
[05:33] <bedtime> every time i get into the channel all kind of port scanning / stupid ssh 2.0 old xploits / stuff is performed on my router
[05:33] <bedtime> goddamn hippies
[05:34] <bedtime> MacSlow: what you wanna do with the iptables guys?
[05:34] <bedtime> im kinda an xpert on that
[05:34] <bedtime> ( goddamn kernel bugs )
[05:34] <bedtime> hippies , everywhere
[05:34] <bedtime> goddam hippies
[05:34] <AzCowboy> 192.168.0.1 is my other comp... with ICS, feeding the WAN port of the router.
[05:35] <bedtime> az ivan?
[05:35] <bedtime> hammer?
[05:35] <MacSlow> bedtime, well actually I just want my LinkSysWRT54g to get snmp-functionality... thus I'll need openwrt to run on it afaik.
[05:35] <Sinbios> mjh73ca: what am i looking for in the ls?
[05:35] <mjh73ca> AzCowboy: Is it answering DNS queries?
[05:35] <bedtime> is snmpd and traps running on openwrt?
[05:36] <AzCowboy> Dunno
[05:36] <AzCowboy> It SHOULD be.
[05:36] <AzCowboy> heh
[05:36] <mjh73ca> Sinbios: Anything except and error :)
[05:36] <MacSlow> bedtime, but since the rc2 of whiterussian isn't coming with a vanilla web-interface I can use for configureing it after flashed I fear I won't be albe to get it up and running again.
[05:36] <bedtime> so how do you xpect to get snmp working on that?
[05:36] <bedtime> MacSlow: thats gay
[05:36] <MacSlow> bedtime, well ok via telnetting to it.
[05:36] <mjh73ca> AzCowboy: Try changing it to the IP of your providers name server
[05:37] <bedtime> Console rulZ
[05:37] <mjh73ca> bedtime: The only way!
[05:37] <bedtime> btw , you gonna need to build all the shell scripts to allow the snmp traps to modify something on that
[05:37] <mjh73ca> bedtime: I didn'
[05:38] <outsidefactor> join #sveasoft
[05:38] <bedtime> outsidefactor: wtf?
[05:38] <outsidefactor> do'h, left off the leading slash
[05:38] <outsidefactor> sorry
[05:38] <mjh73ca> bedtime: I didn't need the traps so just had to run the daemon for monitoring and it worked nicely, didn't take much either
[05:38] <MacSlow> bedtime, I cannot afford to hack on it all day if stuff breaks (I don't get configured right) for normal router-service... and since I'm not the only one depending on it I currently hesitate to give it a go.
[05:39] <bedtime> mjh73ca: ok , but just monitoring
[05:39] <MacSlow> right firing up the deamon for net-snmp I espect to be some one-liner like "service net-snmp start"
[05:39] <mjh73ca> bedtime: Yes, my goal was to monitor tracking
[05:39] <mjh73ca> err bandwidth usage
[05:39] <MacSlow> mjh73ca, that's what I'm after too.
[05:40] <mjh73ca> MacSlow: I wanted to customize things a fair bit so built mine from source so not sure how much I can help you with
[05:40] <bedtime> MacSlow: oh , ok so basic monitoring , that would be easy via default netsnmp
[05:41] <MacSlow> the main question for me right now is:
[05:42] <MacSlow> will openwrt whiterussian rc2 use they very same settings currently entered via the factory-firmware from LinkSys and just work after rebooting?
[05:42] <MacSlow> I mean there's tons of stuff I entered tweaked over the time
[05:44] <[mbm]> MacSlow: usually.. might be some tweaking
[05:44] <Sinbios> mjh73ca: not seeing errors, but the device doesn't seem to exist when i try to cat/access it
[05:44] Action: AzCowboy kicks it a couple times.
[05:45] <mjh73ca> Sinbios: Did you see things in the /dev/usb directory?
[05:45] <AzCowboy> How do I change the nameserver?
[05:45] <mjh73ca> AzCowboy: How is the router getting its IP?
[05:45] <MacSlow> [mbm], "usually" :) that scares me a bit :)
[05:46] <Sinbios> mjh73ca: i saw the ttyUSB0 i just made with mknod, yeah
[05:46] <[mbm]> MacSlow: show me anything that works 100% of the time
[05:46] <mjh73ca> [mbm]: Microsofts BSoD :D
[05:46] <AzCowboy> umm... dhcp off of the other comp.
[05:46] <AzCowboy> err... THIS comp.
[05:46] <MacSlow> [mbm], but then reflashing it with factory-firmware, if I totally cannot get it to work, would still give me back teh old status of a working router with my settings, right?
[05:46] <bedtime> no
[05:46] <mjh73ca> Sinbios: what are the perms on it?
[05:47] <Sinbios> rwrr
[05:47] <kaos_engr> save your settings with the factory software first
[05:47] <Sinbios> i'm using sudo with my accesses, though
[05:47] <kaos_engr> before trying openwrt
[05:47] <kaos_engr> so you can restore it after flashing factory fw back if openwrt doesn't work for you
[05:47] <mjh73ca> AzCowboy: Okay, do you have another computer connected the same was as the openwrt box?
[05:47] <bedtime> MacSlow: nvram show > /tmp/smth
[05:47] <bedtime> then copy smth to somewhere
[05:47] <[mbm]> MacSlow: if it doesn't work you flash back to linksys, settings intact
[05:48] <mjh73ca> Sinbios: what did you set for the port in minicom? /dev/usb/ttyUSB0?
[05:48] <Sinbios> yeah
[05:48] <mjh73ca> Sinbios: Okay, but it doesn'
[05:48] <AzCowboy> No, I have this one connected via wireless to my main WRT, LAN on this connected ICS to the WAN on the openwrt box, then my laptop connected to the LAN side of the openWRT box. The openWRT router HAS internet connectivity, I can download things to it.
[05:48] <mjh73ca> damn keyboard!!!!!!
[05:48] <MacSlow> bedtime, I enter that in the ping.asp of the normal firmware?
[05:49] <mjh73ca> Sinbios: Okay, but it doesn't allow you to open it? That suggests that the driver isn't working right
[05:49] <Sinbios> mmmm
[05:49] <MacSlow> [mbm], so the settings in nvram aren't touched by the flashing-process ?!
[05:49] <Sinbios> well, i just know that cat ttyUSB0 produces "no such device"
[05:49] <[mbm]> MacSlow: right
[05:50] <mjh73ca> AzCowboy: You accessing stuff by IP or name?
[05:50] <MacSlow> [mbm], ok that's good to know.... still I better backup the output of the settings like bedtime described
[05:50] <AzCowboy> both.
[05:50] <mjh73ca> Sinbios: try dmesg
[05:50] <bedtime> ok guys , i brb
[05:50] <mjh73ca> AzCowboy: What makes you think that DNS isn't working thne?
[05:50] Action: fuckTime :)
[05:50] <AzCowboy> The comp that's connected downstream of the openWRT isn't getting DHCP or DNS.
[05:50] <outsidefactor> wow, the sveasoft channel is dead
[05:50] <AzCowboy> Not internet connectivity.
[05:51] <fuckTime> outsidefactor: sveasoft is dead
[05:51] <mjh73ca> AzCowboy: Okay, that is likely just DHCP then
[05:51] <fuckTime> outsidefactor: btw it is the "S" word
[05:51] <mjh73ca> AzCowboy: if it is set to obtain name servers automatically it won't get them with DHCP not working either.
[05:52] <mjh73ca> AzCowboy: what is the IP address on br0
[05:52] <AzCowboy> umm... good question?
[05:52] Action: AzCowboy is a Linux noob....
[05:52] <Sinbios> mjh73ca: dmesg just tells me blah blah registered new driver when i loaded the pl2303 mod
[05:52] <mjh73ca> Assuming default interface names
[05:52] <mjh73ca> AzCowboy: ifconfig br0
[05:53] <AzCowboy> 192.168.1.1
[05:53] <mjh73ca> Sinbios: Nothing about ports or anything? I am guessing here since I haven't used USB <-> Serial under Linux
[05:53] <mjh73ca> AzCowboy: less /etc/dnsmasq.conf
[05:54] <mjh73ca> AzCowboy: and look for dhcp-range=
[05:54] <mjh73ca> should be 192.168.1. something
[05:54] <[mbm]> mjh73ca: that's not in the conf anymore
[05:54] <Sinbios> mjh73ca: nope...
[05:54] <mjh73ca> [mbm]: When did that change?
[05:54] <Sinbios> people has posted where it says "recognized blah and blah, assigned to /dev/ttyUSB0"
[05:54] <mjh73ca> Sinbios: guess not anymore :)
[05:54] <[mbm]> mjh73ca: changed as of rc2 .. S50dnsmasq handles the ranges
[05:55] <[mbm]> based on dhcp_start and dhcp_num
[05:55] <AzCowboy> the only line with dhcp-range is commented out.
[05:55] <mjh73ca> Ah....Okay....Does it automagically get the right network?
[05:55] <[mbm]> mjh73ca: yeah, calculated based on the lan settings
[05:55] <MacSlow> [mbm], how do I enter this "nvram show > /tmp/smth"?
[05:55] <mjh73ca> mbm: so it should be right then....
[05:55] <[mbm]> (we got sick of people complaining about dhcp set to 192.168.1.1 instead of the lan settings)
[05:56] <MacSlow> [mbm], I don't know what the needed "escape-sequences" are...
[05:56] <[mbm]> MacSlow: in the default firmware? you won't.
[05:56] <Sinbios> urk
[05:56] <MacSlow> ah... ok
[05:56] Action: Sinbios despairs
[05:56] <mjh73ca> AzCowboy: That is right then :) Guess I need to grab the new code
[05:56] <Sinbios> wait!
[05:56] <Sinbios> i can try it in windows ;)
[05:56] <AzCowboy> heh
[05:56] <Sinbios> hah, a problem which windows can solve but linux can't?!
[05:56] <[mbm]> AzCowboy: dhcp not working?
[05:57] <AzCowboy> No, mbm. And the comp can't access internet, either.... even with static IP, etc.
[05:57] <[mbm]> AzCowboy: do a "ps ax" .. is dnsmasq running?
[05:57] <AzCowboy> yes
[05:58] <[mbm]> and does it show any argumenets after dnsmasq?
[05:58] <AzCowboy> dnsmasq -l /tmp/dhcp.leases -K -F 192.168.1.100,192.168.1.150,255.255.255.0,12h
[05:59] <[mbm]> AzCowboy: ok, dhcp is running ... you should see what ips it gave out in /tmp/dhcp.leases
[06:00] <AzCowboy> empty
[06:00] <[mbm]> AzCowboy: seems nothing on your network has requested an ip since openwrt booted
[06:00] <bigslam2> hmm is there any eggdrop script for the wrt?
[06:00] <AzCowboy> Trying again, mbm.
[06:00] <mjh73ca> AzCowboy: Stupid question.....You have any link lights on the router?
[06:00] <AzCowboy> Yes.
[06:01] <AzCowboy> And it just times out while waiting for an address via DHCP.
[06:01] <AzCowboy> On wireless AND LAN
[06:01] <fuckTime> hey hey , an smart question
[06:02] <fuckTime> how many RAM memory has this units?
[06:02] <[mbm]> fuckTime: what model?
[06:02] <fuckTime> wrt54g
[06:02] <[mbm]> 16
[06:02] <fuckTime> i mean , not the flash memory
[06:02] <fuckTime> the ram memory
[06:02] <AzCowboy> 2.2 XH has 32.
[06:02] <AzCowboy> Others all had 16.
[06:02] <fuckTime> 16mb is the intel flash ?
[06:03] <fuckTime> or the broadcom memory ?
[06:03] <fuckTime> im a bit confused
[06:03] <AzCowboy> 4 meg flash, 16meg ram
[06:03] <fuckTime> AzCowboy: is that correct?
[06:04] <fuckTime> is the Hynix the ram memory ?
[06:04] <AzCowboy> I believe it is.
[06:04] <fuckTime> i need to confirm that..
[06:04] <AzCowboy> There was one 54G that had 32 meg ram... with only 16 active.
[06:04] <fuckTime> ok , ic.
[06:04] <fuckTime> so where does the jffs2 store the data?
