[00:00] the ag2?? one does not have wireless, the wag54g does. [00:00] *ag241 [00:00] i've already a router without wireless [00:00] but i use rfc1477 as adsl protocol [00:01] IPoverATM or CIP [00:01] if you just want a wireless router, then get a wrt54g* [00:01] thankyou :) [00:02] the diff between the g and the gs is only the ram ? [00:02] I think the gs has a biger flash chip too... [00:02] but I am not sure. [00:02] *bigger [00:03] yeah, i've read on the wiki of openwrt.org [00:03] if there are others diffs :) [00:16] z3ro: ping [00:16] nettie: pong [00:16] Ge0rG: hi [00:17] z3ro: how's going? :) last night I had a small talk with wbx, he didnt sort the cable problems yet. He said he was pretty busy this week as well :( [00:18] yeah, it's going good. I decided to remove all the code for the boards not based on the sangam chip (sangam= all "ti ar7*" boards) [00:18] so the wag54g, dlink, avm, etc are all based on sangam. [00:21] sounds cool [00:22] yeah [00:22] did you already built a custom rootfs and tried it ? -- I'm pretty sure it will work ;) [00:22] you're doing a great job ;) [00:25] I have not tried a rootfs yet, no. [00:26] any kernel knowledgable persons about? [00:30] lecram: just ask, maybe someone will know what you want to know. [00:32] I'm trying to build a siit module, but it fails on some structures [00:33] it is for the 2.4 kernel [00:36] siit.c: In function `ip4_ip6': [00:36] siit.c:314: error: structure has no member named `tclass1' [00:36] and so on... [00:37] for the rest it compiles remarcably cleanly :) [01:02] morning [01:05] what are the major differences between the jffs2 and squashfs experimental build? [01:08] jffs2 is a normal writable fs [01:09] squashfs is a read only fs, with symlinks from a jffs2 root fs [01:09] hm. do I want to flash the new build right now? [01:11] lecram: thx [01:13] re [01:17] nbd: do you remember that moron from the gpl-violations.org legal list? now he mailed the dropbear list, because he is too fumb to be able to crosscompile [01:29] Kaloz: URL? [01:30] y354C: i got it in mail :p but sec [01:31] y354C: http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/dropbear/2005q2/000219.html [01:31] you got email [01:31] with tom hanks and meg ryan [01:32] y354C: btw, did i already tell you that imho all ppl who use info@foo.bar addresses for mail are idiots? :p [01:37] Action: Ge0rG is using experimental jffs2 in failsafe mode, and / is mounted r/o... I tried "mount /dev/root / -o remount,rw" but the fs is still locked. [01:38] Write of 51 bytes at 0x0019c03c failed. returned -30, retlen 0 [01:38] Not marking the space at 0x0019c03c as dirty because the flash driver returned retlen zero [01:38] thats what the kernel tells [01:38] mtd unlock rootfs? [01:39] whoops. [01:39] thanks [01:39] that was my first time in failsafe... ;) [01:43] It is spurious and annoying for you to call 'nonsense', when you do not even [01:43] know what these Broadcom modifications are, nor any other differences in the [01:43] code much less those relating to 802.11n, which are significant. If we had [01:43] acquiesced to doing this half-assed, there wouldn't be any problem, as you [01:43] say. I would ask why you are so diligently working directly against the [01:43] interests of this forum? Is it simple bloodymindedness? [01:45] sure [01:45] :p [01:45] y354C what's that? [01:45] y354C: i was thinking about sending hime the manpage of diff [01:46] coder: that moron on gpl-violations.org legal list [01:46] coder: http://lists.gpl-violations.org/pipermail/legal/2005-April/thread.html [01:46] is brian beattie subscribed? [01:46] The part of the thread between Quantum Scientific and Kaloz. [01:46] if not I wont subscribe [02:16] It's a pity wrt54g v3 doesn't have 32MB ram [02:17] there is a v3? [02:17] there has been one for a while afaik [02:18] i think the g v3 came out same time as gs 2.0, not sure though [02:18] never heard of one of them... I know g v2.2 and gs v1.1 [02:18] http://openwrt.org/TableOfHardware [02:19] ah, thats a nice one [02:19] i'm lucky with my g model v2 rev XH, since it has 32MB RAM [02:20] TornadoQ: how can you see if its an XH? [02:21] you'll have to open it [02:21] total used free shared buffers [02:21] Mem: 14172 7316 6856 0 0 [02:21] I can't seem the search for the post in the forum [02:22] hm... no need yet to void the warranty ;) [02:22] ...yet [02:22] heh, for an additional unused 16MB I didn't care ;) [02:43] Ge0rG, http://wrt54g.free.fr/revival/wrt54g-v2/imgp0763.jpg - look at the upper right corner and then stand on your head ;) [02:48] Ge0rG: You have to set set an nvram var to enable the extra 16MB. [02:48] Ge0rG: Otherwise you'll only have the first 16MB. [02:49] what if mine only has 16mb? will it horribly die when I set the variable? [02:50] that's why it would be clever to check it out first ;) [02:50] I'll do that some time later. maybe ;) [02:50] on http://openwrt.