[00:09] <Kaloz> re
[00:09] <Kaloz> macsat: this is still an openwrt channel.
[00:10] <macsat> sorry
[00:21] <Dabian> Whats dd-wrt?
[00:21] <Kaloz> sveasoft based firmware with sopme openwrt stuff (jffs2 for example)
[00:22] <Dabian> Ahh .. its a proprietary firmware. :)
[00:22] <Dabian> Does openwrt support QoS?
[00:23] <Kaloz> well, i call of of those a 'mod'.. we do _alternatative_ firmware here :)
[00:23] <Kaloz> sure
[00:24] <Dabian> So, buying a device, and using this firmware, I should have no serious problems creating a bridging firewall with QoS for my SIP device(s) and music streams?
[00:25] Action: Dabian doesn't have a device yet ..
[00:25] <Dabian> I was considering buying a soekris ... but then I heard of this one..
[00:26] <Dabian> I don't need it wireless, though.
[00:28] <Dabian> Kaloz: The wrt54g .. it does both wireless and 4 ethernet ports + the wan, right?
[00:28] <Kaloz> basically the answerr is yes
[00:29] <Kaloz> truly, it has 2 interfaces, an ethernet and a wireless
[00:29] <Kaloz> the ethernet is connected to a 5 port switch, and that's vlan'ed for wan and lan
[00:29] <Dabian> ok
[00:30] <Kaloz> if this is a problem (eg. thouthput lan<->wan), there are units, that have real wan ports, too
[00:30] <Dabian> Kaloz: Well .. if you need to firewall .. the vlan needs to be rather hermetic
[00:30] <Kaloz> the only problem is, that you're on your own to get it work.. for example, the buffalo wzr-rs-g54 is a monster, but i wasn't able to get it work remotely for jopi
[00:31] <Kaloz> but if i get one, it will be supported, too
[00:31] <Dabian> Kaloz: So for now, only wrt54g is supported?
[00:31] <Kaloz> no, w lot of units, already
[00:32] <Kaloz> for the best comparison, chekc http://openwrt.org/TableOfHardware
[00:32] <Dabian> They're all covered by this channel?
[00:32] <Kaloz> check even
[00:32] Action: Kaloz just woke up =)
[00:32] <Kaloz> yep
[00:35] <Dabian> Ah .. it lacks price, unfortunately :/
[00:39] <Kaloz> price won't tell you anything
[00:40] <Kaloz> for example, i live in Hungary, Europe
[00:41] <Dabian> Well .. the relative price
[00:41] <Dabian> I know I can get the wrt54g for less than 600 kroners.
[00:42] <Dabian> 65 euros
[00:42] <Kaloz> most of the units are around that, with minimal differences
[00:42] <Dabian> Kaloz: Hungary .. I don't remember if you're in the EU?
[00:43] <Kaloz> pre-N, netgear, and vpn stuff are more expensive
[00:43] <Kaloz> yes, we are.. for a year now :)
[00:43] <Dabian> Netgear is/was a nice brand
[00:43] <Dabian> Kaloz: :-)
[00:43] <Kaloz> it is, just more expensive then the others :)
[00:43] <Dabian> vpn stuff usually demands a heavy CPU.
[00:44] <Dabian> Sometimes specialised hardware.
[00:44] <Kaloz> true. most units have 4mb flash and 16mb ram, some has 32mb
[00:44] <Dabian> 32mb would be optimal .. because you can route with large windows in linux kernel then.
[00:44] <Kaloz> for example, that buffalo wzr-rs-g54 has 8mb flash and 64mb ram :p and 300mhz cpu instead the usual 200mhz one
[00:45] <Dabian> Why so small flash? I also guess the flash cannot be replaced when worn out?
[00:45] <Kaloz> Dabian: for now, if i cna suggest smg, go for the asus wl-500g deluxe. that has even 2x usb2.0 ports, too
[00:46] <Kaloz> as long as you don't keep the logfiles there, the flash will die later then the 802.11g stuff :P
[00:46] <Dabian> 4Mb flash
[00:46] <Kaloz> and to be honest, 4mb is enough for almost everything
[00:46] <Dabian> Hmm .. I don't have any wireless stuff yet.
[00:46] <TornadoQ> Kaloz, do you know of anyone who has done a transfer speed test with a USB HD connected to a wl-500g?
[00:47] <Kaloz> TornadoQ: wl500g or wl500g deluxe? :)
[00:47] <TornadoQ> Kaloz, deluxe of course ;)
[00:47] <Kaloz> TornadoQ: they are different units :)
[00:47] <TornadoQ> Dabian, I didn't buy my WRT54G(and S) for the wireless part.. ;)
[00:48] <Dabian> TornadoQ: :)
[00:48] <Kaloz> TornadoQ: well, nbd tested it a few month ago, it was around 3-4MB/s.. but usb died sometimes.. but as i said, it was months before, and we already have a new kernel and such
[00:48] <Kaloz> TornadoQ: just noone tested the usb stuff since
[00:48] Action: Kaloz just wanted to have a silent little box instead of the x86 router at home
[00:49] <olli_04> Hi, I have prolems running openntpd on openwrt/experimental. The /var/log/messages contain:
[00:49] <olli_04> May 15 10:46:18 OpenWrt kern.crit /usr/sbin/ntpd[32365]: dispatch_imsg in main: pipe closed
[00:49] <olli_04> May 15 10:46:18 OpenWrt kern.info /usr/sbin/ntpd[32365]: Terminating
[00:49] <Kaloz> the whole openwrt developing sterted from that moment for myself :P
[00:49] <olli_04> Can you help?
[00:49] <Dabian> I fail to understand how 4 MB can be enough .. the soekris unit I was considering equipping with 512MB :-P
[00:49] <TornadoQ> Kaloz, okay, thanks. I was afraid the USB transfer speed might not be as one would expect on a little box like that ;)
[00:49] <Kaloz> olli_04: what hw?
[00:49] <olli_04> Kaloz: It's a wrt54g v1.0
[00:49] <Kaloz> TornadoQ: to be hnest, with the factory firmware it's under 2mb :P
[00:50] <TornadoQ> Kaloz, heh, that sucks ;)
[00:50] <Kaloz> olli_04: hmz.. wait for wbx then, maybe those old units have problems, still.. eg. the broadcom wlan driver makes the asus 500g unstable, too
[00:50] <Kaloz> Dabian: sec
[00:51] <olli_04> Kaloz: no way to fix it?
[00:53] <Kaloz> olli_04: wait for new drivers. but as is said, i'm not sure this problem has anything to do with the wrt 1.0
[00:54] <Kaloz> Dabian
[00:54] <Kaloz> root@chusuk:~# echo Installed: $(ipkg status | grep Package: | cut -d: -f2 | tr -d '\n')
[00:55] <Kaloz> Installed: bridge busybox bwm dnsmasq dropbear ipkg iptables kmod-brcm-et kmod-brcm-wl kmod-diag kmod-sched kmod-tun kmod-wlcompat libpcap openntpd openssl openvpn openwrt-utils tc tcpdump wireless-tools zlib
[00:55] <Kaloz> and i have still 356K available space :p
[00:55] <Dabian> Is it possible to emulate this stuff with qemu or something?
[00:55] <Dabian> nice
[00:56] <Dabian> nntpd? You run a news server on the unit?
[00:56] <Kaloz> so as i said, 4mb is enough for almost everything, but 8 is enough for sure :)
[00:56] <Kaloz> Dabian: that was openntpd
[00:57] <Dabian> You have some QoS ... (I don't understand all the packages, but I assume you're bridging)
[00:57] <Kaloz> ntp daemon - http://www.openntpd.org/
[00:57] <Dabian> ahh
[00:57] <Dabian> Your box knows the time. :)
[00:57] <Kaloz> :)
[00:57] <antimac> Is there a way to change the timezone?
[00:57] <Kaloz> yep, i do bridging, vpn via openvpn, qos, and so on
[00:58] <Kaloz> antimac: edit /etc/TZ
[00:58] <Dabian> Kaloz: So you have a shell, you do qos and bridging.
[00:58] <olli_04> Kaloz: If I don't use the /etc/init.d/S49ntpd start script to start, and just fire it up with ntpd it worked, strange.
[00:58] <olli_04> May 15 10:56:21 OpenWrt kern.info /usr/sbin/ntpd[4217]: Terminating
[00:58] <olli_04> May 15 08:56:24 OpenWrt kern.info ntpd[4312]: ntp engine ready
[00:58] <olli_04> May 15 08:56:39 OpenWrt kern.info ntpd[4312]: peer 193.131.101.50 now valid
[00:58] <Kaloz> Dabian: yeah. and i have tcpdump there, as it can come handy :)
[00:58] <Dabian> QoS .. what algoritmn is recommended? I assume some of them are not too good .. but what I want, is for 3 things to get high priority.
[00:58] <Kaloz> olli_04: did you rebooted after install?
[00:59] <Dabian> 1. My SIP phone .. 2. My games .. 3. My music (2 and 3 are mutually exclusive)
[00:59] <Kaloz> Dabian: well, for now i do simple shaping, and i use cbq for that. but there is a wondershaper package, too if you want that
[00:59] <olli_04> Kaloz: No. Did I need?
[00:59] <Kaloz> olli_04: afaik it has to create a user for ntpd
[01:00] <Dabian> Kaloz: The most important thing is that I don't get jitter in my sip-phone.
[01:00] <Kaloz> olli_04: grep ntp /etc/passwd
[01:00] <Dabian> I do get that now, if I do a heavy download or so.
[01:01] <Dabian> (I havn't figured out how to configure the firewall yet .. so I might as well wait til I get a new one).
[01:01] <Kaloz> Dabian: well, if you give priority to the sip packets, it should work fine
[01:01] <olli_04> Kaloz: there is a user entry for ntpd: ntp:x:50:50:ntp:/tmp/.ntp:/bin/false
[01:01] <Dabian> Kaloz: Cool
[01:02] <Kaloz> olli_04: heh, strange then
[01:02] <Dabian> kaloz : You also use remote sysloghost, it seems?
[01:02] <olli_04> kaloz: I'll try a reboot now, lets see
[01:03] <Kaloz> Dabian: not right now, but i want to.. and get rrdtool or smg for statistics
[01:03] <Dabian> Kaloz: It is possible, right?
[01:04] <Kaloz> sure :) everything is possible
[01:04] <Dabian> (now, that is) :)
[01:04] <Kaloz> Dabian: with 8mb flash, even snmp would be easy :p
[01:04] <Dabian> The deluxe only has 4 though. :)
[01:05] <Dabian> oh .. btw .. I need to know about this vlan .. for my setup is unusual.
[01:05] <Dabian> I wont be doing nat.
[01:05] <Dabian> All my local hosts will have real ip numbers .. thats why I need a bridging firewall.
[01:06] <Kaloz> you don't have to do nat. you can, and it does by default, but you don't have to
[01:06] <Dabian> Well, this desktop machine I am at .. it can have nat.
[01:07] <Dabian> But my servers (and SIP) will have "real" ip numbers.
[01:08] <Dabian> maybe I do one of "the big unsupported bastards" with "real" wan ethernet?
[01:08] <Dabian> s/do one/do want one/
[01:08] <Dabian> Or can I do this with vlan?
[01:08] <Dabian> (I never really played with vlan)
[01:09] <Kaloz> imho you can do it easily with vlans, too
[01:09] <Kaloz> pick your poison :)
[01:10] <antimac> Are the "eth0:x" interfaces vlans?
[01:10] <TornadoQ> antimac, ethx:y are usually aliased interfaces
[01:10] <Dabian> Kaloz: Well, if I can do it secure with the vlan .. no reason to bother handling one of the simi-/un-supported monsters. ;-)
[01:10] <Kaloz> no, those are alias interfaces
[01:11] <antimac> Ah, thx
[01:12] <Kaloz> Dabian: vlan operates in osi layer 2 and 3 (if I recall right)
[01:12] <Dabian> IP?
[01:12] <Dabian> Ethernet?
[01:12] <TornadoQ> i think it's in layer 2 only
[01:13] <Dabian> Ahh .. on
[01:13] <Dabian> lemme think.
[01:13] <Kaloz> Dabian: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VLAN :)
[01:13] <Dabian> mac adress
[01:13] <Dabian> hmm
[01:14] <Dabian> Then I have a problem if I get spoofed mac adresses, right?
[01:14] <Kaloz> depends :)
[01:14] <Dabian> Right :)
[01:14] <Dabian> If I can configure each port differently :)
[01:14] <Dabian> Hmm .. this is even more secure than simple IP-filtering. :)
[01:15] <y354C> Hi.
[01:15] <Dabian> Why has the shops closed on sundays? :-P
[01:15] <Kaloz> :D
[01:15] <antimac> yes
[01:15] <Dabian> Kaloz: This leads me back to my question .. can I simulate this in software somehow?
[01:16] <Kaloz> Dabian: openwrt/the hardware/vlans/what? :)
[01:16] <Dabian> Kaloz: As much as possible ... I want to prepare as much of the setup as possible.
[01:16] <Kaloz> Dabian: well, to be honest, imho you overestimate the problems =)
[01:16] <Dabian> I have a production site (not like government site, or commercial, but I still want to minimize the downtime)
[01:17] <y354C> There's mips54emul.
[01:17] <Kaloz> Dabian: imho you can set everything up in 20 minutes or so
[01:17] <Dabian> Kaloz: I am glad to hear it.
[01:17] <y354C> But no one's really gotten that to work yet.
[01:17] <Dabian> Wow ..I couldn't even set up QoS on my current firewall that fast, and it isn't even a bridge :)
[01:18] <Dabian> y354C: ok
[01:18] <y354C> Just get two routers.
[01:18] <Kaloz> Dabian: just read the docs in the wiki, and don't fear to ask if you have a problem
[01:18] <Dabian> cool
[01:18] <Kaloz> usually there are a lot of ppl here
[01:18] <Dabian> Now I need to find a shop where I can buy the deluxe
[01:19] <Dabian> (I assume that is the one I want) :)
[01:19] <Kaloz> I assume, you're right :)
[01:19] <Dabian> :)
[01:19] <Dabian> I was told its hard to find shops ..
[01:19] <Kaloz> if you need the 8mb flash, you can go for the linksys wrt54gs, too.. but linksys hw isn't that nice
[01:19] <Kaloz> Dabian: where do you live?
[01:19] <Dabian> Denmark
[01:20] <y354C> The Deluxe is ugly though.
[01:20] <Dabian> I have a car though, so I can drive to germany.
[01:20] <Dabian> y354C: Oh?
[01:20] <Kaloz> Dabian: http://www.edbpriser.dk/Listprices.asp?ID=117359
[01:21] <Kaloz> hmz.. or this is just a 500g? sec
[01:21] <Dabian> Its in EDB priser?
[01:21] <Dabian> wow :)
[01:21] <y354C> See? Ugly.
[01:22] <Dabian> Now, why does anyone buy a soekris, unless they want VPN?
[01:22] <Dabian> y354C: Oh . the looks?