[06:05] <[mbm]> flash
[06:05] <AzCowboy> Flash
[06:05] <bedtime> maybe it sounds like a dumb question
[06:05] <bedtime> but a bit sleepy
[06:05] <bedtime> * i am
[06:05] <AzCowboy> And still nothing in dhcp.leases.
[06:05] <[mbm]> sounds like someone is too lazy to read the docs :)
[06:05] <AzCowboy> Heh
[06:05] <bedtime> hehe
[06:05] <bedtime> lazy is nothing ;)
[06:06] <Semhirage> [mbm]: lo =D
[06:06] <[mbm]> AzCowboy: do you have your pc set to do a dhcp request?
[06:06] <AzCowboy> Yes, with an alternate manual configuration if that fails.
[06:06] Action: AzCowboy DOES know windows!
[06:06] <[mbm]> AzCowboy: and it's plugged into the lan port on the wrt?
[06:06] <AzCowboy> It's just Linux I suck at.
[06:06] <AzCowboy> Umm.. yes.
[06:07] <[mbm]> AzCowboy: hit repair
[06:07] <jsimpson> does the linksys firmware send anything to the serial port during bootup?
[06:07] <[mbm]> jsimpson: nothing interesting
[06:07] <jsimpson> nothing interesting or nothing at all? i'm trying to determine if my console cable works.
[06:08] <mjh73ca> jsimpson: Nothing interesting....It does show stuff
[06:08] <[mbm]> jsimpson: you'll see the linux bootup
[06:08] <jsimpson> [mbm]: 115200 8N1, right? 'cause i'm seeing nothing at the moment. :/
[06:09] <[mbm]> jsimpson: might be 9600 .. I can't remember (it should be written somewhere)
[06:09] <mjh73ca> jsimpson: yes.....I am connected to mine now at 115200
[06:09] <AzCowboy> hmmm... Ok, I re-did the IP settings on the wired connection... it's working, now, but the wireless connection is not getting an IP via dhcp, still.
[06:09] Action: AzCowboy scratches his head.
[06:10] <jsimpson> is something other than minicom recommended to talk to it?
[06:10] <mjh73ca> jsimpson: I have used minicom, right now HyperTerminal since I happened to be in windows
[06:10] <bigslam2> mbm
[06:11] <bigslam2> do u know how to add an sd to 4.0 hardware?
[06:11] <[mbm]> bigslam2: haven't seen a v4 yet
[06:11] <AzCowboy> So... DHCP is working on LAN, but not WLAN?
[06:12] <jsimpson> thanks, i must have something badly wired.
[06:14] <[mbm]> AzCowboy: your wireless use encryption?
[06:14] <AzCowboy> Yes.
[06:14] <AzCowboy> WPA-PSK, TKIP
[06:14] <[mbm]> AzCowboy: install nas
[06:15] <AzCowboy> ok, done.
[06:17] <[mbm]> either reboot or run /etc/init.d/S41wpa
[06:17] <AzCowboy> rebooting.
[06:17] <jsimpson> or, i just needed to restart minicom after saving my settings. it's working now. :)
[06:18] Action: z3ro wakes up.
[06:18] <AzCowboy> ok, it rebooted.
[06:18] <jsimpson> now i can try flashing rc2 onto it again and send provide some troubleshooting info to nbd.
[06:19] <AzCowboy> Hey, it worked!
[06:19] Action: AzCowboy jumps up and down.
[06:19] <mjh73ca> AzCowboy: Didn't I tell you that linux was user friendly :)
[06:19] <AzCowboy> Heh.
[06:19] <AzCowboy> DOH!
[06:19] <AzCowboy> That's the problem!
[06:20] <AzCowboy> No drugs!
[06:20] Action: AzCowboy snickers.
[06:28] <AzCowboy> The ipkg download/install of wiviz doesn't work.
[06:28] <zinx> really, just gets welfare then?
[06:29] <[mbm]> AzCowboy: yeah, we know.. the wiviz wasn't packaged right
[06:29] <dtm> [mbm]: hello
[06:29] <dtm> [mbm]: good day to you sir
[06:29] <dtm> [mbm]: i hope you're having a lovely one
[06:29] <[mbm]> ok...
[06:29] Action: AzCowboy sighs, and goes off to load/install by hand.
[06:30] <AzCowboy> I hope I can remember how I did it. *snicker*
[06:32] <Sinbios> mjh73ca: i found my problem
[06:32] <Sinbios> the cable i'm using has the cp2101 chip
[06:32] <mjh73ca> Sinbios: WHat was it?
[06:32] <Sinbios> which has just been released
[06:32] <mjh73ca> Sinbios: That would do it :)
[06:32] <Sinbios> and is in effect as of 2.6.12
[06:32] <Sinbios> debian, now, uses 2.6.10
[06:32] <Sinbios> or the apt rep does, anyway
[06:32] <Sinbios> so i guess i'm off to recompile
[06:34] <jsimpson> the first bad-looking message i see on the serial console after flashing rc2 onto my v1.0 wrt54gs is: mtd: partition "rootfs" doesn't start on an erase block boundary -- force read-only
[06:34] <jsimpson> is that normal?
[06:36] <mjh73ca> jsimpson: I seem to remember seeing that before. I would need to reboot to see for sure though
[06:36] <jsimpson> thanks. the next bad-looking message is: /sbin/mount_root: 24: nvram: not found
[06:37] <jsimpson> followed by several messages similar to: jffs2_scan_eraseblock(): Magic bitmask 0x1985 not found at 0x00160000: 0x1acc instead
[06:37] <mjh73ca> Don't recall seeing that one.....
[06:37] <jsimpson> and then the really bad stuff: umount: /rom/dev: Device or resource busy
[06:37] <jsimpson> and: Bummer, could not run '/etc/in
[06:38] <AzCowboy> Hey! wiviz works!
[06:39] <mjh73ca> root@development:/backup# md5sum chucks04056.QBB.QBW
[06:39] <mjh73ca> 104d7264276c0aa220ad2db89f51d906 chucks04056.QBB.QBW
[06:39] <mjh73ca> root@development:/backup# md5sum chucks04056.QBB.QBW
[06:39] <mjh73ca> a74c6cbd0068472c4d598a8d88bb9b00 chucks04056.QBB.QBW
[06:39] <mjh73ca> wtf????
[06:39] <jsimpson> i'm guessing that since the root dev is readonly, the symlinks pointing to the rom copy of nvram didn't get created. i'm not sure what the jffs2 error messages are about.
[06:39] <mjh73ca> How can the same file have 2 different md5sum a couple seconds apart when the file has not changed?
[06:40] <jsimpson> something else was writing to it?
[06:40] <mjh73ca> jsimpson: It is on a windows XP machine, not being accessed by anything except the OpenWRT that has it mounted using cifs.
[06:41] <mjh73ca> I started using jffs2 for my playing......
[06:41] <mjh73ca> Don't know if it is recommended, but it works for me
[06:41] <[mbm]> jsimpson: you're assumign way too much
[06:42] <jsimpson> [mbm]: probably. :) any ideas what's wrong?
[06:42] <[mbm]> jsimpson: nothing?
[06:43] <jsimpson> [mbm]: i can't ping the wrt.
[06:43] <[mbm]> use the serial to see what's wrong with the network
[06:46] <jsimpson> [mbm]: nothing shows from ifconfig. ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.1 fails with a "No such device" error. is there a module i need to load?
[06:49] <jsimpson> [mbm]: could i ask if you could take a look at the boot messages at http://gertie.slumberland.org/~jason/wrtboot.txt please?
[06:53] <[mbm]> jsimpson: try running firstboot
[06:54] <jsimpson> [mbm]: done. now rebooting.
[06:56] <jsimpson> [mbm]: seems to be working. eth1,br0,vlan1 set up, ping works, telnet works. anything else i should check right now? what do you suppose was going wrong?
[06:58] <[mbm]> jsimpson: for whatever reason firstboot didn't run automatically or it thought you already had a jffs2 partition
[07:00] <jsimpson> [mbm]: odd. this device did at one time have an old openwrt build on it, but had been flashed back to linksys firmware since. Thank you very much for your help.
[07:00] <[mbm]> jsimpson: that explains it .. the jffs2 partition won't get completely overwritten by the firmware
[07:01] <jsimpson> [mbm]: actually, before i put together the console cable, it was generally having other problems and continually resetting the switch hardware. it was much better behaved this time with the console.
[07:02] <jsimpson> [mbm]: Thanks again.
[07:29] <MacSlow> re
[07:29] <MacSlow> well...
[07:30] <MacSlow> I was able to flash rc2, but after running the firstboot script and afterwards power-cycling it I was a bit lost
[07:31] <MacSlow> I didn't know how to set the needed values in nvram in order to make OpenWRT connect to my isp
[07:31] <MacSlow> ISP
[07:31] <MacSlow> well I flashed back to the fw from LinkSys
[07:31] <bedtime[bed]> does your ISP give you a dhcp lease ?
[07:32] <bedtime[bed]> or you have static ip ?
[07:32] <bedtime[bed]> you on cablemodem or dsl ?
[07:32] <MacSlow> I also missed to open a few more openwrt-manual pages in browser-tabs :)
[07:32] <bedtime[bed]> well , nvm i g2 sleep
[07:32] <bedtime[bed]> bye
[07:32] <MacSlow> dsl
[07:32] <MacSlow> dynamic-ip
[07:32] <bedtime[bed]> MacSlow: dsl -> pppoe or pptp ?
[07:33] <MacSlow> pppoe
[07:33] <bedtime[bed]> its easy then
[07:33] <bedtime[bed]> read how to set up pppoe connection with openwrt
[07:33] <bedtime[bed]> i g2g now , bye
[07:33] <MacSlow> cu
[08:00] <thiesen> good morning ... where do I put stuff that I want to be executed after a successfull ifup.pppoe?
[08:08] <thiesen> and can anyone tell me what "ICMP NDISC: fake message with non-255 Hop Limit received: 254" means? Im trying to ping6 local network
[08:09] <morrow> somehow the neighbor discovery got routed
[08:13] <thiesen> morrow: and what to do against it? upgraded to rc2+cvs ... never had this problem before
[08:14] <morrow> sounds more like a bug, as NDISC never gets routed by nonbroken IPv6 stacks :)
[08:14] <morrow> are you using ipv6?
[09:19] <thiesen> morrow: so you tell me that it's just OpenWRT IPv6 stack that is broken?
[09:20] <pp_> I've had quite good luck with ipv6
[09:20] <pp_> don't use it very heavily
[09:20] <pp_> just aiccu and radvd
[09:20] <pp_> and whatever ipv6 client boxes decide to use automagically
[09:21] <thiesen> well ... I get this "ICMP NDISC: fake message with non-255 Hop Limit received: 254" when trying to ping local network ... remote network works ... and routing between the two doesn't work
[09:23] <thiesen> plus "ICMP redirect: target address is not linklocal"
[09:24] <morrow> and there seems to be the problem
[09:24] <morrow> something belivies it has to route this packets
[09:25] <morrow> how is your ipv6 configured on the device?
[09:27] <thiesen> morrow: which device? I just set an address to the br0 interface (my prefix + :1) and there is the sixxs tunnel device which is autoconfigured
[09:41] <tortoise> where can I get QoS stuff for rc2... I see tc available from ipkg already but I don't see wshaper.. I'm not tied to any solution yet, just thats all I found on google so far
[09:46] <fejed> wshaper is just a shell script
[09:46] <fejed> if you really wanted to use it (i don't think it's that great) you could download it
[09:46] <dtm> fejed: not that great? compared to what?
[09:47] <tortoise> what I want to do is pretty simple
[09:47] <morrow> thiesen: and the prefixlen is set correctly on all devices?
[09:48] <tortoise> I just want to prioritize my wired subnet 192.168.1.0/24 traffic above my wireless subnet's traffic 10.0.0.0/24
[09:48] <tortoise> how would I do that?
[09:48] <Stereo> then you should look at the linux advanced routing howto
[09:48] <fejed> dtm: yet to investigate, i'm told that there are better solutions
[09:49] <dtm> fejed: then what makes you say it's not that great?
[09:49] <dtm> fejed: it's the holy grail, as the author says.
[09:49] <dtm> holy grails are pretty darn good
[09:50] <dtm> :)
[09:50] <fejed> it is pretty darn good.