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1278 someone says that you can actually see text on the RAM by using a flashing light [02:51] i wanna try that right now [02:52] heh, that guy wasn't even kidding - you can actually read the text on the RAM chips ;) [02:55] (and make that flashlight) [02:56] You already voided the warranty by flashing a third part firmware. [02:56] y354C: thats something the guy in the electronics store can't prove ;) [02:57] <_Tassadar> ? [02:57] Ge0rG: Sure he can. [02:57] Ge0rG: Just not as easily. [02:58] y354C: how, if you flash it back to the linksys image first? [02:58] anyone know if dumpedcore had released his web interface for wrt ? [02:58] didl: he didn't yet [02:59] z3ro: If your router was working well enough that you could flash a different image, why would you want to return it? [02:59] didl: I think he gave [mbm] some preview screen-shots. [02:59] y354C: hmm, good point. [02:59] i have seen screenshot, but 'mwait for release :) [02:59] Action: z3ro shutsup. [02:59] *shuts up [03:00] didl: is that online anywere, I wouldn't mind having a look at it. [03:01] look on google with dumpedcore interface y may look a screenshot on her web site [03:02] nothing much on google for "dumpedcore" [03:03] op wrt [03:03] Hehe. [03:42] howdy.... I'm trying to setup ipv6 connectivity on an OpenWRT Experimental (wbx) using sixxx... I got everything running so far but I can't ping the remote tunnel endpoint from the machines on my network am I missing something on the router? [03:49] thiesen: maybe /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/forwarding? [03:49] is 1 [03:49] use someone the new testing version [03:49] on wrt54gs [03:50] make[2]: Entering directory `/home/georg/WRT54G/experimental/openwrt/package/bridge' [03:50] make[2]: *** virtual memory exhausted. Stop. [03:50] make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/georg/WRT54G/experimental/openwrt/package/bridge' [03:51] make[1]: *** [bridge-prepare] Error 2 [03:51] cool! [03:51] hah [03:51] xD [03:51] swapon is your friend [03:51] Mem: 513764k total, 505064k used, 8700k free, 1192k buffers [03:51] Swap: 497972k total, 7988k used, 489984k free, 185088k cached [03:51] Ge0rG: maybe something todo with iptables? [03:52] thiesen: ip6tables? should be set to ACCEPT everywhere [03:52] thiesen: can you tcpdump the packets on the different wrt interfaces? [03:52] coder: I've got enough free ram... maybe its some weird make(file) bug? [03:53] Ge0rG: not using ip6tables... [03:54] thiesen: you must allow incoming and outgoing ip proto 40 on the wan interface [03:57] the new testing version has kernel 2.6. or [03:57] Ge0rG: outgoing is allowed anyway... I set the incoming rule which is described in the howto... trying tcpdump now [03:59] well I can ping the local tunnel endpoint but not the remote one [04:00] thiesen: do you see the encapsulated packets going out on $wan when pinging the remote endpoint? [04:00] is your tunnel "up" in the sixxs web interface? [04:00] well I can ping the local tunnel endpoint but not the remote one [04:01] ... sorry ... [04:01] tcpdump on $wan ;) [04:04] well ... dosn't look like they are there (but I'm not sure that I would see them because I don't know how they look like) [04:05] any hints from "ip -6 r"? [04:06] Ge0rG: I can ping6 from the router to the remote point, so it should be up [04:07] ip -6 r look like the one in the howto [04:07] thiesen: you've got a tunnel _and_ a subnet? [04:12] Ge0rG: oh, my subnet is disabled..... [04:32] use someone openwrt with krnel 2.6 [04:58] Ge0rG: but even after enabling the subnet it doesn't work [05:16] hmm, the linksys does better on a online scan then the new router I have....... [05:16] actually it does perfect on a online port scan [05:17] while the new none linksys router is getting port 80 and 113 reported closed only [05:36] aaaah..!!.. finally =) [05:36] my employer will send me on a linux-kernel training... =) [07:03] he should hear you [07:29] lqb [07:30] lqb: hello [07:31] I think his line is the problem [07:31] he keeps disconnecting [07:33] lol, I pushed disconnect button [07:35] [Elmy] is my script [07:35] IRcap beta suck [07:35] :S [07:36] okey :) [07:36] it's begin to flash and then make an error [07:36] you made it yourself? [07:38] no [07:39] www.ircap.com [07:39] I have a linksys router but I also have a new router a ovislink, and no I never heard of the brand before. What I was wondering about is the point of having the ability to turn of the the NAT function in it? (PS it's based on GPL just as the linksys) [07:39] okey [07:43] none who could answer that??? [07:47] I could understand it If I could just turn of the NAT and DHCP and get my external ip trough the router with the firewall functions on [07:47] using it as a transparant firewall instead if that exists [07:55] http://www.ovislink.com.tw/WMU9000UI/ [08:01] [mbm]: is it possible to get a cvs account to submit software and kernel patches and updates ? [08:02] my GS seems to have bricked itself last night, I shorted the pins on the flash and was able to get it to return a ping [08:02] but when tftping the new image, the transfer times out [08:02] hmm [08:02] anyone have any suggestions? [08:02] tried reaching it trough wireless [08:02] ? [08:02] it's actually the only piece of wireless equipment I have [08:03] oh [08:03] it's really strange, it was chugging along just fine, and then it apparently just dropped out [08:03] becouse I experinced modified firmware doing sudden weird stuff like making the lan ports stop working [08:04] I was running firmware from a few months back [08:04] so I had to get to it with a wireless card [08:04] okey [08:04] I could bring it to work and try that.... [08:05] as it stands, when it gets powered on, the power light blinks [08:05] and it acts as a simple switch [08:05] well, I can't garantee anything but it could be worth a shot [08:05] I was seeing arp chatter from my cablemodem [08:05] hmm [08:05] are you getting ip from it? [08:05] however, i can't get the new firmware to build [08:05] Elmy: nope [08:06] well, that sounds just like my problem [08:06] the lan ports stopped working [08:06] once you got in, how did you re-enable them? [08:06] wireless was the only selution and reflash it with original firmware [08:07] I see [08:07] I actually reflashed it with a old ver 2,7 [08:07] with that program you can download you know [08:07] I just realised there are binary releases of experimental [08:07] I really need to be awake longer before doing this stuff [08:07] not flashing it from the router but trough the program [08:08] through linksys' windows flashing dealy? [08:08] ye if you run windows??? [08:08] Elmy: the family has a few windows machines [08:09] also, I work at a small mom and pop computer store... [08:09] I reseted the router and reflashed it with that linksys prog trough wireless [08:09] and reseted it again [08:09] I'll have to try that [08:09] Action: grelli packs up sati [08:09] and the I reflashed it with new firmware and loaded in my backup settings [08:10] and the it worked [08:10] alrighty, I'll give that a wack at work [08:11] well, that's my only advice for you [08:11] maybe someone else here has a better one [08:11] I'm gratefull for any suggestions [08:12] I just tell you what I did in a similar situation [08:13] as it seems like the lan ports stopped working and I could not get any contact even with static ip on my network card [08:14] If you are using openwrt I don't get why it's not anyone here who have any suggestions [08:16] I'v only used a GUI version: linksys original, sveasoft++ and last hyperwrt that is stable as linksys [08:18] in openwrt, is there a command to ouput the openwrt version and linksys hardware version? [08:19] somebody using openwrt in client mode with wpa ? [08:22] ekkaia: cat /proc/cpuinfo [08:22] thank u z3ro [08:22] no problem [08:24] grelli: Do