[01:22] <Dabian> Yeah .. its ugly alright ;-)
[01:22] <Kaloz> wait, that's just an 500, not a deluxe
[01:22] <Dabian> :-P
[01:22] <Kaloz> http://www.edbpriser.dk/Listprices.asp?ID=134800
[01:22] <TornadoQ> Dabian, http://www.edbpriser.dk/Listproducts.asp?ID=67&Sort=Wanted&Soegeord=500g
[01:23] <Dabian> I found it
[01:23] <TornadoQ> I thought of buying one of those myself, but decided to go for the gs because of the extra RAM and flash ;)
[01:23] <TornadoQ> Where in Denmark do you l ive, Dabian?
[01:23] <Dabian> they have 2 different deluxe?
[01:23] <Kaloz> TornadoQ: it has the same amount of ram :p only the flash is bigger
[01:23] <TornadoQ> Dabian, I wondered that too.. comparing the specs
[01:24] <TornadoQ> Kaloz, guess I must've compared gs with the non-deluxe model then ;)
[01:24] <Kaloz> TornadoQ: but you can plug a pendrive into the usb ;)
[01:24] <Kaloz> TornadoQ: that way the gs is a joke :)
[01:24] <Kaloz> Dabian: there is only 1 deluxe
[01:25] <TornadoQ> Kaloz, I didn't think of it that way :)
[01:25] <Dabian> a pendrive in the USB .. that sounds like a nice idea.
[01:26] <[Jolt]> kaloz: do you have any strong opinion on how to deal with the nvram config stuff on the netgear?
[01:26] <TornadoQ> According to edbpriser, "they" have different product codes
[01:26] <Dabian> oh
[01:26] <Dabian> What about dhcp?
[01:27] <Kaloz> [Jolt]: skip it. i always wanted /etc/network/interfaces =)
[01:27] <Dabian> I know udhcpd
[01:27] <Dabian> but I am not sure if that one supports to give IP based on MAC address..
[01:27] <Kaloz> we use dnsmasq
[01:27] <TornadoQ> Dabian, openwrt went to use dnsmasq instead
[01:27] <[Jolt]> kaloz: yeah in my opinion we should migrate openwrt to config files
[01:27] <Dabian> Whats that?
[01:28] <[Jolt]> and provide some helper on the others to merge the nvram into config files...
[01:28] <Dabian> udhcpd is made for embedded devices.
[01:28] <Dabian> (I use it on my firewall/gateway right now though)
[01:28] <Kaloz> Dabian: embedded dhcpd + caching dns server
[01:28] <Dabian> ahh nice
[01:28] <Dabian> I run caching dns on my server right now.
[01:29] <Dabian> Well, it also does local dns .. but
[01:29] <Dabian> I guess I can do without the local dns, by using global dns for local assignments.
[01:29] <TornadoQ> dnsmasq does that too as long as you don't expects zonetransfers and fancy stuff
[01:29] <Dabian> Kaloz: Does it support giving ip based on MAC?
[01:29] <TornadoQ> expect even
[01:29] <wbx> moin
[01:29] <Dabian> TornadoQ: Not yet :)
[01:30] <Dabian> wow .. I look forward to getting this thing. :)
[01:30] <Kaloz> Dabian: yep
[01:30] <Kaloz> moin wbx
[01:30] <Kaloz> [Jolt]: and what do you think about the mail i wrote? :p
[01:31] <[Jolt]> kaloz: well i have to play a bit with all the stuff to get an impression ...
[01:31] <[Jolt]> kaloz: but the future goal should be to have only one kernel config and only one a global bcm47xx platform
[01:31] <TornadoQ> Dabian, consider it as any "normal" linux machine.. just smaller, slower, lesser disk space but makes no noise :)
[01:31] <[Jolt]> kaloz: right now i think we dont have the infrastructure to do so ...
[01:32] <Dabian> TornadoQ: The last point is important!
[01:32] <[Jolt]> kaloz: we need some more kernel auto detection
[01:32] <Dabian> TornadoQ: I am getting crazy from all these scsi disks.
[01:32] <Dabian> I just have to move my mailservice to the webserver.
[01:32] <[Jolt]> kaloz: and we need to remove the nvram dependency in userspace
[01:32] <Dabian> I assume that it would be crazed to try and run a mailserver on a wrt ;-)
[01:33] <[Jolt]> kaloz: bottom line: in the short term we'll need some sort of platform for each supported AP
[01:33] <Dabian> Wear out the flash in no time. :)
[01:33] <Kaloz> [Jolt]: well, we have to get the br into shape first. eg. it should build a usable image for the wgt, with some hardcoded defaults.
[01:33] <TornadoQ> Dabian, like Kaloz said before you can use USB sticks :)
[01:33] <Kaloz> [Jolt]: thennbd (he is the br guru) can help usi ntegrate it cleanly :p
[01:33] <wbx> Kaloz: yes, and it should be flexible enough to work with other platforms as ti based routers.
[01:34] <[Jolt]> kaloz: the one in cvs should build a image ... all that needs to be done is to fiure out a clever way to flash it and to fix up all the nvram
[01:35] <Kaloz> [Jolt]: really? nice.. :) i will get the -tiny stuff into it, too, is it okay with you?
[01:35] <[Jolt]> kaloz: sure!
[01:35] <Kaloz> wbx: sure. and it should even handle my own porting efforts, too :P
[01:35] <wbx> [Jolt]: do you think we need to compile the toolchain with kernel26 headers to get a working system?
[01:36] <[Jolt]> wbx: no .. there is no need to do that
[01:36] <[Jolt]> well actually it depends of what you're going to do
[01:36] <wbx> [Jolt]: so one toolchain for 2.4 and 2.6 based images is enough?
[01:36] <[Jolt]> some userspace apps might need up to date headers
[01:37] <wbx> I am just thinking what is the best way to have 2.4 and 2.6 based images created in parallel.
[01:37] <[Jolt]> wbx: depends on the packages...
[01:37] <y354C> Huh.
[01:37] <wbx> or do we need two complete builds?
[01:37] <y354C> We have a 2.6 kernel now?
[01:38] <wbx> [Jolt]: you are right, there are many apps using some kernel headers.(fuse, or such a stuff)
[01:38] <Kaloz> y354C: for the wgt634u. and for other stuff, if you don1t care about the wireless
[01:39] <y354C> Someone should beg mjn3 for his thunking layer.
[01:39] <wbx> y354C: no chance.
[01:39] <y354C> wbx: ?
[01:40] <wbx> y354C: he will never publish it.
[01:40] <Ge0rG> it should be possible to compile the build system and the apps with 2.4 headers and then to use them with a 2.6 kernel
[01:40] <wbx> Ge0rG: sure, but some external kernel modules need headers from 2.6 tree.
[01:41] <y354C> Hmm.
[01:41] <Kaloz> Dabian: http://openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Faq?highlight=%28boot_dev%29#head-fec22a58192326746ed931ba93c55ae06d407eff
[01:41] <y354C> Finally found a copy of Tiger that burns correctly frommy PC.
[01:41] <Kaloz> Dabian: http://openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Faq?highlight=%28boot_dev%29#head-5291466a18a44598c0c99bd1f2f75b020ab029c3
[01:45] <[Jolt]> the wl driver we're using .. is that the most recent / most capable one?
[01:47] <Kaloz> no, the latest netgear wg602 v3 tarball has a newer one (but that means newer includes, too)
[01:47] <Kaloz> if noone does it before, i take a look at it next week
[01:47] <Ge0rG> I wonder how they managed to get a linux image in less than 2mb on the wg602 v2
[01:48] <Kaloz> Ge0rG: openwrt is maller then 2mb, too :P
[01:48] <Kaloz> Ge0rG: they simply don't need jffs and other features
[01:49] <Ge0rG> Kaloz: not including the kernel though
[01:49] <Kaloz> including the kernel.
[01:49] <Ge0rG> oh. oops
[01:49] <Kaloz> http://openwrt.org/downloads/experimental/
[01:49] <Kaloz> take a look at the squashfs ones
[01:50] <Kaloz> and the wg602 is an ap/bridge only
[01:50] <Ge0rG> yep, I'm running exp. for almost two months now :)
[01:50] <Kaloz> if you remove the additional features from openwrt, you can fit there easily
[01:50] <[Jolt]> kaloz: 3.90.7.0 is the most recent driver?
[01:51] <Kaloz> if that's the one in that tarball, then yes. i didn't checked it myself
[01:52] <[Jolt]> ok thanks
[01:52] <Kaloz> [Jolt]: btw, it would be good to unify the broadcom includes in 2.4 and 2.6
[01:52] <Kaloz> [Jolt]: no idea, what stuff is different, tho
[01:52] <moua> anyone here with an asus wl 500g ?
[01:52] <olli_04> Kaloz: I reflashed my router and tryed openntpd again. It looks like it starts now, but I get when I do:
[01:52] <olli_04> root@OpenWrt:~# rdate -s localhost
[01:52] <olli_04> rdate: Unable to connect to remote host (127.0.0.1): Connection refused
[01:53] <Dabian> Oh .. how do I upgrade the firmware to openwrt?
[01:53] <Kaloz> Ge0rG: bte, the reay interesting stuff will be the asus wl700g :p
[01:53] <Kaloz> olli_04: rdate??
[01:53] <Ge0rG> Kaloz: whats inside if the wl700g?
[01:53] <Dabian> From GNU/Linux?
[01:53] <Kaloz> Dabian: http://openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Installing
[01:54] <Kaloz> Ge0rG: we only know for sure, that it can include a 3,5" hdd, and it has usb, too.. usual wireless and (form the infos) wired stuff
[01:54] <Dabian> Kaloz: So it is possible?
[01:54] <Dabian> (Thats all I need to know for now ;-)
[01:54] <Ge0rG> Kaloz: hm... I hope they put a chipset inside which is capable of transferring 11.5mbyte/s from ide to lan
[01:54] <Kaloz> Ge0rG: if you ask me, i say it will be a broadcom 4780 with minipci, and 8mb flash and 32mb ram :) IMGO :)
[01:54] <Kaloz> def_: sure
[01:54] <Kaloz> err
[01:55] <Kaloz> Dabian: sure
[01:55] <Dabian> Good .. Debian is my only OS :)
[01:55] <olli_04> Kaloz: I also get an error with ntpclient: recvfrom: Connection refused
[01:55] <Kaloz> Ge0rG: we will se.. btw, it will be smg like this
[01:56] <Kaloz> Ge0rG: http://www.tomsnetworking.com/Reviews-195-ProdID-STINAS250-1.php
[01:56] <Kaloz> olli_04: logread :p to be honest, it's hard to track down a problem remotely
[01:57] <Kaloz> Ge0rG: specially i mean this page: http://www.tomsnetworking.com/Reviews-195-ProdID-STINAS250-8.php
[01:59] <wbx> Kaloz: if i am ready today with the graphics for my talk, i will try to cleanup the kernel stuff. if not you can do it next week :}
[01:59] Action: wbx hates to create graphics. xfig and dia are so shitty
[01:59] <Kaloz> :)
[01:59] <Ge0rG> dia just sucks... but there is nothing which sucks less :(
[02:00] <Kaloz> wbx: check that link :P if the wl700g will have a switchh, too, then it will be a winner
[02:00] <wbx> i even compile kivio shit on my kde free openbsd desktop, but it includes no cool icons for access points
[02:00] <Kaloz> wbx: and to be honest, it seems that this simpletech stuff _HAS_ that aes thingie activated
[02:01] <Ge0rG> the simpletech looks really really neat
[02:01] <Kaloz> wbx: so we have to get a gpl tarball, if we're lucky, we can activate at least the RNG on the deluxe and the wgt =)
[02:01] <Kaloz> Ge0rG: imho the wl700g will be the same just with wireless =)
[02:01] <wbx> Kaloz: you are a fan of this rng stuff ;=)
[02:02] <Kaloz> wbx: to be honest, it would give us a real /dev/random, and it would speed up openssl a 'bit'
[02:03] <wbx> Kaloz: i did not know that you are interested in really good cryptography on wrt ;=)
[02:03] <Ge0rG> neither /dev/random nor openssl really need that much of aes... the only thing where it really matters is disk encryption :)
[02:03] <wbx> no, random data is really important.
[02:04] Action: Ge0rG though of getting a VIA Epia board with the new C3 cpu revision (and builtin AES) just as a disk server. but via has really bad pci performance
[02:04] <Ge0rG> wbx: you can overwrite your disk with random noise really fast? ;)
[02:05] <macsat> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdX would do the trick ;-)
[02:05] <Kaloz> macsat: heh, dream on
[02:06] <TornadoQ> macsat, that's not much random ;)
[02:06] <Kaloz> macsat: if you overwrite it 9 times with different stuff, then it can help
[02:06] <wbx> macsat: what it will do? will it help to get better security on my desk?
[02:07] <Ge0rG> if you only store encrypted data on your disk, you don't need to overwrite it with random bits
[02:07] <Kaloz> macsat: 8 times overwritten data (overwritten with random stuff even) can be recovered :P
[02:08] <Kaloz> http://www.dealtime.com/xPO-SimpleShare_STI_NAS_160
[02:08] <Kaloz> hmz.. it isn't that expensive
[02:08] <Kaloz> i hope someone buys one and can publish the gpl tarball
[02:09] <Ge0rG> Kaloz: do you have a source for the 8-times-overwrite-info?
[02:10] <Kaloz> Ge0rG: we have a nice company in hungary, named Kürt
[02:10] <Kaloz> http://www.kurt.hu/
[02:10] <Kaloz> you can select the language in the top right
[02:11] <Kaloz> Ge0rG: even the cia takes some drives to them for recovery =P
[02:11] <Kaloz> Ge0rG: and i'm not joking :P
[02:12] <Kaloz> http://www.sallandautomatisering.nl/default.php?pid=9360&ref=2 <-- hmz, available in the netherlands
[02:16] <Overand> is this chan *strictly* for openWRT discussion?
[02:16] <Overand> ah.
[02:17] <Overand> Well, this is a hardware question, I'll ask in here for kicks. Have you noticed cranking the TX power causing router instability not just re: wifi,but causing the whole thing to crash?
[02:17] <Kaloz> sure
[02:18] <Ge0rG> Kaloz: but I still don't see on their website if they can recover data which is several times overwritten
[02:18] <Overand> Maybe I'll stick a fan on the thing. Already brought the power level down a few notches.
[02:19] <Ge0rG> Overand: yep, the devices get hot when operated out of spec
[02:19] <olli_04> Kaloz: is it normal that there are two processes of ntpd running (one as user ntp and one as root)?
[02:19] <Overand> is there a sort of generally stable power in mW that I should stick to?
[02:20] <Overand> like, is it common to have problems above a certain level, etc.
[02:22] <Kaloz> olli_04: yes
[02:24] <Kaloz> Overand: openwrt uses the default power of the driver, it's around 100mw or so
[02:24] <Ge0rG> Overand: I think nobody really evaluated that yet... try staing under 20dBi
[02:24] <Overand> thanks.
[02:24] <Overand> I'll speak with you guys agian, some day, perhaps.
[02:24] <Ge0rG> root@wrt54g:~# wl txpwr
[02:24] <Ge0rG> txpwr is 255
[02:25] <Ge0rG> but thats already way too much
[02:25] <Overand> Ugh, why is it that when I'm up so late I talk like a non-native english speaker?