[09:50] <fejed> i agree :p
[09:50] <dtm> i have heard of improved versions, but i haven't seen
[09:50] <dtm> i'd like to see one
[09:52] <tortoise> what part of the advanced routing and traffic control howto should I be looking at for what I want to do
[09:52] <tortoise> the rate -limiting part?
[09:53] <fejed> if you read the whole thing, you might have a better unstanding.
[09:53] <tortoise> ya I don't have time to read the whole thing
[09:53] <thiesen> morrow: well... don't know ... never realy touched that
[09:53] <fejed> if you don't have time to read it, you probably won't get the result you want
[09:54] <tortoise> ya I should make sure to read athe ipsec and multicast routing and ipv6 tunnneling portions cause they are relevant to what I want
[09:54] <tortoise> you are totally wrong
[09:55] <fejed> i didn't say it was necessary.
[09:55] <fejed> if you're asking us what parts to read then expect us to make some sort of comment, don't lash back at us.
[09:55] <tortoise> sorry.. its just late
[09:56] <tortoise> I think I can get away with that rate limiting cookbook in that howto
[10:07] <sleon|tuX> is there an easy way to set standart quota for all users on the system?
[10:30] <mrverbose> i finally managed to speedup the adsl dial-in, for now the best i could do is have only 2 seconds of downtime :-)
[10:31] <mrverbose> during redial of course
[10:31] <mrverbose> so for those who get disconnected every somewhat hours (24 for me) this is really nice
[10:34] <Stereo> mrverbose: do they give you the same IP?
[10:36] <mrverbose> Stereo, they did before, however that seems to have changed
[10:37] <mrverbose> they did give me the same ip back, if redial was fast enough
[10:38] <mrverbose> but even with a downtime of 1s in the middle of the night i didnt get my old ip back, so it seems that someone changed the configuration on their side
[10:54] <sleon|tuX> i have set a groupqouta. when users do : qouta -g he does not see it, but sysadmin can see it with repqouta -guvsia why?
[10:54] <sleon|tuX> does it need some time to get updated?
[11:04] <odoc> nbd: ping
[11:05] <nbd> odoc: pong
[11:07] <odoc> looked at netgear jtag interface
[11:07] <odoc> one side of R73,R68,R67,R66
[11:07] <odoc> are vcc
[11:07] <odoc> seems that there should be pullup-resistors
[11:08] <odoc> not sure for R65 atm
[11:09] <nbd> and that means?
[11:09] <odoc> we need to solder pullup right there :)
[11:09] <nbd> hmm
[11:10] <odoc> you have tried with a cheap 4 resistor jtag cable ?
[11:10] <nbd> yes
[11:11] <odoc> will try with a wriggler compatible later today ... or tomorrow
[11:12] <nbd> ok
[11:12] <wigyori> odoc: hm, are you sure that you need to solder it to the pcb?
[11:13] <odoc> no i'm not :)
[11:13] <odoc> but it didn't work for nbd without them
[11:13] Action: wigyori wonders how much people have weller solder stations at home :)
[11:13] <wigyori> s/much/many/
[11:15] <odoc> i don't have one
[11:15] <odoc> mine is from ersa :)
[11:15] <wigyori> i got a cheap .cz solder pistol... it's good for soldering pins onto a pcb, but nothing more ;)
[11:16] <wigyori> btw, did anyone build that serial module for v1 hw?
[11:16] <nbd> not yet
[11:16] <nbd> but there are people working on this
[11:19] <z3ro> hmm, anyone know a nice way to make gcc output something that (can be processed so that) graphviz can make a flow-graph from it?
[11:41] <HelpGirl> Help to little Girl - www.helpgirl.lv/en - Help to little Girl
[11:43] Last message repeated 2 time(s).
[11:43] <telmich> aua
[11:47] <ralf> h1
[11:49] <nbd> h3y
[11:51] <ralf> nbd: i'm putting wshaper on the router
[11:51] <ralf> do you know it?
[11:51] <ralf> kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
[11:51] <ralf> sorrry
[11:51] <ralf> damn eyboard
[11:52] <ralf> keys remains pressed sometimes
[11:52] <ralf> i use shortcuts like Win+K to launchhhhheg. konsole
[11:52] <ralf> last time it launced 14 konsoles
[11:52] <ralf> i had to hard reset
[11:53] <morrow> because of 14 konsoles?
[11:53] <ralf> 14, but it was still launcing
[11:55] <nbd> never used wshaper
[11:58] <ralf> it seems to works
[11:58] <ralf> expecially when uploading
[12:08] <z3ro> I found an example of what I was looking for, a flow graph: http://rw4.cs.uni-sb.de/~sander/gif/cfgla.gif the stuff on that page is just a generic graphing package, like graphviz, afaik so I still need to figure out how to take the gcc/gprof files and make something like that...
[12:12] <ralf> nbd: how can I do mac filter with the wag?
[12:13] <nbd> mac filter whawt?
[12:13] <ralf> allow only a few MAC address to connect
[12:13] <nbd> to connect to what?
[12:13] <ralf> to the wireless
[12:14] <nbd> does the wireless driver work already?
[12:14] <ralf> no
[12:14] <nbd> well, when it works, there's probably a way to do that
[12:14] <ralf> mac filtering is done by arptables?
[12:15] <nbd> no, by the wireless driver
[12:15] <ralf> but arptables can also do it?
[12:17] <nbd> no idea
[12:17] <nbd> mac filtering doesn't give you more security anyway
[12:17] <ralf> i know
[12:17] <ralf> but if i have it i'll use
[12:18] <ralf> after i change something in the kernel config, how can I make the build process build again the kernel?
[12:18] <ralf> make clean in the kernel dir?
[12:18] <nbd> you change the config in target/linux/linux-2.4/config/ar7 and then run make target/linux-clean; make
[12:21] <ralf> scsi was enabled for usb drives?
[12:22] <nbd> yes
[12:28] <ralf> pppoatm isn't supported yet or i'm not finding it?
[12:33] <nettie> hey nbd, z3ro, how are you guys?
[12:34] <ralf> ciao nettie
[12:44] <z3ro> s/ '$//
[12:44] <olli_04> nbd: ping
[12:46] <nbd> olli_04: pong
[12:46] <nbd> hey nettie
[12:47] <olli_04> nbd: did you have a wl-500g and could you confirm that it has also connectors for a serial port? it's not on the TableOfHardware
[12:51] <nbd> olli_04: wl500g doesn't have serial
[12:51] <nbd> olli_04: you'd need to hook up an uart
[12:51] <nbd> it cas connectors for that
[12:52] <olli_04> nbd: you have a link where i could find diagram to get a serial port for that?
[12:54] <nbd> no. the some people already tried to make it work, but they haven't succeeded yet
[13:05] <olli_04> nbd: i think i found a dual serial port mod for the wl-500g --> http://wl500g.info/showthread.php?t=587
[13:08] <nbd> olli_04: oh, right, that's the one
[13:08] <nbd> olli_04: like i said: needs an uart
[13:08] <ralf> great. compilation error
[13:08] <olli_04> nbd: you know if that one is working?
[13:09] <nbd> well, the guy who posted it got it working, i guess
[13:09] <nbd> but i don't know if anyone else could replicate this
[13:09] <ralf> why sometimes the sangam driver fails to compile?
[13:09] <olli_04> nbd: did you use usb-serial for that?
[13:11] <nbd> olli_04: no, you need to connect a serial controller (uart) to the wl500g
[13:11] <nbd> i haven't got serial on my wl500g
[13:11] <olli_04> nbd: ok, thanks
[13:11] <nbd> ralf: no idea
[13:11] <ralf> maybe i've found
[13:11] <ralf> wait
[13:12] <ralf> fixed
[13:12] <ralf> nbd: in tn7dsl.c:
[13:13] <ralf> #include <asm/uaccess.h>
[13:19] <ralf> nbd: a function that has to be linked from another module shouldn't be 'external'?
[13:19] <olli_04> nbd: what you think: is the 125 MHz cpu on the wl-500g enough for running this unit as a printer server with cups?
[13:19] <nbd> ralf: i don't know what you're talking about
[13:19] <nbd> olli_04: sure
[13:19] <ralf> in the kernel
[13:20] <nbd> ?
[13:20] <ralf> if module A has a_init()
[13:20] <ralf> and module B needs a_init()
[13:20] <ralf> in a.c a_init() should be external?
[13:20] <nbd> no
[13:20] <nbd> 'extern' means 'not here'
[13:21] <ralf> ah
[13:21] <ralf> so B should include a header sayng
[13:21] <olli_04> nbd: does cups in openwrt support ipp protocol?
[13:21] <ralf> a_init not here?
[13:21] <nbd> olli_04: i think
[13:21] <olli_04> nbd: you can compile it in if not, right?
[13:22] <nbd> right
[13:22] <nbd> but it should have ipp
[13:28] <olli_04> nbd: just orderd. maybe i don't really need a serial console on it. boot_wait=on be default should be enough
[13:29] <nbd> i didn't need one
[13:40] <ralf> nbd: splitting an header in two parts fix the compilation
[13:40] <nbd> which header?
[13:40] <ralf> dsl_hal_support.h
[13:44] <nbd> what's the problem with it?
[13:48] <ralf> it doesn't compile
[13:48] <ralf> the problem is that there are many functions
[13:48] <ralf> function headers
[13:48] <ralf> and some .c files has the func bidy
[13:48] <ralf> body
[13:49] <nbd> where's the problem?
[13:49] <ralf> if i don't include the file i get XXX was declared implicut...
[13:49] <ralf> if i include the file I get XXX was redefined
[13:49] <nbd> that's not a function body problem
[13:52] <ralf> nbd: the driver ever compiles for you?
[13:53] <nbd> yes
[13:53] <nbd> it did a while ago
[13:53] <nbd> i will test it again today
[13:54] <ralf> also include the asm file i pasted above
[13:54] Action: nbd powers up his build machine
[13:55] <ralf> nbd: include also <linux/file.h>
[13:55] <ralf> it is needed for fput from tn7dsl.c
[13:55] <ralf> what is your build machine? amd64?
[13:59] <nbd> yes
[14:01] <ralf> also, the include <asm/ar7/ledapp.h>
[14:01] <ralf> should be shifted up
[14:04] <nbd> ralf: building now
[14:14] <Semhirage> thats interesting, disconnected from wrt in the middle of the night and now its rsa fingerprint is changed
[14:17] <atari> can anyone tell me why my resolv.conf after every reboot is gone?
[14:18] <morrow> because it is linked to /tmp in the default install.
[14:18] <atari> i created the file manually
[14:18] <morrow> yes and still is is linked to /tmp :)
[14:18] <olli_04> and gets created/overwritten from nvram
[14:18] <atari> huh?
[14:19] <atari> ah!
[14:19] <atari> thx for the tip... ls -all show it...
[14:20] <nbd> ralf: compiling the kernel now
[14:21] <olli_04> nbd: just compiling head with samba
[14:24] <nbd> ralf: dsl driver compile went through just fine
[14:25] <nbd> ralf: can't reproduce your problem
[14:26] <nbd> ralf: did you change anything or did you just run a normal ar7 compile?
[14:29] <Mister_X]> OpenWRT works on WRT54G v3.1?
[14:30] <nbd> Mister_X]: should work
[14:31] <Mister_X]> it's same hardware as 2.2 and 3.0
[14:31] <Mister_X]> (nearly sure)
[14:34] <nbd> then try it
[14:37] <ralf> came back
[14:37] <ralf> nbd: i changed the config
[14:39] <nbd> ralf: don't compile it into the kernel
[14:39] <ralf> no
[14:39] <nbd> hey coder
[14:39] <ralf> i leave it as module
[14:39] <nbd> ralf: so what did you change?
[14:39] <ralf> ipv6 static, pppoa and atm static
[14:39] <ralf> you want the cfg?
[14:40] <Feh> anyone got nstxd to work on openwrt?
[14:41] <nbd> ralf: leave the atm stuff as module
[14:41] <ralf> nbd: however now compiles
[14:41] <ralf> this driver is a mess
[14:42] <olli_04> Feh: never heard about nstxd, what's the url for that?
