OpenWrt

[00:00] <Eagle_Fire> ?
[00:00] <bob_> of which 55/89 is a good approximation in a series of every more definitive series
[00:00] <Eagle_Fire> okay, whatever
[00:01] <Eagle_Fire> crazy!
[00:01] <dumpedcore> eagle: he's right
[00:01] <bob_> and excuse me for being redundant and repetitive
[00:01] <Eagle_Fire> oh no, not you too, dumpedcore?
[00:01] <Eagle_Fire> i thought you were cool
[00:01] <bob_> msg , no i gave up, it sucked too much
[00:14] <dumpedcore> eagle - lol.. actually, I have no idea what bob's on about.
[00:14] <dumpedcore> but it sounded good
[00:15] <dumpedcore> :-P
[00:15] <bob_> what?
[00:16] <clayton> .
[00:16] <Eagle_Fire> ..
[00:21] <dumpedcore> .......
[00:21] <bob_> _._. __._
[00:23] <J4k3> doot doot
[00:23] <dumpedcore> !trivia start
[00:23] <WifiJane> Trivia has been started!
[00:23] <WifiJane> At the end of "Planet of the Apes" what protruded from the rocks?
[00:23] <WifiJane> Hint 1: The answer is 17 characters long.
[00:23] <Eagle_Fire> statue of liberty
[00:23] <bob_> the status of liberty
[00:23] <dumpedcore> !trivia stop
[00:23] <WifiJane> Yay! Eagle_Fire answered correctly, 4 points! Eagle_Fire now has a score of 123 points.
[00:23] <WifiJane> Trivia has been ended.
[00:23] <dumpedcore> Damn you! :)
[00:23] <Eagle_Fire> i win!
[00:24] <bob_> #!score
[00:24] <Eagle_Fire> hehe "status" ?
[00:24] <bob_> !score
[00:24] <dumpedcore> We need a seperate channel for trivia
[00:24] <Eagle_Fire> !trivia score bob_
[00:24] <WifiJane> bob_ has a score of 0
[00:24] <Eagle_Fire> lol
[00:24] <bob_> what?!?!?!
[00:24] <dumpedcore> try bob__
[00:24] <dumpedcore> !trivia score bob__
[00:24] <WifiJane> bob__ has a score of 443
[00:24] <bob_> !trivia score
[00:24] <WifiJane> gregm on irc.bcwireless.net : 464
[00:24] <WifiJane> bob__ on irc.freenode.net : 443
[00:24] <WifiJane> matthewa on irc.bcwireless.net : 435
[00:24] <WifiJane> jmc on irc.bcwireless.net : 430
[00:24] <WifiJane> u_int32_t on irc.freenetworks.org : 267
[00:24] <dumpedcore> That's better, eh bob?
[00:24] <bob_> yea, i thought my lie's work was town the toilet!
[00:25] <Eagle_Fire> it was
[00:25] <Eagle_Fire> just not in the way you thought
[00:25] <bob_> he he
[00:25] <bob_> so what part of my life is most down the toilet?
[00:26] <bob_> am I fat? am I poor?
[00:26] <bob_> am I alone? am I black?
[00:26] <J4k3> likely, likely, likely, not likely
[00:27] <dumpedcore> uh oh.. a racial comment...
[00:27] <bob_> well, I am none! whee!
[00:27] <bob_> it was there for effect
[00:31] <J4k3> I'm rick james beotch, enjoy yourself.
[00:33] <synth> racialist.
[00:34] <bob_> rationalist!
[00:40] <EraSeR> i update firmware now can't connect to SSH or TELNET. I scanned 192.168.1.1 one port open 110TCP(pop3).
[00:48] <Liraz> anyone here using thttpd?
[00:48] <Liraz> for someone reason i cant get it to load index.html, it simply loads a green page
[00:48] <Liraz> called Index of /
[00:49] <J4k3> whatever you think your webserver's home directory is
[00:49] <J4k3> its not.