you use openwrt or ? [08:26] oh, sorry man, I was getting ready for work [08:26] I'm using openwrt [08:27] okey [08:27] I'm not going to stop you from going to work :) [08:27] I was just making some tea [08:27] gotta leave in 15 [08:28] okey [08:35] I guess if this doesn't work, the next solution is to build a jtag cable [08:37] ye [08:39] I think I've got the parts around for such a beastie [08:39] :) [08:41] wee [08:41] I'm off to work [08:41] okey [08:41] good luck [08:41] I'll check back in and let you know how it goes [08:41] thanks [08:41] have a nice day :P [08:41] you too [08:51] hello, is there anyway to browse the Wiki offline? I mean anyway to download the Wiki database? [09:20] re [11:08] suggestions on how to set up dnsmasq on my wrt54gs so that apart from giving out the 1918 ip's via dhcp it also gives out a real ip ? [11:08] ie i was thinking of binding the real ip to ifconfig br0:1 real.ip [11:08] but when i do that dnsmasq still can not seem to see it and refuses to give it out [11:30] strerror: did you put a nameserver into /etc/resolv.conf ? [11:30] and is it readable ? (dnsmasq will log an error on this) [11:30] lecram: yes and yes [11:31] can it reach that nameserver? [11:31] yes [11:31] i.e. can you get local resolving? [11:32] yes [11:32] check the permissions of /etc/resolv.conf [11:32] my problem is handing out a "Real" ip on a 1918 class c [11:32] not related to dns [11:32] ah [11:33] hmm... never tried doing that [11:33] why do you want _both_ private, and public space? [11:41] lecram: because i don't have that many real ip's but i would like one laptop in particular to have real ips [11:41] did you specify in /etc/ethers? [11:48] i modified openwrt-squashfs.bin but everytime i flash it using linksys firmware it says "upgrade failed" and the power light keeps flashing, any ideas? [11:58] ekkaia: have you tries using boot_wait ? [11:58] u mean tftp? [11:59] yes [11:59] yea [11:59] same problem, power light flashes forever [12:04] which experimental, and which box ? [12:10] wrt54g [12:10] latest build i think [12:10] april 13th maybe [12:14] which hw recision/ [12:14] ? [12:14] 3.0 [12:14] i tried everything [12:14] tftp lock power and dmz light on solid [12:15] linksys upgrade page says "upgrade are failed" and the power light blinkning, rebooting after puts the box in error mode where i can tftp again (with the same problems) [12:16] is 3.0 supported? [12:17] supposed to be [12:17] and earlier tests of my bin file worked [12:19] I have a later cvs build you could try, but I'm not sure I can help beyond that [12:19] there seems to be a problem re-flashing these [12:20] did you try both jffs2 and squashfs? [12:20] i only use squashfs [12:20] if it's a format error, then that might work [12:20] how would jffs2 help [12:20] different .bin layout? [12:22] yea [12:23] u know what [12:23] it works when i flash it to a new linksys [12:23] not when i flash it to one that has already been flashed [12:23] if that doesnt' work, then you need mbm or nbd.. or olaf [12:24] eh... oleg [12:24] even if i put stock linksys firmware and factory reset [12:24] isnt that messed up ?!??! [12:24] ack [12:25] I'm not very knowledgable, but that sounds like you need a jtag cable [12:26] y? [12:26] or the flash is borked? [12:27] hehe i killed 4 wrt54g for this [12:27] i can flash linksys stock firmware [12:27] i dont understand why flashing after putting back the original doesnt work [12:27] doesnt everything get overwritten ? [12:27] like new [12:27] it should [12:28] it doesnt :S [12:30] :/ [12:38] hi, i broke my router and i can't access the failsafe mode. I'd be glad for some help. Thanks [12:39] anybody awake? [12:41] yes [12:41] what version is ur router? [12:42] 1.0,1.1,2.0,2.2,3.0 ? [12:42] 2.0 [12:43] open the front up [12:43] get a pin [12:43] hm, i can't see no screws... is this really needed? [12:44] there are no screws [12:44] just pull the blue part off [12:44] careful not to hurt urself [12:44] with raw power you mean :) [12:44] unpower the router [12:45] did it [12:46] and now? [12:47] get a pin [12:48] theres a chip inside u can see it without taking the whole black part out [12:48] it says intel on it [12:48] small rectangular chip [12:48] you are describing the "shorting pins method" from