[14:42] <ralf> nbd: the error wasn't in the atm apis
[14:42] <ralf> it was in dsl_hal_fuck_it
[14:43] <nbd> ralf: you're right, this driver is a mess
[14:43] <nbd> ralf: but it works with our configuration
[14:43] <nbd> ralf: well, at least compiles
[14:43] <ralf> build finished
[14:43] <Feh> olli_04: http://nstx.dereference.de/nstx/
[14:43] <nbd> ralf: still a problem in the atm subsys, that i need to work out
[14:43] <ralf> only a stupid ipkg error, it can't find crypt.o
[14:43] <Feh> olli_04: a connection-through-dns-router
[14:45] <ralf> nbd: what problem?
[14:46] <SeRi> ahhhhh is good to be back!!!!! G/M
[14:47] <olli_04> Feh: did you use the one from http://tracker.openwrt.org/packages/show.php?id=1342
[14:47] <Feh> eh, no.
[14:47] <Feh> the one form http://openwrt.alphacore.net/
[14:47] <Feh> but I'll try this one..
[14:48] <olli_04> Feh: that's the one on the tracker page
[14:49] <olli_04> Feh: ask the maintainer for that package: Florian Fainelli <florian@alphacore.net>
[14:49] <Feh> okay, thanks... just if anyone's interested: http://42.vg/75140
[14:50] <olli_04> Feh: did you installed kmod-tun package?
[14:50] <Feh> no
[14:51] <olli_04> try it and load the module
[14:51] <D_Web> I'm trying to allow traffic between two VLAN's, using iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT works, but [mbm] advises against it
[14:51] <D_Web> I'm trying with a FORWARD rule but it isn't working
[14:52] <D_Web> actually looks like I may have got it
[14:52] <Feh> olli_04: ahh! thanks!
[14:53] <Feh> olli_04: I installed the kmod and inserted the module
[14:53] <olli_04> Feh: and than it working?
[14:54] <D_Web> also, is there a netstat command that works?
[14:54] <ralf> how the following line works?
[14:54] <D_Web> netstat: no support for `AF INET6 (tcp)' on this system.
[14:54] <D_Web> etc
[14:54] <ralf> $(eval $(call KMOD_template,CRYPTO,crypto,\
[14:54] <ralf> $(MODULES_DIR)/kernel/crypto/*.o \
[14:54] <ralf> ))
[14:55] <ralf> if there is CRYPTO in the cfg, do what?
[14:57] <ralf> KMOD_template assumes that if the option isn't defined it is 'm'
[14:57] <nbd> ralf: right
[14:58] <ralf> so #CRYPTO is not set for me
[14:58] <ralf> and it doesn't find the modules
[14:58] <ralf> and build fails
[14:58] <nbd> right
[14:58] <nbd> so we need to add the depend option for that
[14:58] <nbd> i fixed the linux-atm build
[14:58] <ralf> fixed?
[14:58] <D_Web> hrmm
[14:58] <ralf> what was the problem?
[14:59] <nbd> nico changed some stuff in it
[14:59] <nbd> didn't seem like he tested it at all
[14:59] <D_Web> if I want to only allow specific ports between each vlan, should I still have the forwarding rules in place?
[14:59] <nbd> ralf: ok. full rebuild done
[14:59] <nbd> ralf: with default config
[15:00] <ralf> default config builds
[15:00] <ralf> mine didn't
[15:00] <ralf> but now i have split a header in two parts
[15:00] <ralf> and it build
[15:00] <ralf> also i had to include some files from include/linux
[15:00] <nbd> this is weird
[15:01] <ralf> really
[15:02] <ralf> not _so_ weird
[15:02] <ralf> in dsl_support.c there are two functions body
[15:02] <ralf> that are defined in support.h
[15:02] <ralf> not
[15:03] <ralf> in tn7dsl.c
[15:03] <ralf> wasn't included support.h
[15:04] <ralf> and this gives warnings
[15:04] <ralf> but if I include it it gives an error
[15:04] <ralf> and the build fails
[15:04] <ralf> si i created support2.h
[15:04] <ralf> and include only that
[15:04] <ralf> dslhal_support_getCMsgsRa
[15:04] <ralf> dslhal_support_byteSwap32
[15:05] <ralf> those 2 functions was needed by tn7dsl.c
[15:05] <ralf> other functions in support.h canot be declared
[15:05] <ralf> nbd: got it?
[15:06] <ralf> also, i had to include:
[15:06] <ralf> #include <asm/uaccess.h>
[15:06] <ralf> #include <linux/file.h>
[15:06] <ralf> because it needs get_fs and KERNEL_DS
[15:07] <nbd> ralf: i will have a look at it and upload a new patch that you can test
[15:08] <ralf> nbd: do you want my cfg?
[15:08] <ralf> so you can try it
[15:08] <ralf> my 'build machine' is a p3 600 celeron, 96MB ram
[15:08] <nbd> wait a sec. i'll have a look at it first
[15:09] <nbd> ralf: have you figured out why the other functions cannot be declared?
[15:10] <ralf> yes
[15:10] <ralf> they aren't external
[15:10] <ralf> and there are some bodies in tn7dsl.c
[15:10] <ralf> so including it will give:
[15:10] <ralf> XXX was redeclared
[15:11] <nbd> but why does it work on my machine?
[15:11] <nbd> there has to be some difference
[15:11] <ralf> ye
[15:12] <ralf> it works for me, with the default config
[15:12] <ralf> but not with mine
[15:12] <ralf> but you know, that a config change is not allowed to fuck up the build process
[15:12] <ralf> tn7dsl.c:385: error: conflicting types for 'shim_osLoadFWImage'
[15:12] <ralf> dsl_hal_support.h:51: error: previous declaration of 'shim_osLoadFWImage' was here
[15:13] <ralf> this if you include dsl_hal_support.h
[15:13] <nbd> i know that it should not fuck up the build process
[15:13] <nbd> that's why i figure out what makes the difference here
[15:13] <ralf> my config?
[15:14] <nbd> what part of it
[15:14] <nbd> why it changes a part of how the stuff is built
[15:14] <nbd> it isn't supposed to
[15:14] <ralf> n
[15:14] <ralf> y
[15:14] <ralf> a
[15:14] <ralf> sa
[15:16] <ralf> had problems with keyboard again
[15:16] <ralf> there could be some cpp directives, #IFSUCK TIDSL, etc..
[15:16] <nbd> i'm currently preparing some kernel trees for diffing
[15:17] <ralf> wow
[15:17] <ralf> i found the error
[15:17] <ralf> usnigned char vs char
[15:17] <ralf> what a lame..
[15:17] <ralf> shame on TI
[15:18] <ralf> $ grep shim_osLoadFWImage tn7dsl.c dsl_hal_support.h
[15:18] <ralf> tn7dsl.c:int shim_osLoadFWImage(char *ptr)
[15:18] <ralf> dsl_hal_support.h:extern int shim_osLoadFWImage(unsigned char *firmwareImage);
[15:18] <ralf> same error for other 3 functions
[15:19] <ralf> shim_osLoadDebugFWImage
[15:19] <ralf> shim_osClockTick
[15:21] <nbd> any other functions?
[15:21] <nbd> only these three?
[15:22] <ralf> only these
[15:22] <nbd> ok
[15:22] <nbd> will build a new patch
[15:22] <ralf> no, what's the correct signedness?
[15:22] <ralf> if it is a firmware i guess unsigned
[15:22] <nbd> i don't think it matters
[15:22] <nbd> i chose unsigned now
[15:23] <ralf> now, how can I restore my original kernel tree without having to reextract the whole tree?
[15:23] <ralf> damn, i can't
[15:24] <nbd> can you send me your kernel config now
[15:25] <ralf> are you firewalled?
[15:25] <nbd> no
[15:25] <nbd> at least dcc works
[15:26] <ralf> nbd: nc -lp 9876 >config-ralf
[15:26] <ralf> i'm firewalled atm
[15:27] <nbd> you could use a pastebin
[15:27] <D_Web> anyone using the bandwidth graph ported from m0n0wall?
[15:27] <nbd> would probably be easier
[15:27] <ralf> pastebins will add line numbers
[15:28] <ralf> http://rafb.net/paste/results/1njAXQ27.html
[15:29] <nbd> ok
[15:29] <nbd> trying to compile now
[15:30] <ralf> you see, there is nothing too strange in my cfg
[15:31] <nbd> haven't looked at it yet :)
[15:33] <ralf> df
[15:33] <ralf> d
[15:33] <ralf> stupid keyboard..
[15:34] <ralf> the problem isn't with the keyboard, but with the mobo
[15:34] <ralf> stupid mobo...
[15:36] <ralf> z3ro: h3y
[15:36] <ralf> z3ro: are you working at printk stuff?
[15:36] <ralf> i readed it in the wiki
[15:39] <olistudent> Hi. My compilation stops at linux-atm-2.4.1 with the error "aclocal-1.4" is needed? automake 1.8 is installed...
[15:40] <ralf> olistudent: install 1.4
[15:41] <makefile> yes?
[15:41] <olistudent> ralf: okay, I try.
[15:43] <makefile> openwrt runs on netgear wgr614?
[15:46] <nbd> ralf: almost ready
[15:47] <ralf> it compiles?
[15:47] <nbd> yes. i'm trying to make your config work for a full build
[15:47] <nbd> (including the kmod stuff)
[15:48] <ralf> crypto?
[15:48] <nbd> ralf: crypto and sched
[15:48] <ralf> why openwrt uses devfs?
[15:48] <nbd> ralf: why not?
[15:48] <ralf> it's deprecated
[15:48] <ralf> and obsolete
[15:49] <nbd> in 2.6 yes
[15:49] <nbd> but it's better for embedded stuff
[15:49] <ralf> i use udev on a arm pda
[15:49] <nbd> well... afaik udev doesn't work with 2.4 properly
[15:49] <ralf> not
[15:49] <ralf> it needs /sys
[15:50] <nbd> so i guess devfs is our only choice here :)
[15:50] <ralf> we could use a static /dev
[15:50] <ralf> # find /dev |wc -l
[15:50] <ralf> 298
[15:50] <ralf> only 298 devices on the wrt
[15:51] <nbd> that would massively bloat the filesystem
[15:51] <ralf> how is the squashfs block size?
[15:52] <nbd> doesn't matter, static /dev is not going to happen
[15:52] <nbd> it just doesn't make sense
[15:52] <nbd> i think squashfs uses 64k blocks
[15:52] <ralf> w00t
[15:53] <pp_> you could probably do something udevish on 2.4
[15:53] <ralf> # find /dev/pty |wc -l
[15:53] <ralf> 257
[15:53] <pp_> it's not like there's an infinite number of hardware people connect to wrt's
[15:53] <atari> how can i check the files in a ipkg file?
[15:53] <pp_> probably not the effort tho since devfs works
[15:53] <ralf> nbd: 298-257: only 41 devices in /dev
[15:53] <ralf> /dev/pty isn't another virtual filesystem?
[15:54] <nbd> ralf: pty is another virtual filesystem, yes
[15:54] <ralf> or it was pts?
[15:54] <nbd> ralf: why would anyone want a static /dev rather than devfs?
[15:55] <nbd> /dev/pts, yes
[15:55] <ralf> isn't devfs buggy?
[15:55] <ralf> and unmaintained
[15:55] <nbd> ralf: it was maintained in 2.4
[15:55] <pp_> it has some design problems sure
[15:55] <nbd> ralf: and some functionality was ripped out in 2.6
[15:56] <pp_> but it works in 2.4 for the use openwrt uses it for
[15:56] <ralf> ok
[15:57] <nbd> ralf: btw. i think static /dev is even more deprecated than devfs :)
[15:57] <nbd> ralf: fixes are in cvs now
[15:57] <ralf> cvs update -Pd
[15:57] <ralf> ?
[15:57] <nbd> yes
[16:00] <atari> can i use iptables on openwrt like on every other linux box?
[16:01] <jhaune> atari: yes
[16:01] <atari> hm...
[16:01] <pp_> there's always ndevfs :-)
[16:01] <ralf> lol
[16:02] <ralf> i wrote the devfsd applet for busybox years ago
[16:04] <ralf> config/ar7:374: *** missing separator. Stop.
[16:04] <nbd> you got a conflict
[16:05] <ralf> my config was messed up
[16:05] <nbd> cvs messed up your config
[16:05] <ralf> CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_DSCP=m
[16:05] <ralf> <<<<<<< ar7
[16:05] <ralf> CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_MARK=m
[16:05] <ralf> what is the <<<<< line?
[16:05] <nbd> cvs stuff
[16:05] <ralf> oh, good!