[00:49] <dumpedcore> lol
[00:49] <dumpedcore> do a ps ax
[00:49] <Liraz> i set thttpd config to /www
[00:49] <dumpedcore> and look
[00:49] <dumpedcore> oh thhtpd
[00:49] <dumpedcore> i thought you were using busybox's httpd
[00:50] <dumpedcore> which has it set on the cmd line
[00:50] <Liraz> no :P
[00:50] <dumpedcore> so you can see it in ps
[00:50] <dumpedcore> checked permissions?
[00:50] <dumpedcore> have you tried addressing the file directly
[00:50] <dumpedcore> ie:
[00:50] <dumpedcore> http://server/index.html
[00:50] <Liraz> -C config, and i set it as /www in the config. yeah they seem all right, since it's symlinked from a nfs share
[00:50] <Liraz> yep
[00:50] <dumpedcore> even though it does that anyway
[00:50] <Liraz> it's not found
[00:50] <dumpedcore> hmm..
[00:50] <dumpedcore> try putting a real file there
[00:50] <dumpedcore> and see what happens
[00:51] <Liraz> i did
[00:51] <Liraz> the index.html -- i have temporarily made now is real, and it's not found
[00:51] <Liraz> :/
[00:52] <dumpedcore> hmm then you've definetely got a problem with the root
[00:52] <dumpedcore> maybe try specifying another directory
[00:53] <dumpedcore> just to see if it takes any notice of the data you put in the config file
[00:53] <Liraz> ok
[00:53] <Liraz> i'll try /eggtest
[00:53] Action: dumpedcore prefers the busybox httpd
[00:53] <Liraz> well i was going to experiment with php :)
[00:54] Action: dumpedcore hates php
[00:54] <dumpedcore> :)
[00:55] <Liraz> very weird indeed, i changed the directory etc and it brings me the default www page of openwrt(even though it's deleted) so i'm assuming somehow it's getting to /rom/www
[00:55] <This`That> anyone know the state of ncurses on the wrt? i searched for forum but found very little
[00:55] <Liraz> so in /eggtest index.html is basically totally ignored
[00:55] <dumpedcore> yep
[00:55] <dumpedcore> read the man page
[00:55] <dumpedcore> see if you've got the option right
[00:55] <dumpedcore> that specifies the root
[00:55] <dumpedcore> try restarting it manually
[00:55] <dumpedcore> killall thttpd
[00:56] <dumpedcore> (or whatever its called)
[00:56] <dumpedcore> then start it from the cmd line
[00:56] <Liraz> i have just tried sh S50thttpd restart
[00:56] <Liraz> ok
[00:56] <Liraz> will try
[00:57] <Liraz> cool for some odd reason i can load index.html but the main page is not working, it just shows the default openwrt one... will figure this one out
[00:58] <dumpedcore> nah
[00:58] <dumpedcore> don't do that
[00:58] <dumpedcore> it's pointless
[00:58] <dumpedcore> if the problem is in the script, you won't notice it
[00:58] <dumpedcore> stop it
[00:58] <dumpedcore> and then run it manually
[00:58] <Liraz> ok
[01:00] <dumpedcore> I KNOW
[01:00] Last message repeated 2 time(s).
[01:00] <dumpedcore> Liraz!!!
[01:01] <Liraz> what!what!! =) =) ?
[01:01] <dumpedcore> The openwrt page displayed because you're still running busybox's httpd
[01:01] <dumpedcore> as well
[01:01] <dumpedcore> ie - you're running two httpd's
[01:01] <Liraz> i checked, i cant see any httpd running
[01:01] <Liraz> :P
[01:01] <dumpedcore> hmm.. query me and we'll work it out
[01:19] <Susch|Zzz> morning
[01:31] <dumpedcore> morning (ugt) susch
[01:54] <GMsoft> mhh is this normal :
[01:54] <GMsoft> @OpenWrt:/# wl keys
[01:54] <GMsoft> eth1: Invalid argument
[01:54] <GMsoft> keys Prints a list of the current WEP keys
[01:56] <dumpedcore> no
[01:57] <dumpedcore> ifconfig
[01:57] <dumpedcore> and post the result to me
[01:57] <dumpedcore> another possibility is that you may be in the wrong mode
[01:58] <GMsoft> ah
[01:58] <GMsoft> tell me
[01:59] <dumpedcore> ok, i'll talk to you in query - keep the output from flooding channel when you paste the results, that's all
[01:59] <gerdi> please explain it here!