the troubleshooting guide [12:48] yeah lol [12:48] i dont even use boot_wait [12:48] i just use this method, so much easier/faster [12:48] thanks, but i hoped to fix it without reseting everything - because i did set boot_wait [12:49] it doesnt reset everything [12:49] ok [12:49] it just puts the router in a constant boot_wait mode [12:49] where the power led is flashing while the others are normal? [12:50] dmz flashes every 3 seconds [12:50] ok [12:50] then just tftp ur image, take ur time, and it will go through [12:50] u can also catch the boot_wait and tftp ur image (while setting urself a static ip of 192.168.1.100/255.255.255.0/192.168.1.1) [12:51] as i said boot_wait is on and using tftp is also no problem right now [12:51] for me its easier to short pins, for u tftp boot_wait might be better [12:51] i have no ssh or telnet daemon runing on it - that's why i cant login [12:52] ok, i will do i [12:52] it [12:52] that sucks [12:52] i thought that puting another image on it will erase the jfs2 partition [12:53] that would also put the router into a vanilla state where it starts all daemons [12:53] am i wrong? [12:53] that i dont know [12:54] s0rin: not likely [12:54] s0rin: the nvram partition is there still so it should boot up on the IP/setting you had configured previously [12:54] blahee: yes it does [12:55] at least all my boxes has came up with the old config after tftp new version to boxes [12:56] blahee: and there is no way to kick the old config? [12:56] well i mean without shorting the pins [12:57] s0rin: none that i am aware off, but i am pretty much newbie on this stuff too [12:58] s0rin: but what are in there that you should be able to reset? [12:59] (something like 'nvram set clkfreq=400 ; nvram commit' ? :) [13:00] blahee: don't know for sure... last thing i did was trying to get dnsmasq run [13:00] i noticed that it didn't respond to dns queryes when _not_ started with "-d" flag (debug) [13:01] so i modifyed the startup script and appended "-d" to the dnsmasq line [13:01] i also flushed the firewall rules [13:01] then rebooted... that's all - damn thing :/ [13:03] but the tftp/upload as boot should nuke those mods, but save the IP etc. configs (as those are nvram) [13:03] s/as/at/ [13:03] yes i thought too [13:03] but it doesen't [13:04] now i have a router with dnsmasq running on it (correctly) and nothing else - no sshd no telnetd ... [13:04] the -d might be 'debug and don't fork background', so it may block the further booting [13:04] and the power led flashing like mad [13:05] well i got what i wanted - dns is ok, but i want to tweak thing further :) [13:12] damn [13:12] i cant get wiviz to work with thttpd [13:12] has anybody got it working with thttpd-php? [13:13] bye [13:35] Just a note: [13:35] If you're having problems flashing your WRT v2.2 set the clkfreq=216 in the nvram. [13:35] Seems like even the pmon driver will randomly drop packets/crash depending on the bytepatterns. [13:36] Action: RoDent grumbles about chinese hardware. [13:40] setting the freq to 216 is generally a good idea [13:59] http://www.staros.com/ are these guys legit? [14:29] hi, i am back - my router still sucks :( [15:14] !ping [15:14] usage: !ping [15:16] is there a way to run a IPSec VPN server from the WRT [15:16] (openVPN isn't good for my needs, I need something that I can use the built in clients in both Windows and Mac OS X) [15:29] ew [15:29] i mean re [15:30] Has anyone used the openssh ipkg with the experimental build? [17:39] questionk [17:40] i have successfully flashed my gs with the new code and it boots into openwrt fine [17:41] but everytime i try to set the lan_ipaddr on the router and reboot, it will no longer assign any connected device an ip address [17:42] i will only then be able to access it by setting my network settings to use a static ip [17:45] the openwrt works, but now i want to reflash it with the linksys firmware [17:46] i have boot wait set to on, but every tftp attempt that i have tried has failed [17:46] can anyone help me out? [17:47] quick ques [17:48] differences between /downloads/experimental and nbd's packages? [17:49] Vith_work, you probably want to check if dnsmasq is running without any probs [17:49] how do i do that? [17:51] Vith_work, ssh into the router, and run