[16:05] <nbd> remove the config file, do an update, copy back your old config file
[16:06] <ralf> how can I know what is messed up now?
[16:06] <nbd> if you do cvs update -Pd 2>&1 | less, look for C
[16:11] <ralf> nbd: build error
[16:11] <ralf> did you included <linux/file.h?>
[16:11] <nbd> ralf: yes
[16:12] <nbd> ralf: the build ran through for me with your config
[16:12] <nbd> ralf: did you delete your old kernel dir?
[16:12] <ralf> noooo
[16:12] <ralf> another 2 hour build?
[16:13] <ralf> rebuilding..
[16:18] <olistudent> ralf: thanks, linux-atm-2.4.1 went through. very difficult thing with this automake...
[16:26] <ralf> nbd: pppoatm plugin for pppd was disabled by default?
[16:30] <ralf> the dnsmasq initfile fails if udhcpc is not installed
[16:30] <ralf> # check for existing DHCP server
[16:30] <ralf> udhcpc -n -q -R -s /bin/true -i $ifname
[16:30] <ralf> why not `ps ax | fgrep -q dhcp`?
[16:39] <z3ro> yay for buggy hardware...
[16:40] <z3ro> full hang right in the middle of doing a lot of things is not fun. :(
[16:49] <ralf> nbd: the kernel compiles
[16:52] <nbd> ralf: why not ps ax? because it does not check for a local dhcp server
[16:52] <ralf> and now? without the client dnsmasq didn't start
[16:53] <nbd> ralf: the udhcpc line is used to see if there's another dhcp server on the network
[16:53] <ralf> but it could handle the case that the client isn't available
[16:53] <nbd> client isn't available?
[16:53] <ralf> installed
[16:54] <ralf> not in $PATH
[16:54] <nbd> it's part of busybox
[16:54] <meistaiwan> anybody know how to find the version of the wrt through nvram variables? i've got about 30 of them all over the place and trying to remotely figure out the version
[16:54] <ralf> well, i disabled it
[16:54] <nbd> why?
[16:55] <ralf> because i haven't a dhcp server
[16:55] <ralf> i use static IPs
[16:55] <ralf> mm
[16:55] <ralf> it is needed by adsl tougth
[16:55] <nbd> don't expect everything to work if you overcustomize your stuff
[16:56] <ralf> with ppp i get an IP from the ppp server, or i need udhclient?
[16:57] <meistaiwan> is there an nvram variable that can be decoded to find the hardware version?
[17:35] <lllegal> anything I should know before going OpenWRT with version 3.1 ?
[17:37] <nbd> it should work
[17:55] <vnb> I have some problems with my nas config ( I want to use WPA 2 - PSK with my wrtgs on WhiteRussian RC2)
[17:55] <vnb> my config is :
[17:55] <vnb> ./usr/sbin/nas -P /tmp/nas.lan.pid -H 34954 -i eth1 -A -m 128 -k xxxxxx -s pouet -w 4 -g 3600
[17:56] <vnb> I have separated the wifi and lan if
[17:56] <vnb> So I remove the -l paramater
[17:56] <vnb> but it doesn't work :\
[17:57] <nbd> are you sure that your computer supports wpa2?
[17:58] <vnb> yeah my laptop it's on windows xp sp2
[17:58] <nbd> and you're sure that your wlan card supports it as well?
[17:59] <nbd> someone told me that on some computers windows xp only thinks that it can support wpa2, but in reality it can't
[18:00] <vnb> I will check now
[18:01] <vnb> Intel® PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection (Dual mode 802.11b/g)
[18:01] <vnb> Wi-Fi CERTIFIED* for single band, 2.4 GHz band, and Wi-Fi Protected Access (WPA)
[18:01] <vnb> :)
[18:02] <vnb> So it's seems it will be WPA
[18:02] <vnb> but not wpa2 :(
[18:04] <morrow> vnb: you could use -m 132 to have both version running. :)
[18:05] <noxlux> 2200BG works with wpa2 at least with the intel util
[18:06] <noxlux> (xpsp2)
[18:08] <ralf> nbd: i have an idea for the aiccu stuff
[18:08] <ralf> run it as follows:
[18:08] <ralf> ( ntpclient -c 1 -s -h europe.pool.ntp.org ; aiccu start ) &
[18:08] <nbd> still bad
[18:08] <ralf> why?
[18:08] <nbd> i don't want to hardcode a specific time sync program in the aiccu script
[18:08] <ralf> but aiccu require at least a sync program
[18:09] <ralf> ( $NTPCMD ; aiccu start ) &
[18:09] <nbd> i have a different idea
[18:09] <nbd> need to discuss it with the other devs though
[18:09] <nbd> that would simplify the whole process
[18:09] <ralf> say
[18:10] <nbd> a separate directory with startup scripts that require connectivity
[18:10] <nbd> if the connect method is static or dhcp, then ifup will run it, if the connect method is dhcp, then pppd ip-up will run it
[18:11] <nbd> but i'm not sure about that yet
[18:11] <nbd> just an idea
[18:12] <vnb> morrow yeah with -m 132 it works
[18:12] <vnb> but still with -m 128 and xppsp2 nothing
[18:12] <ralf> temporarly we could start aiccu that way
[18:13] <ralf> without synced clock aiccu will start
[18:13] <ralf> then wait for the server get an error
[18:13] <ralf> then quit
[18:13] <ralf> it only delays the boot process
[18:14] <nbd> my idea wouldn't delay the boot process
[18:14] <nbd> because this process can be run in background
[18:15] <ralf> in the debian ML there are talking about services dependancies
[18:21] <solex> Hi. I have a problem on the client side after upgrading to whiterussian rc2 yesterday
[18:21] <nbd> what kind of problem?
[18:21] <solex> It's the well known "timeout waiting for mgmt response" error with a prism54PCMCIA card
[18:21] <nbd> i don't know this error
[18:22] <solex> unitl yesterday, it happened only very infrequently
[18:22] <solex> but today it already happened four times, I had to reboot twice
[18:22] <solex> of course, I am not sure whether it really has sth to do with openwrt.
[18:23] <solex> I thought I'd just ask if anyone has the same behaviour.
[18:23] <nbd> i don't own any prism stuff so i can't help you
[18:23] <solex> nbd: Do you have a prism54 card?
[18:23] <nbd> see above :)
[18:24] <solex> D'ouh
[18:24] <nbd> maybe i should buy one and put it in my wl500g :)
[18:24] <solex> nbd: you can't get them anymore (except used ones)
[18:25] <solex> Maybe it happens only because it has gotten quite hot
[18:29] <ralf> nbd: the problem will not solved either
[18:29] <nbd> ralf: why not?
[18:30] <ralf> we have a service that depends on another one
[18:30] <nbd> right
[18:30] <ralf> even if ifup will call it
[18:30] <nbd> so we take out the & after ntpclient
[18:30] <nbd> and make aiccu run after it
[18:30] <ralf> we must call ntpclient then aiccu
[18:30] <ralf> that is really slow
[18:30] <ralf> ntpclient and aiccu are the slowest services to start
[18:31] <ralf> both together will delay the boot a lot
[18:31] <ralf> (ntp ; aiccu) & will start without delay
[18:31] <ralf> or better
[18:31] <nbd> no, they won't
[18:31] <ralf> (ntp && aiccu)
[18:31] <ralf> if ntp fails, no aiccu at all
[18:32] <nbd> why would my solution delay the boot?
[18:32] <ralf> because ntp and aiccu will be called wothout &
[18:32] <nbd> the thing running ntp and aiccu will have a &
[18:33] <ralf> btw, what makefile creates the link /etc/resolv.conf /tmp/resolv.conf and why?
[18:33] <ralf> "running ntp and aiccu" ?
[18:33] <ralf> isn't this what i was doing?
[18:33] <nbd> no
[18:33] <nbd> you suggest putting ntp stuff in the aiccu script
[18:33] <nbd> i suggest adding a separate ip-up.d dir
[18:34] <nbd> and the script running this dir will have a &
[18:34] <nbd> understand?
[18:34] <ralf> mm, ok
[18:35] <ralf> the script will named like: networking?
[18:35] <nbd> no idea
[18:35] <nbd> i'm not even sure yet whether i want to do this at all
[18:35] <nbd> it was just an idea
[18:35] <ralf> heh, we should put initng on the wrt :P
[18:36] <nbd> no. our scripts should be simple
[18:36] <ralf> sure
[18:36] <nbd> and how would initng help?
[18:36] <ralf> i was joking
[18:36] <nbd> :)
[18:36] <ralf> initng has dependencies
[18:37] <nbd> how will dependencies help here?
[18:37] <ralf> aiccu depends on ntcplient and net
[18:37] <ralf> ntcplient depends on net
[18:37] <nbd> will it start things in parallel?
[18:37] <ralf> yes
[18:38] <nbd> but it will probably not run on ash anyway :)
[18:38] <ralf> mm
[18:38] <ralf> it doesn't need a shell
[18:38] <nbd> it's a binary?
[18:38] <ralf> it runs programs reading .i files
[18:38] <ralf> yes
[18:38] <ralf> service daemon/sshd {
[18:38] <ralf> need = system/initial system/mountfs system/hostname net/lo virtual/networking
[18:38] <ralf> daemon = /usr/sbin/sshd
[18:38] <ralf> daemon_args = -D
[18:38] <ralf> # pid_file = /var/run/sshd.pid
[18:38] <nbd> how well does it work?
[18:38] <ralf> }
[18:39] <ralf> it works very well
[18:39] <ralf> i use it on 2 pc
[18:39] <nbd> how big is the binary?
[18:39] <ralf> 13K 2005-08-15 16:35 /sbin/initng
[18:39] <nbd> hmm
[18:39] <nbd> might be a thing for cvs head
[18:39] <ralf> it depends on libinitng.so
[18:39] <nbd> oh
[18:40] <nbd> how bit is that one?
[18:40] <ralf> 67K 2005-08-15 16:35 /lib/libinitng.so.0.0.0
[18:40] <ralf> not so big
[18:40] <nbd> can it restart services?
[18:40] <ralf> yes
[18:40] <ralf> if they die
[18:41] <nbd> we could probably make it even smaller than that
[18:41] <ralf> sure
[18:41] <ralf> it is not suitable for a real distro because
[18:42] <ralf> all initscripts have to be written
[18:42] <ralf> but for a router there are only a few
[18:42] <ralf> there is a main runleve
[18:42] <ralf> l
[18:42] <ralf> with all needed services
[18:42] <nbd> we could even keep it compatible to the old init scripts
[18:42] <nbd> just leave the old dir in and run all the scripts in there at the end
[18:43] <ralf> it boots in 18 secs on my athlonxp 1400
[18:43] <nbd> nice
[18:46] <ralf> http://initng.thinktux.net/index.php/Boot_charts_Official
[18:50] <z3ro> hmm, nice boot graphs - does initng generate them?
[18:57] <holst> i would hope not :P
[18:57] <holst> rather some dataformat that a postprocessor can use to generate the png graphics
[18:58] <z3ro> heh, yeah, that makes sense. :p
[18:58] <z3ro> I just saw, it's bootchartd that does it.
[19:00] <ralf> yes, bootchartd
[19:01] <ralf> on my debian/sid system it works fine
[19:01] <ralf> the cool thing is that it doesn't overwrite sysv files
[19:01] <ralf> and i can swith to the old behaviour removing init=/sbin/initng from grub cmdline
[19:02] <z3ro> i'm just looking at it since it might be a nice debug tool for when I get to finishing the "basically gentoo's init script's ideas, but designed to be nice and small so it could run on a router" thing I'm working on.
[19:04] <cammox> hey folks
[19:04] <cammox> does anyone have experience with the TomTom Go thingies?
[19:05] <ralf> z3ro: the really good thing is that it restarts services
[19:05] <ralf> let's say that dhcpd dies
[19:05] <ralf> who want a router without dhcp server with 10 dinamic ip pc net?
[19:06] <ralf> you will need to restart the router
[19:06] <ralf> or worse, ssh die
[19:06] <ralf> you have to hard reset
[19:06] <ralf> or worse, call someone that does it for you :P
[19:06] <z3ro> actually, I was refering to bootchartd as the debugging tool (check parallel things work fine, they are annoying to debug) - but initng would probably be nice too. :)
[19:07] <lucaferr> where does output from "logger" commands end up.. I'm trying to debug a nonfuncitonal ipsec tunnel and I can't see how to tap in to the logger output..