[02:25] <Overand> oh well. peace
[02:25] <Kaloz> Ge0rG: that value doesn't mean anything
[02:25] <olli_04> Kaloz: If i do logread | grep -i ntp the result is empty, what information do you need to see whats happen
[02:25] <Ge0rG> Kaloz: so where can I see the actual tx power?
[02:25] <Kaloz> olli_04: strace?
[02:26] <Kaloz> Ge0rG: no idea :D
[02:26] <Ge0rG> Kaloz: :P
[02:34] <Dabian> ok
[02:34] <Dabian> I think I have order one now.
[02:34] <Dabian> (I always have trouble with these online buying things)
[02:35] <Dabian> I found out after I ordered it, that I didn't even check if it really had 4 rj-45 .. but I found out your memory was right, Kaloz :)
[02:36] <Kaloz> :)
[02:36] <Kaloz> gotta run :) cya :)
[02:36] <Dabian> right . thanks for the help :)
[02:37] <Dabian> I'll be back whining when I got the thing and cannot get it working ;-)
[04:28] <nettie> nbd: ping
[04:40] <alejandro> hm, where is the wl package?
[04:42] <roadrunner> ipkg install wl
[04:42] <alejandro> root@OpenWrt:~# ipkg install wl
[04:42] <alejandro> ipkg_get_install: ERROR: Cannot find package wl in /usr/lib/ipkg/lists
[04:44] <roadrunner> ipkg update
[04:44] <roadrunner> btw pkgt <enter> and you see the parameter for ipkg
[04:45] <alejandro> roadrunner: I have run ipkg update before.
[04:46] <alejandro> I'm using experimental sources:
[04:47] <alejandro> src experimental http://openwrt.org/downloads/experimental/bin/packages
[04:47] <alejandro> src openwrt http://openwrt.org/ipkg
[04:48] <roadrunner> wait i'll take a look to my wrt
[04:49] <roadrunner> btw you are right ... there is no wl package on openwrt.org/ipkg
[04:50] <HiDDeN-> wlc?
[04:51] <roadrunner> alejandro: i have to sources for packages in my ipkg.conf
[04:51] <roadrunner> src experimental http://openwrt.org/downloads/experimental/bin/packages
[04:51] <roadrunner> src openwrt http://openwrt.org/ipkg
[04:52] <alejandro> HiDDeN-: yeah, I have wlc.
[04:52] <roadrunner> but wlc is not the same as wl
[04:52] <alejandro> right, I can look the noise and other things I would like to know..
[04:53] <alejandro> s/can/can't/g
[04:57] <sap> hi, i'm trying to setup shorewall on a wrt54g. when i try to save the config (using shorewall save) i get a seg fault. it looks like it's coming from iptables-save. does anyone know anything about this?
[04:57] <sap> i'm using the config that you get by default from wojjie.net
[04:58] <sap> as given on the wiki
[05:01] <roadrunner> alejandro: try this source http://212.91.225.42/sven-ola/ipkg/
[05:05] <alejandro> roadrunner: thanks, now I can use wl. :)
[05:06] <roadrunner> thats really a problem of openwrt ... many packages distributed over many sources/server :(
[05:10] <sap> is there a way of telling which server a package was installed from?
[05:19] <Blackvel> who is around from LA?
[05:23] <sheskar> Hi. Can I still find the "stable" firmware images anywhere?
[05:25] <AzzIzzA> http://openwrt.org/downloads/
[05:27] Action: dumpedcore calls into the void of #wrt54g, "[mbm]!!! where art thou [mbm]?!!!"
[05:27] <Javi> how long
[05:28] <dumpedcore> hey javi
[05:28] <dumpedcore> real long
[05:29] Action: dumpedcore has pretzels.
[05:29] <dumpedcore> Javi: how's things?
[05:30] <coder> fine
[05:31] <dumpedcore> coder: good to hear.
[05:31] <coder> working on some shit
[05:31] <coder> what about you?
[05:31] <coder> and the web interface
[05:31] <dumpedcore> going well
[05:31] <dumpedcore> i can show you, if you're curious
[05:31] <coder> nice
[05:31] <coder> I am
[05:32] <dumpedcore> i'll just add an ipt rule for you.
[05:56] <olli_04> Hi, I have problem with openntpd. Here is a output of logread | grep ntp:
[05:56] <olli_04> Jan 1 00:00:20 (none) kern.info /usr/sbin/ntpd[451]: listening on 192.168.1.15
[05:56] <olli_04> Jan 1 00:00:21 (none) kern.info /usr/sbin/ntpd[451]: ntp engine ready
[05:56] <olli_04> Jan 1 00:00:36 (none) kern.info /usr/sbin/ntpd[451]: peer 212.97.63.99 now valid
[05:56] <olli_04> Jan 1 01:01:22 (none) kern.info /usr/sbin/ntpd[450]: adjusting local clock by 169480289.514003s
[05:56] <olli_04> Jan 1 01:01:22 (none) kern.crit /usr/sbin/ntpd[450]: adjtime failed: Invalid argument
[06:02] <wbx> olli_04: you need to sync your clock first with rdate.
[06:02] <wbx> olli_04: if you use pppoe, then add /usr/sbin/rdate time.fu-berlin.de to /etc/ppp/ip-up
[06:18] <olli_04> I think openntpd is working now, but only without the -s parameter in S49ntpd script. But I can't sync clients clock with the wrt54g's openntpd server.
[06:18] <olli_04> May 15 14:15:13 (none) kern.info /usr/sbin/ntpd[454]: listening on 192.168.1.15
[06:18] <olli_04> May 15 14:15:13 (none) kern.info /usr/sbin/ntpd[454]: ntp engine ready
[06:18] <olli_04> May 15 14:15:28 (none) kern.info /usr/sbin/ntpd[454]: peer 194.67.106.186 now valid
[06:18] <olli_04> I have already listen on in ntpd.conf but can't sync
[06:21] <sheskar> Why can't I set an encryption key on eth1 in my wrt54gs? I get this error: Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) : SET failed on device eth1 ; Invalid argument.
[06:22] <sheskar> wl0_key1 doesn't work as well.
[06:25] <sheskar> Oh, wl0_wep is on disabled. Well... :)
[06:27] <outsidefactor> what did I miss?
[06:27] <xavi> wrt: yes?
[06:28] <outsidefactor> sorry
[06:28] <outsidefactor> wrong window
[06:28] <fan-fan> better this
[06:28] <fan-fan> one
[06:28] <fan-fan> :P
[06:29] <fan-fan> jopi: feo :P
[06:33] <fan-fan> one question...
[06:33] <fan-fan> someone has suscessfuly setup a pppoe-server on a openwrt??
[06:33] <fan-fan> successfully... sorry
[06:33] <fan-fan> :P
[06:36] <zamba> nbd: you got what i said yesterday?
[06:57] <thermoman> hi. is it possible to limit upload/download bandwith on a per switch port basis with wrt54g?
[07:04] <fan-fan> per switch port?
[07:04] <fan-fan> maybe with vlan per switch port?
[07:06] <y354C> You could program the switch chip itself.
[07:07] <fan-fan> so you aply qos per vlan
[07:07] <fan-fan> apply
[07:08] <thermoman> is there a firmware available which can do this?
[07:08] <fan-fan> i think alchemy does
[07:08] <fan-fan> via web
[07:08] <fan-fan> easily
[07:09] <thermoman> ok
[07:09] <thermoman> is this planned to implement it in openwrt?
[07:10] <thermoman> cause it's a nice feature when you want to play online games and your neighbour is using p2p :)
[07:11] <y354C> You can't do it by IP address?
[07:12] <thermoman> this would be ok too
[07:12] <y354C> Sounds like you want regular QoS anyway.
[07:12] <coder> rofl, installing drivers on windows seems an oddisey
[07:13] <fan-fan> thermoman: ahms.. y354C is right.. u can do this by ip
[07:14] <fan-fan> thermoman: just set up a qos on wan iface
[07:19] <sheskar> Does the pppd in experimental still use /etc/ppp/ip-up after connect?
[07:24] <fan-fan> sheskar: it seems like not
[07:24] <fan-fan> http://openwrt.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1334
[08:28] <Tuxevara> HEEELP
[08:30] <Tuxevara> my asus wl500g deluxe is broadcasting the ssid but wl0_closed=1
[08:31] <Tuxevara> my linksys wrt54gs has the same setting but does not broadcast the ssid
[08:32] <Tuxevara> okay forget what i sayed .. seems to be a kismet problem...doing iwlist eth1 scan does see nothing
[08:51] <nbd> hello, world!
[08:56] <jnc> nbd: yo
[08:56] <jnc> nbd: i have a question for you about the gcc34 image
[08:57] <nbd> jnc: then ask...
[08:57] <jnc> nbd: before i upgraded to the nbd/gcc34 wrt54gs image, i had dropbear set up to pay attention to /root/.ssh/authorized_keys
[08:57] <jnc> should that work now with the gcc34 image?
[08:57] <jnc> i'm having trouble with that
[08:57] <nbd> i don't see a reason why this should not work
[08:58] <nbd> no dropbear-related stuff changed with the compiler switch
[08:58] <jnc> ah okay
[08:58] <nbd> this is just a cvs compile
[08:58] <jnc> the other one is a segfault in the vi program
[08:58] <jnc> i haven't been able to reproduce it yet
[08:58] <jnc> when i do, i'll let you know
[08:59] <nbd> k. thx
[08:59] <jnc> i gotta say, this is a pretty "solid feeling" smooth install
[09:00] <nbd> good to hear... we're working on getting things as stable and easy as possible
[09:00] <jnc> many thanks :)
[09:00] <nbd> now that dumpedcore has returned, we'll even get a web interface soon
[09:02] <jnc> yay
[09:02] <Ge0rG> dumpedcore is still alive?
[09:02] <twolife> mmm... any idee why i have a "/path/to/my/apps/IPKG_BUILD.$(PID)/tarX" file inside the data.tar.gz generated by "../ipkg_utils/ipkg-build -c ./ipkg/myapps/" ? i really don't understand
[09:02] <jnc> nbd: authorized_keys would reside in /root/.ssh/authorized keys, correct?
[09:04] <Ge0rG> jnc: only after you change root's home directory
[09:04] <jnc> ohhh!
[09:05] <jnc> nbd: would it make sense to add a /root directory and make that be $HOME ?
[09:05] <jnc> (from a standpoint of the openwrt distro)
[09:05] <nbd> Ge0rG: yeah. he was on irc a few times in the last days
[09:05] <Ge0rG> nbd: cool :)
[09:05] <nbd> Ge0rG: and he'll integrate his stuff soon
[09:05] <nbd> jnc: you can do that
[09:05] <jnc> i will
[09:06] <nbd> jnc: don't know if we'll change openwrt to that, though
[09:06] <jnc> i'm wondering if /tmp is there for any particular reason
[09:06] <nbd> jnc: most people don't seem to need it
[09:06] <jnc> 'k
[09:06] <nbd> twolife: why are you using ipkg-build directly?
[09:09] <twolife> nbd: just to test some things before create the .ipk 'in the right way'
[09:09] <nbd> twolife: it's much easier to use the right way from the beginning, trust me
[09:09] <nbd> twolife: you just have to copy&paste a few files and change a few lines
[09:12] <twolife> nbd: mm, yes you're right, with the new template in the makefile, it is fast :)
[09:12] <twolife> nbd: aaarg, i have a bigger problem now, even 'official' package in /bin/packages/ have this file :/
[09:13] <nbd> what packages?
[09:13] <twolife> all of them
[09:13] <nbd> all of them? let me check...
[09:15] <nbd> twolife: well... not in my build
[09:15] <nbd> twolife: i have never seen this behavior
[09:15] <nbd> twolife: what official packages do you mean?
[09:15] <twolife> nbd: ip, dnsmasq, ...
[09:16] <nbd> downloaded from openwrt.org?
[09:16] <nbd> or in your build?
[09:16] <twolife> my build from cvs
[09:16] <nbd> from when is your cvs checkout?
[09:16] <nbd> what machine are you building on?
[09:17] <twolife> just do "cvs update -PdA" before the make
[09:18] <nbd> twolife: when did you check out that thing initially?
[09:19] <wbx> jnc: i seen this, too. (dropbear, authorized_keys)
[09:20] <wbx> jnc: but i did not found a solution, yet.
[09:20] <twolife> nbd: hu ? i updated to the new cvs, "make", coffee, next i just try to build a package with ipkg_utils/ipkg-build, and there was this file in data.tar.gz
[09:20] <wbx> jnc: it worked nice with an older build... (2.4.29 based.)
[09:20] <wbx> nbd: hi
[09:20] <nbd> twolife: i mean did you have an older checkout which you updated with cvs ?
[09:20] <nbd> wbx: hi
[09:22] <twolife> nbd: yes, it was a cvs from 2 weeks, i think. but i will now try with a clean cvs, not with an updated one
[09:24] <nbd> twolife: do that
[09:25] <nbd> twolife: most package makefiles have changed since two weeks ago
[09:36] <nbd> twolife: btw. what package are you working on?
[09:39] <twolife> nbd: it was mini_httpd (because busybox's httpd don't have ipv6 support), but unlike packages posted on the forum, i don't need ssl support
[09:40] <Ge0rG> hm... my wrt keeps telling me there are no more free pseudo-ttys, but /dev/pts is mounted and there is at least one pty inside
[09:41] <nbd> twolife: don't do that... i have a package with matrixssl support that isn't in cvs yet
[09:41] <nbd> twolife: my package builds two versions
[09:41] <nbd> twolife: one with matrixssl an one without it
[09:42] <twolife> nbd: hoo cool :)
[09:42] <nbd> twolife: haven't had the time to test it yet, but if you want, i can send you the package dir
[09:42] <nbd> Ge0rG: which package tells you that?
[09:42] <twolife> nbd: ho yes i want it :)
[09:42] <nbd> twolife: wait a sec...
[09:44] <nbd> twolife: http://openwrt.inf.fh-brs.de/~nbd/mini_httpd.tar.gz
[09:44] <Ge0rG> nbd: l2tpd.. it starts looking at /dev/ptyp0 and incrementing, instead of going to /dev/pts/
[09:44] <nbd> Ge0rG: probably you need to patch the configure script to detect, that /dev/pts should be used (if the package has support for that)
[09:44] <twolife> nbd: thank you
[09:45] <Ge0rG> nbd: I think so... but I haven't yet checked out the experimental cvs... needed all my time for reallife :/
[09:46] <nbd> twolife: i used nico's patch for matrixssl support and changed it so that it can build the non-ssl version at the same time
[09:47] <twolife> nbd: ok thank you, i will try when the 'new clean' cvs will be build.
[09:48] <nbd> i'm currently building a fresh version, too
[09:48] <nbd> especially my sdk needs an update so that people can use the new package format with it
[09:51] <don-o> how can i mount the flashram so that files i create are stored there?