ps, check for process "dnsmasq" [17:51] ok.. [17:51] Vith_work, in any case it might be a good idea to kill the existing dnsmasq and run "dnsmasq -d" [17:51] manually (this sets debug mode, and you can see if dhcp is working) [17:55] it fails to read /etc/ethers and resolv.conf [17:56] that is the output [17:56] Vith_work, with the "-d" option? [17:57] yeah [17:58] and on a side note, i can ping the router but tftping it always results in a timeout [17:58] i'm tftping from a winxp box [17:59] Vith_work, you could try touching /etc/ethers and /tmp/resolv.conf; alternatively turn off the option to read /etc/ethers in /etc/dnsmasq.conf [18:00] Vith_work, i've read on openwrt.org website that tftp from windows xp is somewhat unreliable, because when xp sees the router it does some network configuration thing which clashes with the short tftp window [18:01] Vith_work, but anyway I have done tftp on xp before, so ... [18:01] (I mean successfully tftp a firmware from xp) [18:02] yes [18:02] Vith_work, no idea if this works, but may be set xp to use static ip when uploading firmware... [18:02] i do [18:03] i unplug router [18:03] start tftp -i 192.168.1.1 put [18:03] router starts [18:04] power light blinks [18:04] then dmz light turns on [18:04] tftp reports timeout [18:04] then router boots into openwrt [18:04] dmz led on -> already too late [18:06] yeah, but even when winxp ip is set to static, ip is not assigned until dmz light turns on [18:06] stupid network config [18:06] put a hub in between [18:07] i dont have one... [18:08] how about if you plug in router first, then do tftp immediately? [18:08] (type in command line first and then press enter at exact moment) [18:08] that's how I do it [18:09] tried [18:10] tftp wont do anyting until winxp assigns ip address to my comp [18:10] that is when dmz light turns on [18:10] Vith_work: that happens, as soon the nic has link [18:10] Vith_work: put a hub or switch between router and pc, then the link will be up [18:11] but tftp timeout [18:13] ok... [18:17] ok i will try again [18:22] i got nothing [18:23] another timeout [18:23] you can ping the router afterwards right? [18:23] and i ping the router and it sees it perfectly [18:23] with hub? [18:23] yeah [18:23] i will try again [18:23] have fun with knoppix [18:24] hmm.. you haven't changed the MAC address of router by any chance? [18:24] no [18:27] Vith_work, are you using port1 of router? [18:39] How fast do you wager it is for a newbie to set up experimental openwrt, from the box is fitted with cables? [18:39] (I don't use DHCP for my local machines). [18:40] dabian: depends if the "newbie" knows (linux) networking inside out :) [18:40] personally i've found various little bugs in experimental that will require time to diagnose... [18:42] Maybe I shouldn't have gone deluxe .. [18:42] Action: Dabian ordered a wd-500 deluxe [18:43] wl .. [18:44] (deluxe => experimental) [18:44] Operating Frequency 2.4 - 2.5 GHz [18:44] Is that the processor? [18:45] you wish :) [18:45] http://www.asus.com/prog/spec.asp?m=WL-%20500g%20Deluxe&langs=01 [18:45] yeah .. I would guess 100 or maybe 200MHz if lucky.. [18:46] at a glance from openwrt pages it seems like all routers are 200MHz processor [18:47] Right [18:47] I wonder what "Operating Frequency" is .. [18:48] just 802.11 frequency [18:50] could someone tell me how to find the user name and pw to my wrt54g router? [18:51] there's none unless you set it [18:53] whats so experimental about the build? [18:53] steve-ckp: Ahh .. I wont be using the wireless part. [18:57] is there a Ircd for openwrt? [18:59] blkhawk, i don't think so (have to compile yourself) [19:10] steve-ckp: thanks [19:10] I had hoped for a little minimal implementation :P [19:11] blkhawk: pircd + perl [19:11] hmmm [19:11] thanks [19:12] lets hope the perl bineary isn't too big [19:20] Action: steve-ckp goes to sleep now [19:40] !trivia start [19:40] Trivia has been started! [19:40] What bowling term means three straight strikes? [19:40] !trivia stop [19:40] Trivia has been ended. [19:57] as fun as de-bricking is [19:57] I don't think I want to do it again [21:57] I haven't seen one of you in years [22:18] Anyone try installing openssh with the experimental build? [22:22] Chaaaatzilla! [00:00] --- Tue May 17 2005