[19:13] <Wonka> can anyone tell me what's the big difference between cramfs und squashfs?
[19:17] <jhaune> lucaferr: tried 'logread' already?
[19:18] <lucaferr> jhaune: nope, didn't know about it :) thanks
[19:31] <tortoise> anyone know if there is a package containing the ipt_CLASSIFY module?
[19:36] <ralf> why package/ppp/patches/202-no_atm.patch?
[19:42] <ralf> z3ro: do you suggest me to use a jffs2 rootfs to play with the wrt?
[19:43] <z3ro> ralf: well, a writable rootfs is better than read only, if your doing user-space stuff.
[19:44] <ralf> there are some risks?
[19:45] <z3ro> ralf: sure, you can kill a system with rm -rf / but other than that, it's just like any linux with a writable rootfs.
[19:46] <ralf> since i'm tryng to help developers jffs2 could be better, right?
[19:46] <z3ro> yes
[19:48] <ralf> i have pppoatm in the kernel, pppd and pppoatm.so
[19:49] <ralf> i'll try to use the adsl
[19:49] <z3ro> okay
[19:55] <coder> Wonka : better compression
[20:03] <Kralle_> short question: is the wrt54G-D2 compatible with the 'normal' wrt54G ?
[20:05] <nbd> D2?
[20:05] <nbd> you mean DE, right?
[20:05] <Kralle_> second
[20:06] <Kralle_> odellnummer: WRT54G-D2-DE
[20:06] <nbd> Kralle_: what version?
[20:06] <Kralle_> with wpa2 and so on
[20:08] <Kralle_> i haven't ordered them now.. it seems that they are the sctual version of the normal wrt54G.. but i just want to get sure before i buy 4 of them :)
[20:08] <nbd> i'm pretty sure they are
[20:09] <Kralle_> i'm too.. i just wanted to get a second opinion
[20:10] <nbd> you will probably get v4 units. these are not supported by rc2, but i have a snapshot online that should be stable and works on the new versions
[20:10] <tojoe> iirc the last wrt54's i've ordered have been called -d2 as well, have been hw rev. 3.1 units
[20:12] <Kralle_> ok.. i alrfeady have 9 on them installed.. that will be number 10-13 ..
[20:12] <Kralle_> :)
[20:13] <Kralle_> and only one at home :)
[20:13] <J4k3> yay for putting trash in the air.
[20:14] Action: J4k3 really wishes people would figure out 'broadcom radio = worthless radio'
[20:14] <J4k3> hell, these days you pay a PREMIUM for that shit radio.
[20:14] <nbd> obviously people have figured out 'broadcom radio = enough for most users'
[20:15] <J4k3> nbd: no, most people think "OH ITS BETTER THAN ANYTHING ELSE, 9x MORE POWER!"
[20:15] <J4k3> when the absolute worst atheros implimentation kicks its arse.
[20:15] <jhaune> that's taken from a sticker on the box, eh?
[20:15] <nbd> J4k3: hmm... maybe you're right about that one :)
[20:15] <J4k3> jhaune: no, they hit sveasoft's website once.
[20:15] <J4k3> and take their absolute bullshit to heart.
[20:15] <jhaune> i see
[20:17] <nbd> J4k3: do you know any cheap ar531x routers?
[20:17] <J4k3> speaking of awful atheros implimentations... this DWL-G650 sitting x-pol from my tower actually gets more throughput than the internal broadcom adapter in this laptop with an elaborate antenna behind the LCD (thats designed to be vpol)
[20:18] <J4k3> nbd: is that the DI-624's chipset?
[20:18] <J4k3> those things are always popping up for $25
[20:18] <nbd> that's the atheros soc
[20:18] <nbd> don't know where they put it in
[20:19] <J4k3> ah, I've got a stack of DWL-2100AP atheros-based access points
[20:19] <J4k3> they run a very hands-tied copy of vxworks, including telnet.
[20:19] <J4k3> unluckily all the stuff you really want to play with in vxworks isn't available.
[20:19] <nbd> maybe we can support these units someday
[20:20] <J4k3> I'll figure out whats inside them today
[20:20] <J4k3> I've got on torn down on my desk
[20:31] <Kaloz> J4k3: you will find the ar5312 inside :P
[20:32] <J4k3> yeah but... how much ram/flash?
[20:32] <J4k3> from the way lonnie@staros talks, vxworks is friggin tiny compared to linux
[20:32] <J4k3> of course, lonnie@staros is also trying to sell a really proprietary solution to WISPs who have been, until now, using non-proprietary hardware
[20:33] <J4k3> its a hard sale.
[20:33] <Kaloz> J4k3: you can compare vxworx with uclinux :p
[20:34] <Kaloz> staros is linux
[20:34] <Kaloz> mikrotik is linux
[20:34] <J4k3> staros 2 = linux
[20:34] <J4k3> staros 3 = freebsd
[20:34] <J4k3> starvx = vxworks w/ crap hung on top
[20:34] <Kaloz> do they say it, or do they prooved it? :p
[20:34] <Kaloz> J4k3: tbh, *bsd has chance only on big systems
[20:35] <Kaloz> J4k3: like wrap/routerboard.. on real embedded stuff, they have lost
[20:35] <J4k3> how so?
[20:35] <Kaloz> they have no embedded C library, no embedded army knifes like busybox
[20:35] <J4k3> they don't need it
[20:35] <Kaloz> you can't fit *bsd in 4mb
[20:35] <Kaloz> :p
[20:35] <J4k3> wrap/routerboard/soekris = beats my first FreeBSD server's ass
[20:36] <J4k3> my first FreeBSD box was a 386DX/40 with 5MB ram... it "worked".
[20:36] <J4k3> hell, it ran a bsdnet ircd for about a year.
[20:36] <J4k3> it was a book-top PC... I accidentally poured a drink in it.
[20:36] <Kaloz> as i said, they will work on "big" stuff like wraps/routerboards
[20:36] <J4k3> so I lost my 386 and my book.
[20:37] <J4k3> well, StarOS never ran on 'real embedded' applications
[20:37] <Kaloz> mikrotik and staros used glibc for long time
[20:37] <J4k3> the only cool feature on StarVX is the carrier adjustment
[20:37] <J4k3> on OFDM mode
[20:37] <Kaloz> i know that mikrotik 2.9rc* is uclibc based now
[20:38] <J4k3> if madwifi suddenly learned the ability to do that, starvx would be sunk.
[20:38] <Kaloz> J4k3: i see you didn't follow madwifi lists nowadays
[20:38] <J4k3> :o
[20:38] <Kaloz> J4k3: atheros contributed new code, what will be merged into cvs soon
[20:38] <J4k3> :o :o :o
[20:39] <Kaloz> J4k3: it has even virtual ap support
[20:39] <Kaloz> J4k3: so one card with multiple ssids, multiple security settings
[20:39] <Kaloz> :p
[20:39] <J4k3> seems kinda silly to me
[20:39] <J4k3> multiple client support would be cooler :)
[20:39] <Kaloz> why?
[20:39] <Kaloz> bah
[20:39] <Kaloz> :P
[20:40] <J4k3> (ie - one client box attached to multiple APs... not easy to do)
[20:40] <Kaloz> btw, the mopst interesting about it
[20:40] <Kaloz> i shtat they say wds will work in client mode, too
[20:40] <Kaloz> !
[20:40] <J4k3> interesting
[20:40] <Kaloz> yep
[20:40] <J4k3> too bad meshs are so slow.
[20:40] <Kaloz> anyway, bbl
[20:48] <hanzzon> anyone here able to tell me anything about the checksum the firmware for the DG834G and GT models use?
[20:49] <hanzzon> (there are a few programs on the net for building firmware checksums for the DG834G but none for the GT)
[20:53] <J4k3> actually, DWL-2100AP appears to be an AR2312A
[21:03] <lucaferr> finally!! I can't believe it finally works..
[21:07] <johnf> is the wrt54gc (Compact Wireless-G Broadband Router) supported with openwrt?
[21:08] <Zerberus> johnf: http://wiki.openwrt.org/TableOfHardware
[21:13] <johnf> Zerberus: thanks, based on the different chips involved i take it support will be some time in coming
[21:14] <Zerberus> johnf: i don't think so
[21:14] <vnb> Do you know some tools on openwrt for network monitoring ? I'm looking for statistics per ip.
[21:16] <Zerberus> vnb: vnstat can do so
[21:48] <denon23532> so, is the asus wl500 deluxe a motorola 8mb box?
[21:48] <J4k3> I doubt it
[21:48] <J4k3> Asus has a tendency toward making their own stuff
[21:48] <J4k3> now, the motorola may be OEM'd by Asus
[21:49] <denon> well .. nbd told me he wanted me to install one of these ( http://downloads.openwrt.org/people/nbd/whiterussian/ ) to my new asus
[21:49] <denon> cause we're doing some testing stuff on it
[21:49] <denon> and i'm wondering which one Im supposed to install
[21:50] Action: J4k3 wonders what the 'imagebuilder' is
[21:50] <J4k3> well, I haven't had a wl500g-dlx
[21:50] <J4k3> I've only used the non-dlx
[21:50] <J4k3> and on it, I used openwrt-brcm-2.4-squashfs.trx
[21:50] <J4k3> cuz squashfs is cool ;)
[21:50] <denon> hmm .. I guess maybe I should wait till he's around
[21:51] <J4k3> well, the .trx = no machine headers
[21:52] <denon> huh - no talk of boot_wait stuff here, do the asus boxes have this enabled by default?
[21:56] <J4k3> well, kinda
[21:56] <J4k3> if the dlx is like the non-dlx
[21:56] <J4k3> I Can't get boot-wait to successfully work, but if you hold the reset button while applying power, its a forced tftp mode
[21:57] <J4k3> but its kinda special, you have to do a 'get' to open up the ability to 'put'
[21:57] <J4k3> the flash.sh script works nicely for me
[21:57] <denon> hmm .. the FAQ just says to nail it on powerup
[21:57] <denon> but there's no "DO THIS SO YOU DONT BRICK IT" instuctions..
[21:58] <J4k3> its hard to brick
[21:58] <J4k3> *except*
[21:58] <J4k3> be careful what you commit to nvram
[21:58] <J4k3> else you'll have to run an nvram-scrubbing flash on it
[21:58] <J4k3> because there (as far as I can tell) no failsafe mode
[21:59] <denon> huh..
[22:00] <J4k3> well, the wl500g also listens to whatever the lan_ settings for its boot_wait ip, too.
[22:00] <denon> man, the stock asus firmware is really pretty cool
[22:00] <J4k3> yeah, it covers a lot of stuff
[22:00] <J4k3> from webcams to porndrives [tm]
[22:00] <denon> not cool enough .. but man, webcam support, ftpd, etc
[22:00] <denon> radius
[22:00] <J4k3> hrm, I'm starting to suspect this pacwireless vagi is broken
[22:01] <J4k3> and I'm starting to notice this DWL-G650 atheros card happens to kick my Senao 200mW's ass
[22:01] <J4k3> well, the senao with the internal antenna.
[22:02] <J4k3> the senao is *very* horizontally polarized... not sure what dlink did to make it less sensitive
[22:02] <J4k3> I can rotate my laptop vertical and the signal only changes a hair
[22:02] <J4k3> the senao, I rotate it vertical and the signal jumps 10 dBm
[22:02] <denon> huh
[22:03] <denon> I havent messed with many radios really .. but I was astonished at the sensativity of my new laptop's intel 2200 chipset
[22:03] <denon> antenna in the screen, of course
[22:04] <denon> but it blows away everything Ive ever had before
[22:04] <denon> can pick up signal from an old cisco 340 *much* further away than anything else Ive owned
[22:04] <J4k3> yep, I've got a broadcom in this laptop and its "ok" except it tends to go to shit in higher interference situations
[22:05] <J4k3> the jack-in-the-box I visit when I want some nasty fast food has 4 networks available from the parking lot... and every single one is on channel 6
[22:05] <denon> it was like -84 when I used a wrt54gs to connect to it .