[02:00] <dumpedcore> GMsoft: actually it is normal behavior
[02:00] <dumpedcore> i've just checked
[02:00] <dumpedcore> I believe you must configure WEP first.
[02:00] <dumpedcore> Have you done that?
[02:00] <GMsoft> yes
[02:00] <GMsoft> well I tried
[02:00] <gerdi> I have the same problem .. but all is working! (with wep)
[02:01] <dumpedcore> wl wepstatus
[02:01] <dumpedcore> gerdi: yeah i don't think wl keys works
[02:01] <dumpedcore> try that GMsoft
[02:01] <gerdi> ahh ok ;)
[02:01] Action: dumpedcore does not use WEP, so can't be of much help.
[02:01] <GMsoft> it's on :)
[02:02] <GMsoft> @OpenWrt:/# wl primary_key 7e:41:6d:a7:de:f1:16:0a:79:84:7f:d6:c0
[02:02] <GMsoft> eth1: Invalid argument
[02:02] <gerdi> put the key direct in nvram
[02:02] <dumpedcore> yes
[02:02] <GMsoft> wl0_key1=7E416DA7DEF1160A79847FD6C0
[02:02] <dumpedcore> gerdi is right
[02:02] <GMsoft> I've tried that too
[02:03] <dumpedcore> hmm
[02:03] <gerdi> wl0_key1=XXXX....XXX
[02:03] <gerdi> hmm then it should work ;)
[02:04] <GMsoft> that's my expectation too :)
[02:04] <dumpedcore> dunno, GMsoft, I use an encrypted VPN for security.
[02:04] <dumpedcore> But i'm sure someone else will help you eventually if you stick around.
[02:05] <GMsoft> :)
[02:05] <GMsoft> btw I use vpn too but wep is kinda dissuasive :)
[02:05] <GMsoft> wl0_ap_ssid is for client mode right ? so I don't need it
[02:06] <dumpedcore> yep
[02:06] <dumpedcore> you don't need it
[02:07] <GMsoft> does iwconfig or wlanctl works with this card ?
[02:07] <GMsoft> I'm more used to them than wl
[02:07] <dumpedcore> no wireless extensions
[02:07] <GMsoft> too bad
[02:07] <dumpedcore> you can get the status of the connection and do some minor changes
[02:07] <dumpedcore> but nothing else
[02:09] <GMsoft> do you know where I could find the original firmware and try again with this one ?
[02:10] <dumpedcore> original firmware?
[02:11] <dumpedcore> as in the linksys stuff?
[02:11] <GMsoft> yeah. I need a working stuff but it will be temporary :)
[02:11] <dumpedcore> ftp://ftp.linksys.com/
[02:11] <GMsoft> heh of course. thanks :)
[02:12] <dumpedcore> np
[02:13] <dumpedcore> Shit - I decided to import my buildroot into my local CVS server..
[02:13] <gerdi> hehe .. iwlist eth1 key <--- shows the key ;) wl not ..
[02:13] <dumpedcore> Uncleaned it's 920 mb
[02:14] <dumpedcore> ie - straight after compilation, without make clean
[02:14] <GMsoft> if I configure wep with the original fw and then switch to openwrt, it should keep the settings since it's in nvram right ?
[02:14] <dumpedcore> yep
[02:14] <GMsoft> perfect :)
[02:14] <evil-dna> err.. i'll never have enough room to compile a toolchain :(
[02:15] <dumpedcore> big, huh?
[02:16] <evil-dna> i wish i could just figure the toolchain from linksys
[02:16] <evil-dna> bleh :/
[02:16] <evil-dna> it works but only with -static
[02:17] <dumpedcore> the stuff linksys made available was so dirty
[02:17] <evil-dna> ya
[02:18] <IRCMonkey> m
[02:31] <dumpedcore> !date
[02:31] <WifiJane> Pungenday, 4th Discord, 3171.