[09:52] <nbd> don-o: no need to do that manually
[09:52] <nbd> don-o: if you flashed openwrt, you have a writable filesystem already
[09:52] <don-o> hmm. its got openwrt but i loose the data in /tmp on every reboot
[09:53] <nbd> don-o: /tmp is in ram
[09:53] <nbd> don-o: /var too
[09:53] <don-o> ah.
[09:53] <judge> btw is it known that dnsmasq in the experimental is broken?
[09:54] <don-o> Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
[09:54] <don-o> /dev/root 896 896 0 100% /rom
[09:54] <don-o> /dev/mtdblock/4 2240 508 1732 23% /
[09:54] <nbd> judge: broken? how?
[09:54] <don-o> is mtdblock/4 the flashram? and if so why is it only 2.2MB?
[09:54] <don-o> i thought it should be 4MB.
[09:55] <judge> nbd: it doesnt want to give out dhcp on my gs
[09:55] <judge> says a strange error
[09:55] <judge> like no dhcp range for br0
[09:55] <judge> or something
[09:55] <judge> even tho the dnsmasq.conf file appears to be ok
[09:55] <nbd> don-o: read this: http://openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Installing#head-9a1c0e2c668d2ffa21cac23cb97de9b8d1e78138
[09:55] <jnc> judge: be sure to edit /etc/dnsmasq.conf to suit your network, and make sure /etc/ethers is 644 if you're using it
[09:55] <judge> nbd: but other than that openwrt is quite a neat toy
[09:56] <judge> oh, what's /etc/ethers
[09:56] <nbd> judge: please try my updated build from http://openwrt.org/downloads/nbd/gcc34/
[09:56] <judge> nbd: will do
[09:56] <nbd> judge: /etc/ethers is for setting up static dhcp<->ip mappings
[09:56] <judge> ok
[09:56] <judge> i'll do this when i get back to my gs
[09:57] <nbd> k
[09:57] <judge> thanks for the tips
[09:57] <nbd> if it doesn't work, please post in the forums
[09:57] <judge> k
[09:58] <don-o> nbd: ah that explains it. thanks for the link.
[09:59] <don-o> what im trying to do is write a script that associates to any open AP, gets a DHCP address and says hello on an irc channel (or some other action)
[09:59] <don-o> i've got the wrt54g on a battery on the back of my bicycle. i want it to jump on the internet via different APs as I bike around town.
[10:00] <jnc> cool.
[10:00] <jnc> i don't know how to help w/ that, it sounds like a practical application
[10:01] <don-o> the wrt54g takes 0.45amps @ 12VDC. a $18 leadacid battery from fry's electronics will run the AP for 8 hours. its pretty cool.
[10:03] <jnc> i wonder what the watt rating is
[10:03] <jnc> been a while since i've done electronics
[10:03] <jnc> i'd like to see how the wrt54g stacks up versus a lightbulb
[10:04] <nbd> don-o: should work
[10:07] <don-o> is it possible to get voltage readings from the board?
[10:08] <nbd> i don't think there's support for that on the board
[10:08] <nbd> broadcom probably hasn't added any sensors for that
[10:09] <twolife> nbd: it seems there is a problem with the new cvs, i have just extract data.tar.gz from a random .ipk in bin/packages/ and there is a "/home/twolife/..../bin/packages/IPKG_BUILD.$(PID)/tarX" file (and yes this is a clean tree, cvs without additionnal patch)
[10:11] <nbd> twolife: i'll have a look at my own frash build
[10:12] <nbd> twolife: nope. not in my build
[10:12] <twolife> :/
[10:12] <nbd> twolife: what's the full path to your buildroot?
[10:13] <twolife> nbd: /home/twolife/wrt54g/openwrt/ and the file in data.tar.gz is /home/twolife/wrt54g/openwrt/bin/packages/IPKG_BUILD.$(PID)/tarX
[10:14] <nbd> really strange
[10:14] <don-o> how can i tell what version of openwrt is installed on this wrt54g?
[10:14] <nbd> don-o: if you don't know, you probably have an old version :)
[10:14] <don-o> yeah its old.
[10:15] <nbd> don-o: if you want a new build, then get this one: http://openwrt.org/downloads/nbd/gcc34/
[10:15] <don-o> is there any compelling reason to upgrade? what ive got seems to work fine.
[10:15] <nbd> don-o: we always improve stuff... i don't know all the changes, because _a_lot_ has changed
[10:16] <nbd> twolife: i just unpacked _all_ ipkgs that i have... no sign of any directory containing the string 'IPKG'
[10:17] <twolife> nbd: ok i know ! i downgraded the tar package from my sid (1.15.1-1 to 1.14-2) and all is ok now
[10:18] <nbd> oh. weird
[10:18] <nbd> well... that's one reason why i don't use sid :)
[10:18] Action: nbd uses sarge on the desktop (now sarge-amd64)
[10:19] <twolife> nbd: yes and now sarge is frozen so no new tar for you :)
[10:20] <nbd> who wants a new tar anyway?
[10:20] <nbd> the old one works just fine :)
[10:23] <nbd> ok. have to go now... cu
[10:23] Action: nbd hates having to be on dialup
[10:24] <twolife> dialup is evil :o
[11:45] <rvhi> is there a php package for openwrt?
[11:46] <Blackvel> for what?
[11:46] <Blackvel> webserver?
[11:47] <Blackvel> aint that useless on a router?
[11:53] <hrzags11> rvhi : yes, few of them
[12:31] <twolife> ping nbd
[12:51] <nettie> nbd: ping
[13:00] <Ge0rG> dumpedcore! \o/
[13:00] <dumpedcore> hey ge0rg - how's things?
[13:01] <Ge0rG> dumpedcore: life is great... and I've got some time for hacking... how are you? we missed you here
[13:01] <dumpedcore> :-) i'm okay... getting better.
[13:01] <dumpedcore> i should show you the web interface.
[13:01] <dumpedcore> getting really close to releasing it
[13:01] <dumpedcore> finally started developing it again :)
[13:02] <dumpedcore> wrote a new module that lets you set /etc/TZ
[13:02] <dumpedcore> (any idea how hard it is to source the ulibc timezone string :)
[13:02] <dumpedcore> ended up having to get creative, and used a mix of cut, sed and tr to cut it into the bits I required
[13:03] <Schuyler> three cheers for the UNIX tools philosophy
[13:03] <dumpedcore> :-)
[13:03] <dumpedcore> it's a dirty hack - but it works well.
[13:04] <dumpedcore> AEST-10AEDT,M10.5.0/03:00:00,M3.5.0/03:00:00
[13:04] <dumpedcore> ^^^^ this was generated by my timezone program
[13:04] <dumpedcore> and the scary thing is - it can source it back, too
[13:04] <dumpedcore> it's not just a write-only
[13:05] <jopi> dumpedcore: wonderful
[13:05] <jopi> dumpedcore: when will it be available for testing?
[13:05] <hrzags11> dumedcore: look under OpenWrtDOc dir :)
[13:05] <dumpedcore> hrz: what's there?
[13:05] <hrzags11> OpenWrtDocs/httpd
[13:06] <dumpedcore> oh, there's fucking documentation
[13:06] <dumpedcore> too late now I figured it all out the hard way :)
[13:06] <dumpedcore> ge0rg: i'll show you, if you like.
[13:07] <hrzags11> dumpedcore: but still with your initial help :)
[13:08] <dumpedcore> :)
[13:08] <Ge0rG> dumpedcore: sure! :)
[13:08] <dumpedcore> ge0rg: i'll query you the port and ip
[13:11] <dumpedcore> btw - anyone know why dnsmasq isn't reading my /etc/hosts and /etc/ethers ?
[13:12] <dumpedcore> it's got world readable permissions?
[13:13] <Josephus> dumpedcore: can i have a look too?
[13:14] <dumpedcore> yep.
[13:14] <dumpedcore> querying you.
[13:35] <ab0oo> has anyone any experience with nbd's imagebuilder?
[13:47] <lemmy> is wpa working with the experimental build? i'm asking myself if the linksys nas tool is binary compatible to the experimental build?
[13:48] <dumpedcore> yes
[13:48] <dumpedcore> nas works
[13:49] <lemmy> thx
[13:49] <dumpedcore> there's a package with the binary
[13:49] <dumpedcore> or you can just copy it over to /usr/bin yourself.
[13:50] <nettie> hey guys, I just made some modificatio to build_mipsel/iptables-1.31 and I would like to build a fresh image, I tried to issue a make clean inside iptables source dir but didnt work, anyone know how to I clean and build again please? (exp-build#)
[13:53] <wbx> nettie: TOPDIR=`pwd` make -C package/iptables clean compile
[13:53] <nettie> ah
[13:53] <nettie> nice .. thanx wbx :) how's going with cables?
[13:53] <wbx> not very well.
[13:54] <wbx> seems to be unsupported under linux.
[13:54] <nettie> damn :( what's wrong?
[13:54] <nettie> all cables?
[13:54] <wbx> all the same cables.
[13:54] <nettie> uhmmm
[13:55] <nettie> have you tried soldering the max?
[13:55] <wbx> have no time to hack on this. will be away up to friday... next weekend I have time to investigate.
[13:55] <nettie> vacation?
[13:55] <wbx> nettie: no. i have the stuff, but no idea how to solder this stuff correctly
[13:55] <nettie> or work?
[13:55] <wbx> work.
[13:55] <nettie> ah
[13:56] <nettie> wbx: I'll have a pretty busy week too, if I find the time I'll build a cable and send it to you as well
[13:56] <wbx> 3 minutes left, tomorrow i need to concentrate and finish up some stuf.
[13:56] <wbx> nettie: no. just wait, next week i will visit a friend...
[13:56] <nettie> Igot a couple of max and ds
[13:56] <nettie> ah ok then :)
[13:57] <wbx> i don't want to rip you off.
[13:57] <wbx> and i have already the hardware..
[13:58] <wbx> i am off, see you later
[13:58] <nettie> ;)
[13:58] <nettie> ehe
[13:58] <nettie> it's fine, we're here to help eachother
[13:58] <wbx> later this week ;)
[13:58] <nettie> I'm sure you'll do the same
[13:58] <nettie> ok
[13:58] <nettie> have a nice week
[13:58] <nettie> and a good trip
[13:58] <nettie> ciao
[14:03] Action: dumpedcore 's extremely insecure solution to his dnsmasq privlege problem.
[14:03] <dumpedcore> ps ax|grep dnsmasq
[14:03] <dumpedcore> 6980 root 436 S /usr/sbin/dnsmasq -u=root
[14:03] <dumpedcore> :-)
[14:46] <Ge0rG> hm... pppd is kernel oopsing on me... :/
[14:48] <Ge0rG> maybe I should get the modules from the same source as the kernel. *fetch*compile*
[15:03] <Ge0rG> nbd: which experimental branch are you using?
[16:03] <Ge0rG> aaah! client mode is much better than wet
[16:44] <Ge0rG> nbd: the image builder in tested bails out when I don't have an image for motorola built... the relevant line is "cp addpattern trx motorola-bin sed mkfs.jffs2 mksquashfs-lzma $openwrt/build_mipsel/OpenWrt-ImageBuilder-Linux-i686-1/utils"
[17:48] <ab0oo> can someone check my ipkg repository and let me know if it's available: http://www.wildcatwireless.net/wrt54g/Packages
[18:45] <ab0oo> does anyone know what the pushbutton behind the cisco emblam on a wrt54g 2.2 does?
[18:45] <ab0oo> s/emblam/emblem/g
[19:07] <kousi> has anyone complained about random disconnects with the newest firmware?
[19:18] <ab0oo> wireless disconnects, kousi ?
[19:18] <kousi> im all but sure its rebooting..
[19:19] <kousi> thus disconnecting all the computers..
[19:19] <ab0oo> what does uptime tell you? can you confirm the reboot that way?
[19:19] <kousi> yeah its 21 min uptime
[19:19] <kousi> it should be...like 5 hours
[19:19] <ab0oo> hmm. what build?
[19:20] <kousi> the most recent one with squashfs :|
[19:20] <kousi> i just put it on there last night
[19:20] <ab0oo> what hardware?
[19:20] <kousi> wrt54g v1
[19:21] <ab0oo> hmm, I know that there was an issue two nights ago with random reboots in certain hardware, but nbd was talking about it, and I didn't follow up for the whole story. I'm using 2.2 hw with squashfs, but I just flashed it 20 minutes ago.
[19:23] <kousi> i think while i was downloading the disconnects were more frequent..
[19:23] <ab0oo> do you have hosts on the wan and lan sides that you can run ttcp on?
[19:24] <kousi> negative
[19:24] <kousi> maybe i'll go back to official firmware :(
[19:25] <ab0oo> I know there's an issue, but the firmware guys are the best source of answers. sorry. nbd hasn't been around all day.
[19:25] <kousi> thanks anyway :D
[19:25] <ab0oo> I'm doing everything I can to brick mine, don't follow suit.. :)
[19:25] <kousi> hah.
[19:35] <zamba> ab0oo: that was my wrt
[19:35] <zamba> ab0oo: i believe
[19:35] <zamba> but i had random reboots when running kismet_drone on 1.1
[19:35] <zamba> but, not anymore.. instead i have issues with kismet_drone itself
[19:36] <ab0oo> sounds like kousi's problem is traffic related.
[19:36] <zamba> i have a wrt back home that reboots every other day
[19:36] <zamba> for no reason
[19:36] <zamba> running stable, though
[19:36] <zamba> so it could be hardware related
[19:37] <ab0oo> I have wrts that I have to force to reboot everyday. They are core routers in my mesh, and after 3 or 4 days they simply stop passing traffic and get flaky.
[19:37] <ab0oo> I have some with uptimes of 60 days, to. weird.
[19:37] <zamba> yeah
[19:38] <zamba> i've had a highly trafficed router at that uptime myself
[19:38] <zamba> so it all seems kinda random
[19:39] <ab0oo> I'm having some issues with my radios coming up on the wrong channel, right now.
[19:41] <zamba> strange
[19:43] <ab0oo> I have a mesh with 30 radios, and the entire network lost power at the same time. when power came up (at the same time), the radios went into ad-hoc mode on whatever channel they felt like, and ignored the explicit commands int he startup scripts to come up on channel 1.
[19:43] <ab0oo> so I had several mesh network islands that couldn't talk to each other. highly frustrating.
[21:20] <grelli> hmmmm
[21:20] <grelli> the power light is blinking on my GS... it seems to be behaving as a simple switch
[21:42] <k0usi> i reset the nvram and filesystem...lets see how it goes
[21:50] <kousi> that didnt seem to fix it eh
[22:11] <k0usi> definitely not.
[23:38] <Smilzo> i need some help about support of wag54g
[23:55] <z3ro> Smilzo: a few of us are working on it.
[23:57] <Smilzo> z3ro: i suppose that now isn't working ? ;)
[23:57] <z3ro> I've got a kernel to boot on it already.
[23:58] <Smilzo> i'm looking for
[23:59] <Smilzo> the "best" model of linksys to buy
[23:59] <Smilzo> is the wag isn't supported, i'll thing about a wrt54gs
[23:59] <Smilzo> is a good choise ?
[23:59] <z3ro> well, that depends on what you want... if you want adsl your would have to get either the wag54g or the ag2?? (forgot the exact model number)
[00:00] --- Mon May 16 2005
[00:09] <Kaloz> macsat: this is still an openwrt channel.