[22:05] <denon> and this new 2200 just connected right up, got a lease and 11mbps
[22:05] <J4k3> yep
[22:06] <J4k3> I think those are onpar with the CM9 performance-wise, an the CM9 is pretty amazing
[22:06] <J4k3> err and
[22:06] <J4k3> you wouldn't expect a 60mW card to do as well as it does
[22:07] <denon> Im just finally amitting to myself that the cisco 340 (old aironoet) cards are no longer viable
[22:07] <denon> amitting/admitting
[22:07] <J4k3> hehe
[22:07] <denon> they were such a good card
[22:07] <denon> as were the APs
[22:07] <denon> rock solid
[22:07] <J4k3> theres still a place for them, but technology has moved on
[22:07] <J4k3> its like the WISPs still deploying Prism 2's
[22:08] <J4k3> Senao's implimentation is nice and all, but its still a 5 year old DSP
[22:08] <denon> that place is sitting in my house ..
[22:08] <denon> and in my ipaq
[22:08] <denon> these wl500d boxes are a nice looking unit
[22:08] <ido-2> how can i remove the firewall from telnet ? iptables -F INPUT doesn't seem to change anything
[22:08] <denon> even for business stuff
[22:09] <J4k3> not sure about the dlx, but the non-dlx has true dual ethernet
[22:09] <J4k3> two seperate controllers
[22:09] <J4k3> none of that vlan crap slowing you down.
[22:09] <denon> and a real switch?
[22:09] <J4k3> yeah
[22:09] <denon> so .. 4?
[22:10] <J4k3> well, its a generic 4 port switch on one ethernet controller (seems to be broadcom based) and another seperate controller
[22:10] <J4k3> for the WAN port
[22:10] <denon> ah ic
[22:10] <denon> well that kinda sucks, cant make a multi-if router out of it :)
[22:10] <J4k3> hmm, ok, at my angle I have exactly 0db of antenna gain (I'm 35-45 degrees below horizon from my tower right now.
[22:11] Action: J4k3 uses these numbers to calculate proper power levels in the yard
[22:12] <J4k3> ok, whew
[22:12] <denon> J4k3: Im beginning to think you put your tower up for the sole purpose of walking around to see how cool your reception is :)
[22:12] <J4k3> thats exactly what I'm getting (-55ish)
[22:12] <J4k3> well, when you start noticing things not adding up, you get paranoid
[22:12] <J4k3> like today... I have zero noise on channel 9 vpol
[22:13] Action: denon calls the FCC to warn them :)
[22:13] <J4k3> a couple days ago I was seeing -89ish
[22:13] <ido-2> hrm, I'm trying to WDS two wrt54g's, over about 900 feet. LOS, but i'm not sure about frenzel zone
[22:13] <J4k3> ido-2: fresnel won't really matter @ 900 ft
[22:13] <J4k3> its only a couple feet wide, and that'll only block a few db
[22:14] <J4k3> the only issue is multipath, and that might slow you down... if it does, use a more focused (higher gain) antenna.
[22:14] <jhaune> while you're talking about it, i want to set the power level of radio as low as possible, what is useful for a two room flat?
[22:15] <jhaune> maybe you got some values from experience..
[22:15] <ido-2> anyhow, power on both routes is up to 84mhw
[22:15] <ido-2> and i have connected those 8dbi ant.
[22:16] <ido-2> but still getting aroudn -85 rssi
[22:16] <J4k3> ido-2: 8dbi omnis?
[22:16] <J4k3> you need to get a directional antenna on one end of that link
[22:16] <J4k3> a little 10-16 dbi panel would do the trick
[22:18] <estel> why is there no ip-up script when using pppoe? I need a script to run after connecting, but the ip-up script I've created isn't executed. how can i 'create' a 'new' ip-up ?
[22:18] <J4k3> estel: ifup.pppoe?
[22:19] <J4k3> err /sbin/ifup.pppoe
[22:19] <ido-2> J4k3: directionals
[22:19] <ido-2> on both ends
[22:19] <J4k3> hrm
[22:20] <J4k3> are they both in the same polarity?
[22:20] <ido-2> yeah
[22:21] <J4k3> bleh, thats just not right :|
[22:21] <estel> i see, thanks
[22:21] <J4k3> how much coax used on the antennas?
[22:21] <ido-2> those are stock cables i got with the antennas
[22:21] <ido-2> i think they are about 2 feet or so
[22:21] <ido-2> those are airlink antennas
[22:22] <J4k3> ah
[22:22] <J4k3> wow...thats just odd
[22:22] <J4k3> you should have a killer signal...
[22:22] <ido-2> tech. the router is supposed to do that without antennas too (after upping the power)
[22:23] <J4k3> is there somebody running an incompatable-format 2.4 network nearby (canopy, etc)?
[22:23] <J4k3> of course, thats hard to find out short of a spectrum analyzer
[22:23] <ido-2> i dont think so
[22:24] <ido-2> its a neighbourhood
[22:24] <ido-2> besides microwave/ 2.4 ghz phone signals that might be around, nothing
[22:24] <ido-2> i've found only a few other wifi routers
[22:25] <ido-2> i think around 3 or so in the way
[22:25] <ido-2> on different channels, and signal from them wasn't that strong either, around 70-80 dbi
[22:25] <J4k3> well, what kind of throughput are you getting over the -85 link?
[22:26] <J4k3> -85 on linksys/broadcom usually means 'pretty slow'
[22:26] <ido-2> barely useable..
[22:26] <ido-2> http://www.airlink101.com/products/asb-8ba.html
[22:26] <J4k3> though I had a rev 1.1 that appeared to do 2mbit at -97dBm, but I called BS on that.
[22:26] <ido-2> these are the antenna's i'm using
[22:27] <J4k3> hrm
[22:27] <ido-2> its a 100cm coax cable
[22:27] <J4k3> can you tell if the signal changes when you move the antennas around?
[22:27] <J4k3> and do you by chance have a laptop?
[22:27] <ido-2> I dont have much where too move
[22:27] <ido-2> since one ap is on my rooftop
[22:27] <J4k3> I ment turning them around and such
[22:27] <ido-2> oh
[22:27] <ido-2> hrm
[22:28] <J4k3> ack, thats always fun to deal with
[22:28] <ido-2> yes, well
[22:28] <ido-2> i might be able to do that
[22:28] <ido-2> the other is on my friends house window
[22:28] <J4k3> I'd try monitoring the link while changes are made
[22:28] <J4k3> I'd also attempt laying the antennas on their side
[22:28] <J4k3> which will turn them into horizontal polarity antennas
[22:29] <J4k3> much less interference on hpol, usually.
[22:29] <ido-2> Yes i know. I didnt think that should be a problem, but i'll try that
[22:29] <J4k3> well
[22:29] <ido-2> oh wait
[22:29] <ido-2> hrm
[22:29] <J4k3> its not 'supposed' to be a problem ;)
[22:29] <ido-2> shit
[22:29] <ido-2> actually when thinking about it, its not the same polarity
[22:29] <ido-2> i think mines on the side
[22:29] <J4k3> ahhh
[22:29] <J4k3> that'd do it
[22:29] <J4k3> get your friend to lay his over too
[22:29] <ido-2> because its an indoor ant. i made a box for it
[22:29] <ido-2> eh
[22:29] <J4k3> you should see a 10-15db jump in signal
[22:30] <ido-2> oh cooll
[22:30] <ido-2> amazing
[22:30] <ido-2> i'll call him
[22:30] <J4k3> yeah
[22:30] <denon> man ... this wl500 does not want to take tftp
[22:30] Action: denon 's using aftp.. sounds like thats the preferred client
[22:31] <denon> tftp 192.168.1.1
[22:31] <denon> oops
[22:32] <denon> ah - stock tftp worked like a charm
[22:32] <d00f> does it exist risk to use experimental openwrt ? (router doesnt reboot anymore, ....)
[22:32] <Semhirage> O.O
[22:33] <Semhirage> there's a chance my 2.0 wrt54G has 32 instead of 16MB or ram?
[22:33] Action: Semhirage runs to grab the philips screwdriver
[22:33] <J4k3> denon: try the flash.sh
[22:33] <denon> J4k3: this seemed to work . .
[22:33] <J4k3> well, assuming you're in unix
[22:33] <J4k3> hey, whatever works ;)
[22:33] <denon> im just waiting for it to come back up now (hopefully :)
[22:34] Action: denon watches lan1 flicker
[22:35] Action: denon gets impatient wondering what happened to his router
[22:35] <denon> hate this flashing stuff :)
[22:36] <J4k3> hehe
[22:36] <denon> hmm .. been 5 minutes now
[22:36] <J4k3> wow, birch.net has an actual customer? They paid for all those billboards ;)
[22:37] <ido-2> hrm , he's not home now
[22:37] <ido-2> thanks for the help j0sephi`
[22:37] <ab0oo> J4k3: I've had a $400/month T-1 from them for two years.
[22:37] <s-ndh-c> still the same
[22:37] <s-ndh-c> now i cant reach any internet host
[22:38] <ab0oo> has anyone run openwrt on anything with an 802.11A radio in it?
[22:38] <s-ndh-c> dns works
[22:38] <s-ndh-c> but i dont get any connection
[22:38] <s-ndh-c> what could be wrong?
[22:39] <J4k3> ab0oo: I have a CM9 in a WL500G running OpenWRT. I could flip it on 11a, assuming I had an antenna.
[22:39] <J4k3> yay for madwifi support.
[22:39] <ab0oo> is the CM9 an atheros radio?
[22:39] <J4k3> yes
[22:39] <J4k3> its a lower power atheros radio
[22:39] <J4k3> I've got one with an SR2 in it (400mW atheros b/g)
[22:39] <J4k3> I could swap it with an SR5, of course.
[22:39] <ab0oo> so wht WL500G just has a mini-pci slot you can put anything in?
[22:39] <J4k3> yep
[22:39] <J4k3> well
[22:39] <ab0oo> wht=the, for those of you not dyslexic
[22:40] <ab0oo> J4k3: within reason.
[22:40] <denon> anything? :)
[22:40] <J4k3> it had a table leg prop installed by default (a broadcom mpci card)
[22:41] <ab0oo> I need an 802.11A bridge between two of my towers. My asshat business competitor is running a canopy network smack dab in the middle of 2.4Ghz, so I have no channels to use for backhaul.
[22:41] <J4k3> the wl500b's are the same mainboard as the wl500g, and either has a bcm 11b radio, or the new ones have an ralink 11b radio
[22:41] <J4k3> the ralink doesn't sound all that bad.
[22:41] <s-ndh-c> what could bewrong?
[22:41] <J4k3> ab0oo: heh, I suggest you invest in some X10 cameras and some 24 dbi parabolics.
[22:42] <J4k3> send homeboy's canopy a protocol it'll love a lot... ntsc-fm ;)
[22:42] <denon> J4k3: the asus doesnt power cycle itself :)
[22:42] <ab0oo> ahh, so I could but a pair of WL500Bs, a pair of 200mw Atheros A/B/G cards, a pair of lightning suppressors, some pigtails, NMEA cases, and antennas, plus a partridge in a pear tree, and shoot the 2 miles over A...
[22:42] <J4k3> denon: hmm... mine usually come back after a couple minutes
[22:42] <ab0oo> cheaper than buying off the shelf, commercial A band bridges at $900-1200 a pop
[22:42] <J4k3> ab0oo: definetly
[22:43] <denon> J4k3: just got it on good authority that these dont (deluxe, anyway) - waited 10 minutes
[22:43] <J4k3> 2 miles? CM9 would do that beautifully
[22:43] <denon> cycled and it was poifect
[22:43] <J4k3> I'd suggest some BIG ASS PARABOLICS if your competitor is a dick.
[22:43] <J4k3> like 26-28 dbi mesh parabolics
[22:43] <ab0oo> how do the WL500s do in terms of temp extremes?
[22:43] <J4k3> I don't suggest solid dishes for anything except blowing towers over.
[22:43] <J4k3> ab0oo: thats something I'm testing right now.
[22:43] Action: denon usually just wires a 240VAC outlet to a big omni and waits for everone else to go out of business
[22:43] <ab0oo> these are 50,000 gallon water towers.Don't stress over windloading.
[22:44] <J4k3> its 96F here and its in full sun, inside of a small unvented painted aluminum enclosure (the pacwireless nemas)
[22:44] <ab0oo> There are already 3 24db 5.8GHz dishes up there, plus 64 other antennas (literally, I counted)
[22:44] <J4k3> hahah good god
[22:44] <J4k3> theres two water towers in my town, and one antenna between the both of them
[22:44] <denon> ab0oo: I think I'd cover myself in tinfoil before I went up there if I were you
[22:44] <J4k3> and they're being peckerwoods about anybody mounting anything to it.