[00:10] <macsat> sorry
[00:21] <Dabian> Whats dd-wrt?
[00:21] <Kaloz> sveasoft based firmware with sopme openwrt stuff (jffs2 for example)
[00:22] <Dabian> Ahh .. its a proprietary firmware. :)
[00:22] <Dabian> Does openwrt support QoS?
[00:23] <Kaloz> well, i call of of those a 'mod'.. we do _alternatative_ firmware here :)
[00:23] <Kaloz> sure
[00:24] <Dabian> So, buying a device, and using this firmware, I should have no serious problems creating a bridging firewall with QoS for my SIP device(s) and music streams?
[00:25] Action: Dabian doesn't have a device yet ..
[00:25] <Dabian> I was considering buying a soekris ... but then I heard of this one..
[00:26] <Dabian> I don't need it wireless, though.
[00:28] <Dabian> Kaloz: The wrt54g .. it does both wireless and 4 ethernet ports + the wan, right?
[00:28] <Kaloz> basically the answerr is yes
[00:29] <Kaloz> truly, it has 2 interfaces, an ethernet and a wireless
[00:29] <Kaloz> the ethernet is connected to a 5 port switch, and that's vlan'ed for wan and lan
[00:29] <Dabian> ok
[00:30] <Kaloz> if this is a problem (eg. thouthput lan<->wan), there are units, that have real wan ports, too
[00:30] <Dabian> Kaloz: Well .. if you need to firewall .. the vlan needs to be rather hermetic
[00:30] <Kaloz> the only problem is, that you're on your own to get it work.. for example, the buffalo wzr-rs-g54 is a monster, but i wasn't able to get it work remotely for jopi
[00:31] <Kaloz> but if i get one, it will be supported, too
[00:31] <Dabian> Kaloz: So for now, only wrt54g is supported?
[00:31] <Kaloz> no, w lot of units, already
[00:32] <Kaloz> for the best comparison, chekc http://openwrt.org/TableOfHardware
[00:32] <Dabian> They're all covered by this channel?
[00:32] <Kaloz> check even
[00:32] Action: Kaloz just woke up =)
[00:32] <Kaloz> yep
[00:35] <Dabian> Ah .. it lacks price, unfortunately :/
[00:39] <Kaloz> price won't tell you anything
[00:40] <Kaloz> for example, i live in Hungary, Europe
[00:41] <Dabian> Well .. the relative price
[00:41] <Dabian> I know I can get the wrt54g for less than 600 kroners.
[00:42] <Dabian> 65 euros
[00:42] <Kaloz> most of the units are around that, with minimal differences
[00:42] <Dabian> Kaloz: Hungary .. I don't remember if you're in the EU?
[00:43] <Kaloz> pre-N, netgear, and vpn stuff are more expensive
[00:43] <Kaloz> yes, we are.. for a year now :)
[00:43] <Dabian> Netgear is/was a nice brand
[00:43] <Dabian> Kaloz: :-)
[00:43] <Kaloz> it is, just more expensive then the others :)
[00:43] <Dabian> vpn stuff usually demands a heavy CPU.
[00:44] <Dabian> Sometimes specialised hardware.
[00:44] <Kaloz> true. most units have 4mb flash and 16mb ram, some has 32mb
[00:44] <Dabian> 32mb would be optimal .. because you can route with large windows in linux kernel then.
[00:44] <Kaloz> for example, that buffalo wzr-rs-g54 has 8mb flash and 64mb ram :p and 300mhz cpu instead the usual 200mhz one
[00:45] <Dabian> Why so small flash? I also guess the flash cannot be replaced when worn out?
[00:45] <Kaloz> Dabian: for now, if i cna suggest smg, go for the asus wl-500g deluxe. that has even 2x usb2.0 ports, too
[00:46] <Kaloz> as long as you don't keep the logfiles there, the flash will die later then the 802.11g stuff :P
[00:46] <Dabian> 4Mb flash
[00:46] <Kaloz> and to be honest, 4mb is enough for almost everything
[00:46] <Dabian> Hmm .. I don't have any wireless stuff yet.
[00:46] <TornadoQ> Kaloz, do you know of anyone who has done a transfer speed test with a USB HD connected to a wl-500g?
[00:47] <Kaloz> TornadoQ: wl500g or wl500g deluxe? :)
[00:47] <TornadoQ> Kaloz, deluxe of course ;)
[00:47] <Kaloz> TornadoQ: they are different units :)
[00:47] <TornadoQ> Dabian, I didn't buy my WRT54G(and S) for the wireless part.. ;)
[00:48] <Dabian> TornadoQ: :)
[00:48] <Kaloz> TornadoQ: well, nbd tested it a few month ago, it was around 3-4MB/s.. but usb died sometimes.. but as i said, it was months before, and we already have a new kernel and such
[00:48] <Kaloz> TornadoQ: just noone tested the usb stuff since
[00:48] Action: Kaloz just wanted to have a silent little box instead of the x86 router at home
[00:49] <olli_04> Hi, I have prolems running openntpd on openwrt/experimental. The /var/log/messages contain:
[00:49] <olli_04> May 15 10:46:18 OpenWrt kern.crit /usr/sbin/ntpd[32365]: dispatch_imsg in main: pipe closed
[00:49] <olli_04> May 15 10:46:18 OpenWrt kern.info /usr/sbin/ntpd[32365]: Terminating
[00:49] <Kaloz> the whole openwrt developing sterted from that moment for myself :P
[00:49] <olli_04> Can you help?
[00:49] <Dabian> I fail to understand how 4 MB can be enough .. the soekris unit I was considering equipping with 512MB :-P
[00:49] <TornadoQ> Kaloz, okay, thanks. I was afraid the USB transfer speed might not be as one would expect on a little box like that ;)
[00:49] <Kaloz> olli_04: what hw?
[00:49] <olli_04> Kaloz: It's a wrt54g v1.0
[00:49] <Kaloz> TornadoQ: to be hnest, with the factory firmware it's under 2mb :P
[00:50] <TornadoQ> Kaloz, heh, that sucks ;)
[00:50] <Kaloz> olli_04: hmz.. wait for wbx then, maybe those old units have problems, still.. eg. the broadcom wlan driver makes the asus 500g unstable, too
[00:50] <Kaloz> Dabian: sec
[00:51] <olli_04> Kaloz: no way to fix it?
[00:53] <Kaloz> olli_04: wait for new drivers. but as is said, i'm not sure this problem has anything to do with the wrt 1.0
[00:54] <Kaloz> Dabian
[00:54] <Kaloz> root@chusuk:~# echo Installed: $(ipkg status | grep Package: | cut -d: -f2 | tr -d '\n')
[00:55] <Kaloz> Installed: bridge busybox bwm dnsmasq dropbear ipkg iptables kmod-brcm-et kmod-brcm-wl kmod-diag kmod-sched kmod-tun kmod-wlcompat libpcap openntpd openssl openvpn openwrt-utils tc tcpdump wireless-tools zlib
[00:55] <Kaloz> and i have still 356K available space :p
[00:55] <Dabian> Is it possible to emulate this stuff with qemu or something?
[00:55] <Dabian> nice
[00:56] <Dabian> nntpd? You run a news server on the unit?
[00:56] <Kaloz> so as i said, 4mb is enough for almost everything, but 8 is enough for sure :)
[00:56] <Kaloz> Dabian: that was openntpd
[00:57] <Dabian> You have some QoS ... (I don't understand all the packages, but I assume you're bridging)
[00:57] <Kaloz> ntp daemon - http://www.openntpd.org/
[00:57] <Dabian> ahh
[00:57] <Dabian> Your box knows the time. :)
[00:57] <Kaloz> :)
[00:57] <antimac> Is there a way to change the timezone?
[00:57] <Kaloz> yep, i do bridging, vpn via openvpn, qos, and so on
[00:58] <Kaloz> antimac: edit /etc/TZ
[00:58] <Dabian> Kaloz: So you have a shell, you do qos and bridging.
[00:58] <olli_04> Kaloz: If I don't use the /etc/init.d/S49ntpd start script to start, and just fire it up with ntpd it worked, strange.
[00:58] <olli_04> May 15 10:56:21 OpenWrt kern.info /usr/sbin/ntpd[4217]: Terminating
[00:58] <olli_04> May 15 08:56:24 OpenWrt kern.info ntpd[4312]: ntp engine ready
[00:58] <olli_04> May 15 08:56:39 OpenWrt kern.info ntpd[4312]: peer 193.131.101.50 now valid
[00:58] <Kaloz> Dabian: yeah. and i have tcpdump there, as it can come handy :)
[00:58] <Dabian> QoS .. what algoritmn is recommended? I assume some of them are not too good .. but what I want, is for 3 things to get high priority.
[00:58] <Kaloz> olli_04: did you rebooted after install?
[00:59] <Dabian> 1. My SIP phone .. 2. My games .. 3. My music (2 and 3 are mutually exclusive)
[00:59] <Kaloz> Dabian: well, for now i do simple shaping, and i use cbq for that. but there is a wondershaper package, too if you want that
[00:59] <olli_04> Kaloz: No. Did I need?
[00:59] <Kaloz> olli_04: afaik it has to create a user for ntpd
[01:00] <Dabian> Kaloz: The most important thing is that I don't get jitter in my sip-phone.
[01:00] <Kaloz> olli_04: grep ntp /etc/passwd
[01:00] <Dabian> I do get that now, if I do a heavy download or so.
[01:01] <Dabian> (I havn't figured out how to configure the firewall yet .. so I might as well wait til I get a new one).
[01:01] <Kaloz> Dabian: well, if you give priority to the sip packets, it should work fine
[01:01] <olli_04> Kaloz: there is a user entry for ntpd: ntp:x:50:50:ntp:/tmp/.ntp:/bin/false
[01:01] <Dabian> Kaloz: Cool
[01:02] <Kaloz> olli_04: heh, strange then
[01:02] <Dabian> kaloz : You also use remote sysloghost, it seems?
[01:02] <olli_04> kaloz: I'll try a reboot now, lets see
[01:03] <Kaloz> Dabian: not right now, but i want to.. and get rrdtool or smg for statistics
[01:03] <Dabian> Kaloz: It is possible, right?
[01:04] <Kaloz> sure :) everything is possible
[01:04] <Dabian> (now, that is) :)
[01:04] <Kaloz> Dabian: with 8mb flash, even snmp would be easy :p
[01:04] <Dabian> The deluxe only has 4 though. :)
[01:05] <Dabian> oh .. btw .. I need to know about this vlan .. for my setup is unusual.
[01:05] <Dabian> I wont be doing nat.
[01:05] <Dabian> All my local hosts will have real ip numbers .. thats why I need a bridging firewall.
[01:06] <Kaloz> you don't have to do nat. you can, and it does by default, but you don't have to
[01:06] <Dabian> Well, this desktop machine I am at .. it can have nat.
[01:07] <Dabian> But my servers (and SIP) will have "real" ip numbers.
[01:08] <Dabian> maybe I do one of "the big unsupported bastards" with "real" wan ethernet?
[01:08] <Dabian> s/do one/do want one/
[01:08] <Dabian> Or can I do this with vlan?
[01:08] <Dabian> (I never really played with vlan)
[01:09] <Kaloz> imho you can do it easily with vlans, too
[01:09] <Kaloz> pick your poison :)
[01:10] <antimac> Are the "eth0:x" interfaces vlans?
[01:10] <TornadoQ> antimac, ethx:y are usually aliased interfaces
[01:10] <Dabian> Kaloz: Well, if I can do it secure with the vlan .. no reason to bother handling one of the simi-/un-supported monsters. ;-)
[01:10] <Kaloz> no, those are alias interfaces
[01:11] <antimac> Ah, thx
[01:12] <Kaloz> Dabian: vlan operates in osi layer 2 and 3 (if I recall right)
[01:12] <Dabian> IP?
[01:12] <Dabian> Ethernet?
[01:12] <TornadoQ> i think it's in layer 2 only
[01:13] <Dabian> Ahh .. on
[01:13] <Dabian> lemme think.
[01:13] <Kaloz> Dabian: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VLAN :)
[01:13] <Dabian> mac adress
[01:13] <Dabian> hmm
[01:14] <Dabian> Then I have a problem if I get spoofed mac adresses, right?
[01:14] <Kaloz> depends :)
[01:14] <Dabian> Right :)
[01:14] <Dabian> If I can configure each port differently :)
[01:14] <Dabian> Hmm .. this is even more secure than simple IP-filtering. :)
[01:15] <y354C> Hi.
[01:15] <Dabian> Why has the shops closed on sundays? :-P
[01:15] <Kaloz> :D
[01:15] <antimac> yes
[01:15] <Dabian> Kaloz: This leads me back to my question .. can I simulate this in software somehow?
[01:16] <Kaloz> Dabian: openwrt/the hardware/vlans/what? :)
[01:16] <Dabian> Kaloz: As much as possible ... I want to prepare as much of the setup as possible.
[01:16] <Kaloz> Dabian: well, to be honest, imho you overestimate the problems =)
[01:16] <Dabian> I have a production site (not like government site, or commercial, but I still want to minimize the downtime)
[01:17] <y354C> There's mips54emul.
[01:17] <Kaloz> Dabian: imho you can set everything up in 20 minutes or so
[01:17] <Dabian> Kaloz: I am glad to hear it.
[01:17] <y354C> But no one's really gotten that to work yet.
[01:17] <Dabian> Wow ..I couldn't even set up QoS on my current firewall that fast, and it isn't even a bridge :)
[01:18] <Dabian> y354C: ok
[01:18] <y354C> Just get two routers.
[01:18] <Kaloz> Dabian: just read the docs in the wiki, and don't fear to ask if you have a problem
[01:18] <Dabian> cool
[01:18] <Kaloz> usually there are a lot of ppl here
[01:18] <Dabian> Now I need to find a shop where I can buy the deluxe
[01:19] <Dabian> (I assume that is the one I want) :)
[01:19] <Kaloz> I assume, you're right :)
[01:19] <Dabian> :)
[01:19] <Dabian> I was told its hard to find shops ..
[01:19] <Kaloz> if you need the 8mb flash, you can go for the linksys wrt54gs, too.. but linksys hw isn't that nice
[01:19] <Kaloz> Dabian: where do you live?
[01:19] <Dabian> Denmark
[01:20] <y354C> The Deluxe is ugly though.
[01:20] <Dabian> I have a car though, so I can drive to germany.
[01:20] <Dabian> y354C: Oh?
[01:20] <Kaloz> Dabian: http://www.edbpriser.dk/Listprices.asp?ID=117359
[01:21] <Kaloz> hmz.. or this is just a 500g? sec
[01:21] <Dabian> Its in EDB priser?
[01:21] <Dabian> wow :)
[01:21] <y354C> See? Ugly.
[01:22] <Dabian> Now, why does anyone buy a soekris, unless they want VPN?
[01:22] <Dabian> y354C: Oh . the looks?