[22:45] <ab0oo> yeah, I'm pretty sterile. If the vasectomy didn't do it, 10 hours installing antennas on the primary water tower sure did.
[22:45] Action: J4k3 has no love for his current city government... this year is an election year for them, thank god.
[22:45] Action: J4k3 ponders running for city manager.
[22:45] <denon> s/manager/mangler/
[22:45] <J4k3> yeah something like that ;)
[22:45] <denon> :)
[22:45] <J4k3> I'd be the guy that says "this may be a town of 700 people, but do we really need an expensive city government? Lets just disband"
[22:45] <J4k3> my town did this back in the 30s
[22:46] <ab0oo> what's a good price for WL500Bs?
[22:46] <ab0oo> never bought one before.
[22:46] <J4k3> about $55
[22:46] <ab0oo> ohh, there is a god.
[22:46] <J4k3> $65 for a wl500g non-dlx
[22:46] <stockholm> and a wrt54g?
[22:46] <J4k3> the deluxe model IS NOT MPCI EQUIPPED
[22:46] <ab0oo> the B is?
[22:46] <J4k3> yes
[22:46] <J4k3> the 500b/500g is
[22:46] <J4k3> but not the 500g-dlx
[22:47] <J4k3> ab0oo: want to see the coolest box ever, and it fits inside snug? :)
[22:47] <J4k3> OH!
[22:47] <J4k3> the only downside of the WL500b/g
[22:47] <J4k3> is the fact it wants 5v, and preferably about 1.5A of it
[22:47] <ab0oo> sure...
[22:48] <ab0oo> I've got plenty of power. Although I'd prefer 12V...
[22:48] <J4k3> a 7805 getting fed with 12v barely covers it, and that 7805 better be well heatsinked... $17 gets you a decent dc/dc 48->5v reg tho.
[22:48] <J4k3> heres my plan... MN-700's are 12 volt units
[22:48] <J4k3> but require jtag'ing
[22:48] <J4k3> and they're cheaper (slightly)
[22:48] <J4k3> http://www.wisp-router.com/product_info.php?cPath=77&products_id=398
[22:49] <ab0oo> I've got a WIGGLER, but I'm too stupid to use it. And it's for ARM.
[22:49] <J4k3> the wl500g/b fits in there nicely.
[22:50] <J4k3> ab0oo: but yeah, I'm thinking on the same level you are... WRAPs and Soekris are 5-7 years out of date, trying to peddle overclocked 486's that choke on a few mbit of traffic
[22:50] <J4k3> or you can mount PCs, but thats 120v, lots of heat, requires a vented enclosure, etc etc.
[22:50] <J4k3> (thats what I'm doing on my tower for now)
[22:51] <J4k3> for now I'm mostly aiming at CPE, but if they prove to work well as CPE I'll definetly consider this stuff for towers
[22:52] <ab0oo> man, have you seen the new DemarcTech CPE radios? They're better than tranzeos...
[22:52] <J4k3> no, lemmie go look
[22:52] <J4k3> demarc, historically, makes nice gear
[22:52] <ab0oo> J4k3: it looks like it's embedded linux. Bandwidth shaping and SNMP built into the radio.
[22:53] <J4k3> well, theres that realtek-based radio/board that a company is selling... people don't seem to like it much, tho
[22:53] <J4k3> its cheapish, like $120 w/ radio
[22:54] <ab0oo> J4k3: they're selling the 200mW demarc CPE for $180. They also have a router/DHCP server built into them, so you can put a cheap-o $10 switch at the customer prem and skip buying a router. very nice.
[22:54] <J4k3> ab0oo: yeah, thats basically what I'm aiming at with the asus box
[22:54] <ab0oo> what's the deal with real-tek? poor QC?
[22:55] <J4k3> brings ath0 up, pppoe dialin to the tower, routes back to the wired network (either NAT or static or a mixture of both)
[22:56] <J4k3> dunno, the guy I trust for product reviews (we run pretty similar setups) says he had trouble with them being happy connected to his atheros radios, but they worked ok talking to prism2's
[22:56] <ab0oo> my biggest killer out here in KS is lightning. I've replaced more than 60% of my initial radios (well, they were mostly WET-11s) due to lightning strikes.
[22:57] <Sinbios> argalskjfl
[22:57] <J4k3> but he's outgrown the prism2's capability so he can't use them... there was talk on wisp@tog.net mailing list
[22:57] Action: Sinbios kicks the wrt54g
[22:57] <J4k3> ah, we've already lost a ubiquiti to lightning
[22:57] <Sinbios> =_=
[22:57] <J4k3> damned vpol omni
[22:57] <J4k3> I got a 13dbi waveguide on the way
[22:57] <J4k3> omni waveguide
[22:58] <J4k3> nice part is with them the entire outer surface of the antenna is very well grounded to the structure itself
[22:59] <J4k3> my next purchase will be a single 5.8ghz 120 degree hpol sector (appears to be two 24 slots with a splitter mounted together 'perfectly') and an SR5 to drive it
[23:00] <ab0oo> everything I have is HPOL, 802.11b
[23:00] <ab0oo> I put in a 15KM shot the other night.
[23:00] <J4k3> damn, and you're still losing hardware? :|
[23:00] <ab0oo> Tranzeo 200mw/15db to SmartBridges AirPointPro Outdoor + PacWireless 15db HPOL 95degree sector.
[23:01] <J4k3> nice
[23:01] <J4k3> I've got three vpol 120 deg sectors here, but when I attempted 'lighting' them before, I had a crosstalk issue like crazy
[23:01] <J4k3> of course, all 3 radios were in the same chassis
[23:01] <ab0oo> through a treeline. We pulled it down, though. the customer told me he'd put up a 50' tower if I gave him free access, and I could mount an AP there and pick up his 9 or 10 neighbors.
[23:01] Action: J4k3 looks at his wl500g's
[23:02] Action: J4k3 asks them 'wanna get high?'
[23:02] <J4k3> ab0oo: oooh, thats the kinda 'scam' I wanna get going here ;)
[23:02] <J4k3> lots of folks around here still have 50-100ft Rohn 25's
[23:03] <Semhirage> hrm, so the wl500G's are the pimp shit ehh?
[23:03] <J4k3> and usually all they're using them for anymore is holding up their DirecTV/DishNetwork dish
[23:03] <ab0oo> that's what we're doing: driving around in the boonies offering to take the towers down and keep them, for free.
[23:03] <J4k3> Semhirage: well, the wl500g is IMHO the 'nicest' minipci-equipped radio
[23:04] <Semhirage> that also happens to run openwrt right?
[23:04] <J4k3> Semhirage: of course :)
[23:04] <ab0oo> J4k3: know anything about the R52? (Wisp-router.com)
[23:04] <ab0oo> 65mW a+b+g mini pci
[23:04] <J4k3> no, and it sure is cheap
[23:04] <J4k3> I was going to buy a couple and some Rootenna 19's
[23:04] <J4k3> actually, heh, for 2 miles
[23:04] <J4k3> you could easily use Rootenna 19/5.x enclosures
[23:04] <J4k3> they're small like the rootenna 14 @ 2.4
[23:05] <J4k3> 19dbi is plenty for a couple miles bridge
[23:05] <ab0oo> are there 5.8g rootennas?
[23:05] <J4k3> yeah
[23:05] <J4k3> check the 5.x client antennas
[23:05] <Semhirage> so how strong abouts antenna will i need to cover 14 city blocks?
[23:05] <J4k3> on wisp-router
[23:05] <ab0oo> ohh, there are....
[23:05] <ab0oo> whimper.
[23:05] <J4k3> Semhirage: depends on a lot of variables
[23:06] <J4k3> ab0oo: nice part about 5.x is the gain vs antenna size ratio ;)
[23:06] <ab0oo> will a WL500 fit in the "deep dish" roo?
[23:06] <J4k3> yes
[23:06] <J4k3> I got one here, wanna pic? :)
[23:06] <denon> ab0oo: arent towers a little too price to buy and maintain for that?
[23:07] <ab0oo> denon: you lost me. maintain for what?
[23:07] <denon> you were talkin about putting up a tower for like a half dozen users?
[23:07] <ab0oo> J4k3: I'll believe you. I need to put up a bunch of my pics.
[23:07] <ab0oo> denon: I have > 70 users.
[23:08] <denon> "... told me he'd put up a 50' tower if I gave him free access, and I could mount an AP there and pick up his 9 or 10 neighbors."
[23:08] <ab0oo> Ohh, for 9-10 users on an extension? not really. You can get "used" towers for labor only.
[23:08] <ab0oo> say I get $40/month from 9 people...
[23:08] <denon> what, old towers people need off their property?
[23:09] <ab0oo> Exactly. How many people bought Rohn 50' towers 10 years ago for their radio-shack TV picker-uppers?
[23:09] <ab0oo> now they've got Dish/DirecTV and an eyesore on their property...
[23:09] <ab0oo> you give me the tower, I'll take it and tote it.
[23:09] <J4k3> well
[23:09] <denon> true nuff .. but you cant really stick a nema box on the top of those can ya?
[23:10] <J4k3> 10 users up front = 20 users in a year, no effort
[23:10] <J4k3> ;)
[23:10] <denon> so you'd need, what I would presume, would be a pretty expensive piece of cable?
[23:10] <ab0oo> sure you can. what's the wind loading on an ice-covered VHF TV antenna?
[23:10] <denon> Ive seen a lot of those fall over too <G>
[23:10] <ab0oo> not on my house you haven't. I wouldn't have one for all the tea in china... :)
[23:11] <denon> same
[23:11] <J4k3> www.intrastar.net/~jsuter/500g/
[23:11] <J4k3> yeow, those pics are big
[23:11] <denon> nice rig
[23:11] <ab0oo> but if it "costs" me $40/month to have on on someone elses property, and I can put a HPOL backhaul shot and a VPOL local access point, with traffic shaping done right there, it's a win.
[23:12] <ab0oo> is that 500B/G?
[23:12] <J4k3> yeah those are 500g's
[23:12] <denon> whats with the cat5 soldered to the board?
[23:13] <Semhirage> which casing is that?
[23:13] <denon> poe?
[23:13] <J4k3> denon: yeah POE
[23:13] <J4k3> the WL500G is picky about its input voltage
[23:13] <J4k3> it wants 4.5 to 7v
[23:13] <denon> why not just put a plug on it?
[23:13] <J4k3> otherwise = burn
[23:13] <ab0oo> nice 12-5V heat sink...
[23:13] <J4k3> ;)
[23:13] <J4k3> the heatsink is actually the case itself
[23:13] <denon> seems like a plug would be more durable when the wind starts blowin
[23:13] <J4k3> it just looks like I soldered to the board
[23:14] <denon> and shakin around
[23:14] <ab0oo> it's actaully quite clever. did you put a little joy jelly between the chip and the case, or just slobber it on?
[23:14] <J4k3> ab0oo: Arctic Alumina! :)
[23:14] <J4k3> made by the same people that made Arctic Silver... its what was handy ;)
[23:14] <ab0oo> looks very nice.
[23:14] <J4k3> actually no, this is arctic ceramique
[23:14] <J4k3> well
[23:15] <J4k3> I wouldn't use the 7805 regulation method in production
[23:15] <ab0oo> Looks like I get to spend some money today. Hehe.
[23:15] <J4k3> it sits way too close to critical
[23:15] <J4k3> dispite having a huge aluminum heatsink
[23:15] <ab0oo> are you taking 12V-5V?
[23:15] <J4k3> I'm using 9v right now because the wire is short
[23:16] <J4k3> 9v @ 1000mA, and the wall wart needs to get warm
[23:16] <ab0oo> hmmm. Can you put two voltage drop chips in parallel and spread the wealth (warmth) that way?
[23:16] <J4k3> err
[23:16] <denon> its too bad solar and capacitance still sucks
[23:16] <J4k3> it does get warm, it doesn't need to ;)
[23:16] <J4k3> hmm, yeah I'm sure
[23:17] <J4k3> just remember you gotta leave 2v of headroom on 7800's
[23:17] <denon> these things are so low power, itd be