[01:22] <Dabian> Yeah .. its ugly alright ;-)
[01:22] <Kaloz> wait, that's just an 500, not a deluxe
[01:22] <Dabian> :-P
[01:22] <Kaloz> http://www.edbpriser.dk/Listprices.asp?ID=134800
[01:22] <TornadoQ> Dabian, http://www.edbpriser.dk/Listproducts.asp?ID=67&Sort=Wanted&Soegeord=500g
[01:23] <Dabian> I found it
[01:23] <TornadoQ> I thought of buying one of those myself, but decided to go for the gs because of the extra RAM and flash ;)
[01:23] <TornadoQ> Where in Denmark do you l ive, Dabian?
[01:23] <Dabian> they have 2 different deluxe?
[01:23] <Kaloz> TornadoQ: it has the same amount of ram :p only the flash is bigger
[01:23] <TornadoQ> Dabian, I wondered that too.. comparing the specs
[01:24] <TornadoQ> Kaloz, guess I must've compared gs with the non-deluxe model then ;)
[01:24] <Kaloz> TornadoQ: but you can plug a pendrive into the usb ;)
[01:24] <Kaloz> TornadoQ: that way the gs is a joke :)
[01:24] <Kaloz> Dabian: there is only 1 deluxe
[01:25] <TornadoQ> Kaloz, I didn't think of it that way :)
[01:25] <Dabian> a pendrive in the USB .. that sounds like a nice idea.
[01:26] <[Jolt]> kaloz: do you have any strong opinion on how to deal with the nvram config stuff on the netgear?
[01:26] <TornadoQ> According to edbpriser, "they" have different product codes
[01:26] <Dabian> oh
[01:26] <Dabian> What about dhcp?
[01:27] <Kaloz> [Jolt]: skip it. i always wanted /etc/network/interfaces =)
[01:27] <Dabian> I know udhcpd
[01:27] <Dabian> but I am not sure if that one supports to give IP based on MAC address..
[01:27] <Kaloz> we use dnsmasq
[01:27] <TornadoQ> Dabian, openwrt went to use dnsmasq instead
[01:27] <[Jolt]> kaloz: yeah in my opinion we should migrate openwrt to config files
[01:27] <Dabian> Whats that?
[01:28] <[Jolt]> and provide some helper on the others to merge the nvram into config files...
[01:28] <Dabian> udhcpd is made for embedded devices.
[01:28] <Dabian> (I use it on my firewall/gateway right now though)
[01:28] <Kaloz> Dabian: embedded dhcpd + caching dns server
[01:28] <Dabian> ahh nice
[01:28] <Dabian> I run caching dns on my server right now.
[01:29] <Dabian> Well, it also does local dns .. but
[01:29] <Dabian> I guess I can do without the local dns, by using global dns for local assignments.
[01:29] <TornadoQ> dnsmasq does that too as long as you don't expects zonetransfers and fancy stuff
[01:29] <Dabian> Kaloz: Does it support giving ip based on MAC?
[01:29] <TornadoQ> expect even
[01:29] <wbx> moin
[01:29] <Dabian> TornadoQ: Not yet :)
[01:30] <Dabian> wow .. I look forward to getting this thing. :)
[01:30] <Kaloz> Dabian: yep
[01:30] <Kaloz> moin wbx
[01:30] <Kaloz> [Jolt]: and what do you think about the mail i wrote? :p
[01:31] <[Jolt]> kaloz: well i have to play a bit with all the stuff to get an impression ...
[01:31] <[Jolt]> kaloz: but the future goal should be to have only one kernel config and only one a global bcm47xx platform
[01:31] <TornadoQ> Dabian, consider it as any "normal" linux machine.. just smaller, slower, lesser disk space but makes no noise :)
[01:31] <[Jolt]> kaloz: right now i think we dont have the infrastructure to do so ...
[01:32] <Dabian> TornadoQ: The last point is important!
[01:32] <[Jolt]> kaloz: we need some more kernel auto detection
[01:32] <Dabian> TornadoQ: I am getting crazy from all these scsi disks.
[01:32] <Dabian> I just have to move my mailservice to the webserver.
[01:32] <[Jolt]> kaloz: and we need to remove the nvram dependency in userspace
[01:32] <Dabian> I assume that it would be crazed to try and run a mailserver on a wrt ;-)
[01:33] <[Jolt]> kaloz: bottom line: in the short term we'll need some sort of platform for each supported AP
[01:33] <Dabian> Wear out the flash in no time. :)
[01:33] <Kaloz> [Jolt]: well, we have to get the br into shape first. eg. it should build a usable image for the wgt, with some hardcoded defaults.
[01:33] <TornadoQ> Dabian, like Kaloz said before you can use USB sticks :)
[01:33] <Kaloz> [Jolt]: thennbd (he is the br guru) can help usi ntegrate it cleanly :p
[01:33] <wbx> Kaloz: yes, and it should be flexible enough to work with other platforms as ti based routers.
[01:34] <[Jolt]> kaloz: the one in cvs should build a image ... all that needs to be done is to fiure out a clever way to flash it and to fix up all the nvram
[01:35] <Kaloz> [Jolt]: really? nice.. :) i will get the -tiny stuff into it, too, is it okay with you?
[01:35] <[Jolt]> kaloz: sure!
[01:35] <Kaloz> wbx: sure. and it should even handle my own porting efforts, too :P
[01:35] <wbx> [Jolt]: do you think we need to compile the toolchain with kernel26 headers to get a working system?
[01:36] <[Jolt]> wbx: no .. there is no need to do that
[01:36] <[Jolt]> well actually it depends of what you're going to do
[01:36] <wbx> [Jolt]: so one toolchain for 2.4 and 2.6 based images is enough?
[01:36] <[Jolt]> some userspace apps might need up to date headers
[01:37] <wbx> I am just thinking what is the best way to have 2.4 and 2.6 based images created in parallel.
[01:37] <[Jolt]> wbx: depends on the packages...
[01:37] <y354C> Huh.
[01:37] <wbx> or do we need two complete builds?
[01:37] <y354C> We have a 2.6 kernel now?
[01:38] <wbx> [Jolt]: you are right, there are many apps using some kernel headers.(fuse, or such a stuff)
[01:38] <Kaloz> y354C: for the wgt634u. and for other stuff, if you don1t care about the wireless
[01:39] <y354C> Someone should beg mjn3 for his thunking layer.
[01:39] <wbx> y354C: no chance.
[01:39] <y354C> wbx: ?
[01:40] <wbx> y354C: he will never publish it.
[01:40] <Ge0rG> it should be possible to compile the build system and the apps with 2.4 headers and then to use them with a 2.6 kernel
[01:40] <wbx> Ge0rG: sure, but some external kernel modules need headers from 2.6 tree.
[01:41] <y354C> Hmm.
[01:41] <Kaloz> Dabian: http://openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Faq?highlight=%28boot_dev%29#head-fec22a58192326746ed931ba93c55ae06d407eff
[01:41] <y354C> Finally found a copy of Tiger that burns correctly frommy PC.
[01:41] <Kaloz> Dabian: http://openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Faq?highlight=%28boot_dev%29#head-5291466a18a44598c0c99bd1f2f75b020ab029c3
[01:45] <[Jolt]> the wl driver we're using .. is that the most recent / most capable one?
[01:47] <Kaloz> no, the latest netgear wg602 v3 tarball has a newer one (but that means newer includes, too)
[01:47] <Kaloz> if noone does it before, i take a look at it next week
[01:47] <Ge0rG> I wonder how they managed to get a linux image in less than 2mb on the wg602 v2
[01:48] <Kaloz> Ge0rG: openwrt is maller then 2mb, too :P
[01:48] <Kaloz> Ge0rG: they simply don't need jffs and other features
[01:49] <Ge0rG> Kaloz: not including the kernel though
[01:49] <Kaloz> including the kernel.
[01:49] <Ge0rG> oh. oops
[01:49] <Kaloz> http://openwrt.org/downloads/experimental/
[01:49] <Kaloz> take a look at the squashfs ones
[01:50] <Kaloz> and the wg602 is an ap/bridge only
[01:50] <Ge0rG> yep, I'm running exp. for almost two months now :)
[01:50] <Kaloz> if you remove the additional features from openwrt, you can fit there easily
[01:50] <[Jolt]> kaloz: 3.90.7.0 is the most recent driver?
[01:51] <Kaloz> if that's the one in that tarball, then yes. i didn't checked it myself
[01:52] <[Jolt]> ok thanks
[01:52] <Kaloz> [Jolt]: btw, it would be good to unify the broadcom includes in 2.4 and 2.6
[01:52] <Kaloz> [Jolt]: no idea, what stuff is different, tho
[01:52] <moua> anyone here with an asus wl 500g ?
[01:52] <olli_04> Kaloz: I reflashed my router and tryed openntpd again. It looks like it starts now, but I get when I do:
[01:52] <olli_04> root@OpenWrt:~# rdate -s localhost
[01:52] <olli_04> rdate: Unable to connect to remote host (127.0.0.1): Connection refused
[01:53] <Dabian> Oh .. how do I upgrade the firmware to openwrt?
[01:53] <Kaloz> Ge0rG: bte, the reay interesting stuff will be the asus wl700g :p
[01:53] <Kaloz> olli_04: rdate??
[01:53] <Ge0rG> Kaloz: whats inside if the wl700g?
[01:53] <Dabian> From GNU/Linux?
[01:53] <Kaloz> Dabian: http://openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Installing
[01:54] <Kaloz> Ge0rG: we only know for sure, that it can include a 3,5" hdd, and it has usb, too.. usual wireless and (form the infos) wired stuff
[01:54] <Dabian> Kaloz: So it is possible?
[01:54] <Dabian> (Thats all I need to know for now ;-)
[01:54] <Ge0rG> Kaloz: hm... I hope they put a chipset inside which is capable of transferring 11.5mbyte/s from ide to lan
[01:54] <Kaloz> Ge0rG: if you ask me, i say it will be a broadcom 4780 with minipci, and 8mb flash and 32mb ram :) IMGO :)
[01:54] <Kaloz> def_: sure
[01:54] <Kaloz> err
[01:55] <Kaloz> Dabian: sure
[01:55] <Dabian> Good .. Debian is my only OS :)
[01:55] <olli_04> Kaloz: I also get an error with ntpclient: recvfrom: Connection refused
[01:55] <Kaloz> Ge0rG: we will se.. btw, it will be smg like this
[01:56] <Kaloz> Ge0rG: http://www.tomsnetworking.com/Reviews-195-ProdID-STINAS250-1.php
[01:56] <Kaloz> olli_04: logread :p to be honest, it's hard to track down a problem remotely
[01:57] <Kaloz> Ge0rG: specially i mean this page: http://www.tomsnetworking.com/Reviews-195-ProdID-STINAS250-8.php
[01:59] <wbx> Kaloz: if i am ready today with the graphics for my talk, i will try to cleanup the kernel stuff. if not you can do it next week :}
[01:59] Action: wbx hates to create graphics. xfig and dia are so shitty
[01:59] <Kaloz> :)
[01:59] <Ge0rG> dia just sucks... but there is nothing which sucks less :(
[02:00] <Kaloz> wbx: check that link :P if the wl700g will have a switchh, too, then it will be a winner
[02:00] <wbx> i even compile kivio shit on my kde free openbsd desktop, but it includes no cool icons for access points
[02:00] <Kaloz> wbx: and to be honest, it seems that this simpletech stuff _HAS_ that aes thingie activated
[02:01] <Ge0rG> the simpletech looks really really neat
[02:01] <Kaloz> wbx: so we have to get a gpl tarball, if we're lucky, we can activate at least the RNG on the deluxe and the wgt =)
[02:01] <Kaloz> Ge0rG: imho the wl700g will be the same just with wireless =)
[02:01] <wbx> Kaloz: you are a fan of this rng stuff ;=)
[02:02] <Kaloz> wbx: to be honest, it would give us a real /dev/random, and it would speed up openssl a 'bit'
[02:03] <wbx> Kaloz: i did not know that you are interested in really good cryptography on wrt ;=)
[02:03] <Ge0rG> neither /dev/random nor openssl really need that much of aes... the only thing where it really matters is disk encryption :)
[02:03] <wbx> no, random data is really important.
[02:04] Action: Ge0rG though of getting a VIA Epia board with the new C3 cpu revision (and builtin AES) just as a disk server. but via has really bad pci performance
[02:04] <Ge0rG> wbx: you can overwrite your disk with random noise really fast? ;)
[02:05] <macsat> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdX would do the trick ;-)
[02:05] <Kaloz> macsat: heh, dream on
[02:06] <TornadoQ> macsat, that's not much random ;)
[02:06] <Kaloz> macsat: if you overwrite it 9 times with different stuff, then it can help
[02:06] <wbx> macsat: what it will do? will it help to get better security on my desk?
[02:07] <Ge0rG> if you only store encrypted data on your disk, you don't need to overwrite it with random bits
[02:07] <Kaloz> macsat: 8 times overwritten data (overwritten with random stuff even) can be recovered :P
[02:08] <Kaloz> http://www.dealtime.com/xPO-SimpleShare_STI_NAS_160
[02:08] <Kaloz> hmz.. it isn't that expensive
[02:08] <Kaloz> i hope someone buys one and can publish the gpl tarball
[02:09] <Ge0rG> Kaloz: do you have a source for the 8-times-overwrite-info?
[02:10] <Kaloz> Ge0rG: we have a nice company in hungary, named Kürt
[02:10] <Kaloz> http://www.kurt.hu/
[02:10] <Kaloz> you can select the language in the top right
[02:11] <Kaloz> Ge0rG: even the cia takes some drives to them for recovery =P
[02:11] <Kaloz> Ge0rG: and i'm not joking :P
[02:12] <Kaloz> http://www.sallandautomatisering.nl/default.php?pid=9360&ref=2 <-- hmz, available in the netherlands
[02:16] <Overand> is this chan *strictly* for openWRT discussion?
[02:16] <Overand> ah.
[02:17] <Overand> Well, this is a hardware question, I'll ask in here for kicks. Have you noticed cranking the TX power causing router instability not just re: wifi,but causing the whole thing to crash?
[02:17] <Kaloz> sure
[02:18] <Ge0rG> Kaloz: but I still don't see on their website if they can recover data which is several times overwritten
[02:18] <Overand> Maybe I'll stick a fan on the thing. Already brought the power level down a few notches.
[02:19] <Ge0rG> Overand: yep, the devices get hot when operated out of spec
[02:19] <olli_04> Kaloz: is it normal that there are two processes of ntpd running (one as user ntp and one as root)?
[02:19] <Overand> is there a sort of generally stable power in mW that I should stick to?
[02:20] <Overand> like, is it common to have problems above a certain level, etc.
[02:22] <Kaloz> olli_04: yes
[02:24] <Kaloz> Overand: openwrt uses the default power of the driver, it's around 100mw or so
[02:24] <Ge0rG> Overand: I think nobody really evaluated that yet... try staing under 20dBi
[02:24] <Overand> thanks.
[02:24] <Overand> I'll speak with you guys agian, some day, perhaps.
[02:24] <Ge0rG> root@wrt54g:~# wl txpwr
[02:24] <Ge0rG> txpwr is 255
[02:25] <Ge0rG> but thats already way too much
[02:25] <Overand> Ugh, why is it that when I'm up so late I talk like a non-native english speaker?
[02:25] <Overand> oh well. peace
[02:25] <Kaloz> Ge0rG: that value doesn't mean anything
[02:25] <olli_04> Kaloz: If i do logread | grep -i ntp the result is empty, what information do you need to see whats happen
[02:25] <Ge0rG> Kaloz: so where can I see the actual tx power?
[02:25] <Kaloz> olli_04: strace?
[02:26] <Kaloz> Ge0rG: no idea :D
[02:26] <Ge0rG> Kaloz: :P
[02:34] <Dabian> ok
[02:34] <Dabian> I think I have order one now.
[02:34] <Dabian> (I always have trouble with these online buying things)
[02:35] <Dabian> I found out after I ordered it, that I didn't even check if it really had 4 rj-45 .. but I found out your memory was right, Kaloz :)
[02:36] <Kaloz> :)
[02:36] <Kaloz> gotta run :) cya :)
[02:36] <Dabian> right . thanks for the help :)
[02:37] <Dabian> I'll be back whining when I got the thing and cannot get it working ;-)
[04:28] <nettie> nbd: ping
[04:40] <alejandro> hm, where is the wl package?
[04:42] <roadrunner> ipkg install wl
[04:42] <alejandro> root@OpenWrt:~# ipkg install wl
[04:42] <alejandro> ipkg_get_install: ERROR: Cannot find package wl in /usr/lib/ipkg/lists
[04:44] <roadrunner> ipkg update
[04:44] <roadrunner> btw pkgt <enter> and you see the parameter for ipkg
[04:45] <alejandro> roadrunner: I have run ipkg update before.
[04:46] <alejandro> I'm using experimental sources:
[04:47] <alejandro> src experimental http://openwrt.org/downloads/experimental/bin/packages
[04:47] <alejandro> src openwrt http://openwrt.org/ipkg
[04:48] <roadrunner> wait i'll take a look to my wrt
[04:49] <roadrunner> btw you are right ... there is no wl package on openwrt.org/ipkg
[04:50] <HiDDeN-> wlc?
[04:51] <roadrunner> alejandro: i have to sources for packages in my ipkg.conf
[04:51] <roadrunner> src experimental http://openwrt.org/downloads/experimental/bin/packages
[04:51] <roadrunner> src openwrt http://openwrt.org/ipkg
[04:52] <alejandro> HiDDeN-: yeah, I have wlc.
[04:52] <roadrunner> but wlc is not the same as wl
[04:52] <alejandro> right, I can look the noise and other things I would like to know..
[04:53] <alejandro> s/can/can't/g
[04:57] <sap> hi, i'm trying to setup shorewall on a wrt54g. when i try to save the config (using shorewall save) i get a seg fault. it looks like it's coming from iptables-save. does anyone know anything about this?
[04:57] <sap> i'm using the config that you get by default from wojjie.net
[04:58] <sap> as given on the wiki
[05:01] <roadrunner> alejandro: try this source http://212.91.225.42/sven-ola/ipkg/
[05:05] <alejandro> roadrunner: thanks, now I can use wl. :)
[05:06] <roadrunner> thats really a problem of openwrt ... many packages distributed over many sources/server :(
[05:10] <sap> is there a way of telling which server a package was installed from?
[05:19] <Blackvel> who is around from LA?
[05:23] <sheskar> Hi. Can I still find the "stable" firmware images anywhere?
[05:25] <AzzIzzA> http://openwrt.org/downloads/
[05:27] Action: dumpedcore calls into the void of #wrt54g, "[mbm]!!! where art thou [mbm]?!!!"
[05:27] <Javi> how long
[05:28] <dumpedcore> hey javi
[05:28] <dumpedcore> real long
[05:29] Action: dumpedcore has pretzels.
[05:29] <dumpedcore> Javi: how's things?
[05:30] <coder> fine
[05:31] <dumpedcore> coder: good to hear.
[05:31] <coder> working on some shit
[05:31] <coder> what about you?
[05:31] <coder> and the web interface
[05:31] <dumpedcore> going well
[05:31] <dumpedcore> i can show you, if you're curious
[05:31] <coder> nice
[05:31] <coder> I am
[05:32] <dumpedcore> i'll just add an ipt rule for you.
[05:56] <olli_04> Hi, I have problem with openntpd. Here is a output of logread | grep ntp:
[05:56] <olli_04> Jan 1 00:00:20 (none) kern.info /usr/sbin/ntpd[451]: listening on 192.168.1.15
[05:56] <olli_04> Jan 1 00:00:21 (none) kern.info /usr/sbin/ntpd[451]: ntp engine ready
[05:56] <olli_04> Jan 1 00:00:36 (none) kern.info /usr/sbin/ntpd[451]: peer 212.97.63.99 now valid
[05:56] <olli_04> Jan 1 01:01:22 (none) kern.info /usr/sbin/ntpd[450]: adjusting local clock by 169480289.514003s
[05:56] <olli_04> Jan 1 01:01:22 (none) kern.crit /usr/sbin/ntpd[450]: adjtime failed: Invalid argument
[06:02] <wbx> olli_04: you need to sync your clock first with rdate.
[06:02] <wbx> olli_04: if you use pppoe, then add /usr/sbin/rdate time.fu-berlin.de to /etc/ppp/ip-up
[06:18] <olli_04> I think openntpd is working now, but only without the -s parameter in S49ntpd script. But I can't sync clients clock with the wrt54g's openntpd server.
[06:18] <olli_04> May 15 14:15:13 (none) kern.info /usr/sbin/ntpd[454]: listening on 192.168.1.15
[06:18] <olli_04> May 15 14:15:13 (none) kern.info /usr/sbin/ntpd[454]: ntp engine ready
[06:18] <olli_04> May 15 14:15:28 (none) kern.info /usr/sbin/ntpd[454]: peer 194.67.106.186 now valid
[06:18] <olli_04> I have already listen on in ntpd.conf but can't sync
[06:21] <sheskar> Why can't I set an encryption key on eth1 in my wrt54gs? I get this error: Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) : SET failed on device eth1 ; Invalid argument.
[06:22] <sheskar> wl0_key1 doesn't work as well.
[06:25] <sheskar> Oh, wl0_wep is on disabled. Well... :)
[06:27] <outsidefactor> what did I miss?
[06:27] <xavi> wrt: yes?
[06:28] <outsidefactor> sorry
[06:28] <outsidefactor> wrong window
[06:28] <fan-fan> better this
[06:28] <fan-fan> one
[06:28] <fan-fan> :P
[06:29] <fan-fan> jopi: feo :P
[06:33] <fan-fan> one question...
[06:33] <fan-fan> someone has suscessfuly setup a pppoe-server on a openwrt??
[06:33] <fan-fan> successfully... sorry
[06:33] <fan-fan> :P
[06:36] <zamba> nbd: you got what i said yesterday?
[06:57] <thermoman> hi. is it possible to limit upload/download bandwith on a per switch port basis with wrt54g?
[07:04] <fan-fan> per switch port?
[07:04] <fan-fan> maybe with vlan per switch port?
[07:06] <y354C> You could program the switch chip itself.
[07:07] <fan-fan> so you aply qos per vlan
[07:07] <fan-fan> apply
[07:08] <thermoman> is there a firmware available which can do this?
[07:08] <fan-fan> i think alchemy does
[07:08] <fan-fan> via web
[07:08] <fan-fan> easily
[07:09] <thermoman> ok
[07:09] <thermoman> is this planned to implement it in openwrt?
[07:10] <thermoman> cause it's a nice feature when you want to play online games and your neighbour is using p2p :)
[07:11] <y354C> You can't do it by IP address?
[07:12] <thermoman> this would be ok too
[07:12] <y354C> Sounds like you want regular QoS anyway.
[07:12] <coder> rofl, installing drivers on windows seems an oddisey
[07:13] <fan-fan> thermoman: ahms.. y354C is right.. u can do this by ip
[07:14] <fan-fan> thermoman: just set up a qos on wan iface
[07:19] <sheskar> Does the pppd in experimental still use /etc/ppp/ip-up after connect?
[07:24] <fan-fan> sheskar: it seems like not
[07:24] <fan-fan> http://openwrt.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1334
[08:28] <Tuxevara> HEEELP
[08:30] <Tuxevara> my asus wl500g deluxe is broadcasting the ssid but wl0_closed=1
[08:31] <Tuxevara> my linksys wrt54gs has the same setting but does not broadcast the ssid
[08:32] <Tuxevara> okay forget what i sayed .. seems to be a kismet problem...doing iwlist eth1 scan does see nothing
[08:51] <nbd> hello, world!
[08:56] <jnc> nbd: yo
[08:56] <jnc> nbd: i have a question for you about the gcc34 image
[08:57] <nbd> jnc: then ask...
[08:57] <jnc> nbd: before i upgraded to the nbd/gcc34 wrt54gs image, i had dropbear set up to pay attention to /root/.ssh/authorized_keys
[08:57] <jnc> should that work now with the gcc34 image?
[08:57] <jnc> i'm having trouble with that
[08:57] <nbd> i don't see a reason why this should not work
[08:58] <nbd> no dropbear-related stuff changed with the compiler switch
[08:58] <jnc> ah okay
[08:58] <nbd> this is just a cvs compile
[08:58] <jnc> the other one is a segfault in the vi program
[08:58] <jnc> i haven't been able to reproduce it yet
[08:58] <jnc> when i do, i'll let you know
[08:59] <nbd> k. thx
[08:59] <jnc> i gotta say, this is a pretty "solid feeling" smooth install
[09:00] <nbd> good to hear... we're working on getting things as stable and easy as possible
[09:00] <jnc> many thanks :)
[09:00] <nbd> now that dumpedcore has returned, we'll even get a web interface soon
[09:02] <jnc> yay
[09:02] <Ge0rG> dumpedcore is still alive?
[09:02] <twolife> mmm... any idee why i have a "/path/to/my/apps/IPKG_BUILD.$(PID)/tarX" file inside the data.tar.gz generated by "../ipkg_utils/ipkg-build -c ./ipkg/myapps/" ? i really don't understand
[09:02] <jnc> nbd: authorized_keys would reside in /root/.ssh/authorized keys, correct?
[09:04] <Ge0rG> jnc: only after you change root's home directory
[09:04] <jnc> ohhh!
[09:05] <jnc> nbd: would it make sense to add a /root directory and make that be $HOME ?
[09:05] <jnc> (from a standpoint of the openwrt distro)
[09:05] <nbd> Ge0rG: yeah. he was on irc a few times in the last days
[09:05] <Ge0rG> nbd: cool :)
[09:05] <nbd> Ge0rG: and he'll integrate his stuff soon
[09:05] <nbd> jnc: you can do that
[09:05] <jnc> i will
[09:06] <nbd> jnc: don't know if we'll change openwrt to that, though
[09:06] <jnc> i'm wondering if /tmp is there for any particular reason
[09:06] <nbd> jnc: most people don't seem to need it
[09:06] <jnc> 'k
[09:06] <nbd> twolife: why are you using ipkg-build directly?
[09:09] <twolife> nbd: just to test some things before create the .ipk 'in the right way'
[09:09] <nbd> twolife: it's much easier to use the right way from the beginning, trust me
[09:09] <nbd> twolife: you just have to copy&paste a few files and change a few lines
[09:12] <twolife> nbd: mm, yes you're right, with the new template in the makefile, it is fast :)
[09:12] <twolife> nbd: aaarg, i have a bigger problem now, even 'official' package in /bin/packages/ have this file :/
[09:13] <nbd> what packages?
[09:13] <twolife> all of them
[09:13] <nbd> all of them? let me check...
[09:15] <nbd> twolife: well... not in my build
[09:15] <nbd> twolife: i have never seen this behavior
[09:15] <nbd> twolife: what official packages do you mean?
[09:15] <twolife> nbd: ip, dnsmasq, ...
[09:16] <nbd> downloaded from openwrt.org?
[09:16] <nbd> or in your build?
[09:16] <twolife> my build from cvs
[09:16] <nbd> from when is your cvs checkout?
[09:16] <nbd> what machine are you building on?
[09:17] <twolife> just do "cvs update -PdA" before the make
[09:18] <nbd> twolife: when did you check out that thing initially?
[09:19] <wbx> jnc: i seen this, too. (dropbear, authorized_keys)
[09:20] <wbx> jnc: but i did not found a solution, yet.
[09:20] <twolife> nbd: hu ? i updated to the new cvs, "make", coffee, next i just try to build a package with ipkg_utils/ipkg-build, and there was this file in data.tar.gz
[09:20] <wbx> jnc: it worked nice with an older build... (2.4.29 based.)
[09:20] <wbx> nbd: hi
[09:20] <nbd> twolife: i mean did you have an older checkout which you updated with cvs ?
[09:20] <nbd> wbx: hi
[09:22] <twolife> nbd: yes, it was a cvs from 2 weeks, i think. but i will now try with a clean cvs, not with an updated one
[09:24] <nbd> twolife: do that
[09:25] <nbd> twolife: most package makefiles have changed since two weeks ago
[09:36] <nbd> twolife: btw. what package are you working on?
[09:39] <twolife> nbd: it was mini_httpd (because busybox's httpd don't have ipv6 support), but unlike packages posted on the forum, i don't need ssl support
[09:40] <Ge0rG> hm... my wrt keeps telling me there are no more free pseudo-ttys, but /dev/pts is mounted and there is at least one pty inside
[09:41] <nbd> twolife: don't do that... i have a package with matrixssl support that isn't in cvs yet
[09:41] <nbd> twolife: my package builds two versions
[09:41] <nbd> twolife: one with matrixssl an one without it
[09:42] <twolife> nbd: hoo cool :)
[09:42] <nbd> twolife: haven't had the time to test it yet, but if you want, i can send you the package dir
[09:42] <nbd> Ge0rG: which package tells you that?
[09:42] <twolife> nbd: ho yes i want it :)
[09:42] <nbd> twolife: wait a sec...
[09:44] <nbd> twolife: http://openwrt.inf.fh-brs.de/~nbd/mini_httpd.tar.gz
[09:44] <Ge0rG> nbd: l2tpd.. it starts looking at /dev/ptyp0 and incrementing, instead of going to /dev/pts/
[09:44] <nbd> Ge0rG: probably you need to patch the configure script to detect, that /dev/pts should be used (if the package has support for that)
[09:44] <twolife> nbd: thank you
[09:45] <Ge0rG> nbd: I think so... but I haven't yet checked out the experimental cvs... needed all my time for reallife :/
[09:46] <nbd> twolife: i used nico's patch for matrixssl support and changed it so that it can build the non-ssl version at the same time
[09:47] <twolife> nbd: ok thank you, i will try when the 'new clean' cvs will be build.
[09:48] <nbd> i'm currently building a fresh version, too
[09:48] <nbd> especially my sdk needs an update so that people can use the new package format with it
[09:51] <don-o> how can i mount the flashram so that files i create are stored there?
[09:52] <nbd> don-o: no need to do that manually
[09:52] <nbd> don-o: if you flashed openwrt, you have a writable filesystem already
[09:52] <don-o> hmm. its got openwrt but i loose the data in /tmp on every reboot
[09:53] <nbd> don-o: /tmp is in ram
[09:53] <nbd> don-o: /var too
[09:53] <don-o> ah.
[09:53] <judge> btw is it known that dnsmasq in the experimental is broken?
[09:54] <don-o> Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
[09:54] <don-o> /dev/root 896 896 0 100% /rom
[09:54] <don-o> /dev/mtdblock/4 2240 508 1732 23% /
[09:54] <nbd> judge: broken? how?
[09:54] <don-o> is mtdblock/4 the flashram? and if so why is it only 2.2MB?
[09:54] <don-o> i thought it should be 4MB.
[09:55] <judge> nbd: it doesnt want to give out dhcp on my gs
[09:55] <judge> says a strange error
[09:55] <judge> like no dhcp range for br0
[09:55] <judge> or something
[09:55] <judge> even tho the dnsmasq.conf file appears to be ok
[09:55] <nbd> don-o: read this: http://openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Installing#head-9a1c0e2c668d2ffa21cac23cb97de9b8d1e78138
[09:55] <jnc> judge: be sure to edit /etc/dnsmasq.conf to suit your network, and make sure /etc/ethers is 644 if you're using it
[09:55] <judge> nbd: but other than that openwrt is quite a neat toy
[09:56] <judge> oh, what's /etc/ethers
[09:56] <nbd> judge: please try my updated build from http://openwrt.org/downloads/nbd/gcc34/
[09:56] <judge> nbd: will do
[09:56] <nbd> judge: /etc/ethers is for setting up static dhcp<->ip mappings
[09:56] <judge> ok
[09:56] <judge> i'll do this when i get back to my gs
[09:57] <nbd> k
[09:57] <judge> thanks for the tips
[09:57] <nbd> if it doesn't work, please post in the forums
[09:57] <judge> k
[09:58] <don-o> nbd: ah that explains it. thanks for the link.
[09:59] <don-o> what im trying to do is write a script that associates to any open AP, gets a DHCP address and says hello on an irc channel (or some other action)
[09:59] <don-o> i've got the wrt54g on a battery on the back of my bicycle. i want it to jump on the internet via different APs as I bike around town.
[10:00] <jnc> cool.
[10:00] <jnc> i don't know how to help w/ that, it sounds like a practical application
[10:01] <don-o> the wrt54g takes 0.45amps @ 12VDC. a $18 leadacid battery from fry's electronics will run the AP for 8 hours. its pretty cool.
[10:03] <jnc> i wonder what the watt rating is
[10:03] <jnc> been a while since i've done electronics
[10:03] <jnc> i'd like to see how the wrt54g stacks up versus a lightbulb
[10:04] <nbd> don-o: should work
[10:07] <don-o> is it possible to get voltage readings from the board?
[10:08] <nbd> i don't think there's support for that on the board
[10:08] <nbd> broadcom probably hasn't added any sensors for that
[10:09] <twolife> nbd: it seems there is a problem with the new cvs, i have just extract data.tar.gz from a random .ipk in bin/packages/ and there is a "/home/twolife/..../bin/packages/IPKG_BUILD.$(PID)/tarX" file (and yes this is a clean tree, cvs without additionnal patch)
[10:11] <nbd> twolife: i'll have a look at my own frash build
[10:12] <nbd> twolife: nope. not in my build
[10:12] <twolife> :/
[10:12] <nbd> twolife: what's the full path to your buildroot?
[10:13] <twolife> nbd: /home/twolife/wrt54g/openwrt/ and the file in data.tar.gz is /home/twolife/wrt54g/openwrt/bin/packages/IPKG_BUILD.$(PID)/tarX
[10:14] <nbd> really strange
[10:14] <don-o> how can i tell what version of openwrt is installed on this wrt54g?
[10:14] <nbd> don-o: if you don't know, you probably have an old version :)
[10:14] <don-o> yeah its old.
[10:15] <nbd> don-o: if you want a new build, then get this one: http://openwrt.org/downloads/nbd/gcc34/
[10:15] <don-o> is there any compelling reason to upgrade? what ive got seems to work fine.
[10:15] <nbd> don-o: we always improve stuff... i don't know all the changes, because _a_lot_ has changed
[10:16] <nbd> twolife: i just unpacked _all_ ipkgs that i have... no sign of any directory containing the string 'IPKG'
[10:17] <twolife> nbd: ok i know ! i downgraded the tar package from my sid (1.15.1-1 to 1.14-2) and all is ok now
[10:18] <nbd> oh. weird
[10:18] <nbd> well... that's one reason why i don't use sid :)
[10:18] Action: nbd uses sarge on the desktop (now sarge-amd64)
[10:19] <twolife> nbd: yes and now sarge is frozen so no new tar for you :)
[10:20] <nbd> who wants a new tar anyway?
[10:20] <nbd> the old one works just fine :)
[10:23] <nbd> ok. have to go now... cu
[10:23] Action: nbd hates having to be on dialup
[10:24] <twolife> dialup is evil :o
[11:45] <rvhi> is there a php package for openwrt?
[11:46] <Blackvel> for what?
[11:46] <Blackvel> webserver?
[11:47] <Blackvel> aint that useless on a router?
[11:53] <hrzags11> rvhi : yes, few of them
[12:31] <twolife> ping nbd
[12:51] <nettie> nbd: ping
[13:00] <Ge0rG> dumpedcore! \o/
[13:00] <dumpedcore> hey ge0rg - how's things?
[13:01] <Ge0rG> dumpedcore: life is great... and I've got some time for hacking... how are you? we missed you here
[13:01] <dumpedcore> :-) i'm okay... getting better.
[13:01] <dumpedcore> i should show you the web interface.
[13:01] <dumpedcore> getting really close to releasing it
[13:01] <dumpedcore> finally started developing it again :)
[13:02] <dumpedcore> wrote a new module that lets you set /etc/TZ
[13:02] <dumpedcore> (any idea how hard it is to source the ulibc timezone string :)
[13:02] <dumpedcore> ended up having to get creative, and used a mix of cut, sed and tr to cut it into the bits I required
[13:03] <Schuyler> three cheers for the UNIX tools philosophy
[13:03] <dumpedcore> :-)
[13:03] <dumpedcore> it's a dirty hack - but it works well.
[13:04] <dumpedcore> AEST-10AEDT,M10.5.0/03:00:00,M3.5.0/03:00:00
[13:04] <dumpedcore> ^^^^ this was generated by my timezone program
[13:04] <dumpedcore> and the scary thing is - it can source it back, too
[13:04] <dumpedcore> it's not just a write-only
[13:05] <jopi> dumpedcore: wonderful
[13:05] <jopi> dumpedcore: when will it be available for testing?
[13:05] <hrzags11> dumedcore: look under OpenWrtDOc dir :)
[13:05] <dumpedcore> hrz: what's there?
[13:05] <hrzags11> OpenWrtDocs/httpd
[13:06] <dumpedcore> oh, there's fucking documentation
[13:06] <dumpedcore> too late now I figured it all out the hard way :)
[13:06] <dumpedcore> ge0rg: i'll show you, if you like.
[13:07] <hrzags11> dumpedcore: but still with your initial help :)
[13:08] <dumpedcore> :)
[13:08] <Ge0rG> dumpedcore: sure! :)
[13:08] <dumpedcore> ge0rg: i'll query you the port and ip
[13:11] <dumpedcore> btw - anyone know why dnsmasq isn't reading my /etc/hosts and /etc/ethers ?
[13:12] <dumpedcore> it's got world readable permissions?
[13:13] <Josephus> dumpedcore: can i have a look too?
[13:14] <dumpedcore> yep.
[13:14] <dumpedcore> querying you.
[13:35] <ab0oo> has anyone any experience with nbd's imagebuilder?
[13:47] <lemmy> is wpa working with the experimental build? i'm asking myself if the linksys nas tool is binary compatible to the experimental build?
[13:48] <dumpedcore> yes
[13:48] <dumpedcore> nas works
[13:49] <lemmy> thx
[13:49] <dumpedcore> there's a package with the binary
[13:49] <dumpedcore> or you can just copy it over to /usr/bin yourself.
[13:50] <nettie> hey guys, I just made some modificatio to build_mipsel/iptables-1.31 and I would like to build a fresh image, I tried to issue a make clean inside iptables source dir but didnt work, anyone know how to I clean and build again please? (exp-build#)
[13:53] <wbx> nettie: TOPDIR=`pwd` make -C package/iptables clean compile
[13:53] <nettie> ah
[13:53] <nettie> nice .. thanx wbx :) how's going with cables?
[13:53] <wbx> not very well.
[13:54] <wbx> seems to be unsupported under linux.
[13:54] <nettie> damn :( what's wrong?
[13:54] <nettie> all cables?
[13:54] <wbx> all the same cables.
[13:54] <nettie> uhmmm
[13:55] <nettie> have you tried soldering the max?
[13:55] <wbx> have no time to hack on this. will be away up to friday... next weekend I have time to investigate.
[13:55] <nettie> vacation?
[13:55] <wbx> nettie: no. i have the stuff, but no idea how to solder this stuff correctly
[13:55] <nettie> or work?
[13:55] <wbx> work.
[13:55] <nettie> ah
[13:56] <nettie> wbx: I'll have a pretty busy week too, if I find the time I'll build a cable and send it to you as well
[13:56] <wbx> 3 minutes left, tomorrow i need to concentrate and finish up some stuf.
[13:56] <wbx> nettie: no. just wait, next week i will visit a friend...
[13:56] <nettie> Igot a couple of max and ds
[13:56] <nettie> ah ok then :)
[13:57] <wbx> i don't want to rip you off.
[13:57] <wbx> and i have already the hardware..
[13:58] <wbx> i am off, see you later
[13:58] <nettie> ;)
[13:58] <nettie> ehe
[13:58] <nettie> it's fine, we're here to help eachother
[13:58] <wbx> later this week ;)
[13:58] <nettie> I'm sure you'll do the same
[13:58] <nettie> ok
[13:58] <nettie> have a nice week
[13:58] <nettie> and a good trip
[13:58] <nettie> ciao
[14:03] Action: dumpedcore 's extremely insecure solution to his dnsmasq privlege problem.
[14:03] <dumpedcore> ps ax|grep dnsmasq
[14:03] <dumpedcore> 6980 root 436 S /usr/sbin/dnsmasq -u=root
[14:03] <dumpedcore> :-)
[14:46] <Ge0rG> hm... pppd is kernel oopsing on me... :/
[14:48] <Ge0rG> maybe I should get the modules from the same source as the kernel. *fetch*compile*
[15:03] <Ge0rG> nbd: which experimental branch are you using?
[16:03] <Ge0rG> aaah! client mode is much better than wet
[16:44] <Ge0rG> nbd: the image builder in tested bails out when I don't have an image for motorola built... the relevant line is "cp addpattern trx motorola-bin sed mkfs.jffs2 mksquashfs-lzma $openwrt/build_mipsel/OpenWrt-ImageBuilder-Linux-i686-1/utils"
[17:48] <ab0oo> can someone check my ipkg repository and let me know if it's available: http://www.wildcatwireless.net/wrt54g/Packages
[18:45] <ab0oo> does anyone know what the pushbutton behind the cisco emblam on a wrt54g 2.2 does?
[18:45] <ab0oo> s/emblam/emblem/g
[19:07] <kousi> has anyone complained about random disconnects with the newest firmware?
[19:18] <ab0oo> wireless disconnects, kousi ?
[19:18] <kousi> im all but sure its rebooting..
[19:19] <kousi> thus disconnecting all the computers..
[19:19] <ab0oo> what does uptime tell you? can you confirm the reboot that way?
[19:19] <kousi> yeah its 21 min uptime
[19:19] <kousi> it should be...like 5 hours
[19:19] <ab0oo> hmm. what build?
[19:20] <kousi> the most recent one with squashfs :|
[19:20] <kousi> i just put it on there last night
[19:20] <ab0oo> what hardware?
[19:20] <kousi> wrt54g v1
[19:21] <ab0oo> hmm, I know that there was an issue two nights ago with random reboots in certain hardware, but nbd was talking about it, and I didn't follow up for the whole story. I'm using 2.2 hw with squashfs, but I just flashed it 20 minutes ago.
[19:23] <kousi> i think while i was downloading the disconnects were more frequent..
[19:23] <ab0oo> do you have hosts on the wan and lan sides that you can run ttcp on?
[19:24] <kousi> negative
[19:24] <kousi> maybe i'll go back to official firmware :(
[19:25] <ab0oo> I know there's an issue, but the firmware guys are the best source of answers. sorry. nbd hasn't been around all day.
[19:25] <kousi> thanks anyway :D
[19:25] <ab0oo> I'm doing everything I can to brick mine, don't follow suit.. :)
[19:25] <kousi> hah.
[19:35] <zamba> ab0oo: that was my wrt
[19:35] <zamba> ab0oo: i believe
[19:35] <zamba> but i had random reboots when running kismet_drone on 1.1
[19:35] <zamba> but, not anymore.. instead i have issues with kismet_drone itself
[19:36] <ab0oo> sounds like kousi's problem is traffic related.
[19:36] <zamba> i have a wrt back home that reboots every other day
[19:36] <zamba> for no reason
[19:36] <zamba> running stable, though
[19:36] <zamba> so it could be hardware related
[19:37] <ab0oo> I have wrts that I have to force to reboot everyday. They are core routers in my mesh, and after 3 or 4 days they simply stop passing traffic and get flaky.
[19:37] <ab0oo> I have some with uptimes of 60 days, to. weird.
[19:37] <zamba> yeah
[19:38] <zamba> i've had a highly trafficed router at that uptime myself
[19:38] <zamba> so it all seems kinda random
[19:39] <ab0oo> I'm having some issues with my radios coming up on the wrong channel, right now.
[19:41] <zamba> strange
[19:43] <ab0oo> I have a mesh with 30 radios, and the entire network lost power at the same time. when power came up (at the same time), the radios went into ad-hoc mode on whatever channel they felt like, and ignored the explicit commands int he startup scripts to come up on channel 1.
[19:43] <ab0oo> so I had several mesh network islands that couldn't talk to each other. highly frustrating.
[21:20] <grelli> hmmmm
[21:20] <grelli> the power light is blinking on my GS... it seems to be behaving as a simple switch
[21:42] <k0usi> i reset the nvram and filesystem...lets see how it goes
[21:50] <kousi> that didnt seem to fix it eh
[22:11] <k0usi> definitely not.
[23:38] <Smilzo> i need some help about support of wag54g
[23:55] <z3ro> Smilzo: a few of us are working on it.
[23:57] <Smilzo> z3ro: i suppose that now isn't working ? ;)
[23:57] <z3ro> I've got a kernel to boot on it already.
[23:58] <Smilzo> i'm looking for
[23:59] <Smilzo> the "best" model of linksys to buy
[23:59] <Smilzo> is the wag isn't supported, i'll thing about a wrt54gs
[23:59] <Smilzo> is a good choise ?
[23:59] <z3ro> well, that depends on what you want... if you want adsl your would have to get either the wag54g or the ag2?? (forgot the exact model number)
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