[02:32] <dumpedcore> Ahh, I love Pungenday
[02:32] <jnc> hm
[02:33] <jnc> i wish electricsheep.net was working
[02:35] <dumpedcore> Can't wait for Prickle-Prickle
[02:36] <jnc> not sure what that is, dumpedcore
[02:36] <dumpedcore> Sweetmorn, Boomtime, Pungenday, Prickle-Prickle and Setting Orange
[02:36] <dumpedcore> The discordian week ^^^^
[02:37] <dumpedcore> Oh, and let us not forget the great 'St Tib's Day' which is every 4 years, between 59th and 60th Chaos.
[02:44] <jnc> interesting.
[02:44] Action: jnc yawns
[02:44] <jnc> 'nite
[02:48] <dumpedcore> nite jnc
[02:48] <dumpedcore> take care
[03:13] <D|dge> I have a question regarding vlans
[03:13] <GMsoft> okay the original firmware gives me a ip
[03:13] <GMsoft> err
[03:13] <GMsoft> gives me wep
[03:14] <D|dge> http://www.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Configuration The ethernet switch states that you can change the vlan settings with vlan0ports="3 4 5*" and so on
[03:14] <D|dge> but that doesn't work?!
[03:31] <krt> didge: you rebooted after setting the vlan values?
[03:33] <D|dge> yes
[03:34] <D|dge> several times already
[03:34] <D|dge> they are not set by et0 as described in the Docs
[03:40] <dumpedcore> damn
[03:41] <dumpedcore> mtd crashed during writing to mtd1
[03:41] <{zombie}> D|dge: which model/version router are you using, and which vlan variables did you change?
[03:42] <tojoe> anoyone has the link to the ipkg-collection at hand?
[03:44] <D|dge> {zombie}: wrt54g 1.1
[03:44] <psyc> anyone here has python in wrt54g ?!
[03:44] <D|dge> vlan0ports=0 5 vlan1ports=1 2 5* vlan2ports=3 4 5
[03:46] <{zombie}> right. I don't know for certain if you can remap the vlans on that one
[03:49] <{zombie}> although if you are creating "vlan2ports" you will also need to set vlan2hwname=et0
[03:50] <{zombie}> psyc: isn't python kinda big?
[03:50] <psyc> {zombie}, yeah
[03:50] <psyc> thats why im asking
[03:50] <psyc> hehe
[03:51] <D|dge> {zombie}: I did that
[03:51] <psyc> {zombie}, i think that it can be done some hacking in python code and do it smaller
[03:52] <psyc> {zombie}, python 1.5.2 can be good
[03:52] <obi> is a source repository for the experimental buildroot2 stuff available somewhere?
[03:52] <tojoe> anyone knows if there's a simple queuing smtp for openwrt?
[03:52] <{zombie}> psyc: well I know someone who managed to squeeze java on a WRT by randomly removing class files and seeing if his app still ran, until he had the minimum required
[03:52] <AzzIzzA> where would it store the queue?
[03:52] <{zombie}> so I guess anything is possible if you are willing to hack at it :)
[03:53] <tojoe> AzzIzzA i only need a few kb
[03:53] <psyc> hehehe
[03:53] <tojoe> s/k//
[03:53] <psyc> {zombie}, i can remove the webserver, and other stuff
[03:53] <tojoe> just stuff like "power outage"/"power restored"
[03:53] <psyc> cause i will write it in python
[03:53] <AzzIzzA> tojoe: you could write one in python :)
[03:54] <tojoe> now with my (non existant) python skills
[03:54] <AzzIzzA> it would be easier to just telnet to the destination smtp server
[03:54] <AzzIzzA> and dump your message
[03:54] <tojoe> yeah, might be an issue if i cnat reach it though
[03:54] <AzzIzzA> true
[03:55] <psyc> i will try to put python 1.5.2
[03:55] <psyc> if i got sucess, i will post or do a package for it
[03:58] <tojoe> guess i'll have to come up with something myself then... a wrt54 is still cheaper than anything else to monitor a ups
[03:59] <tuxick> spare 486
[03:59] <tuxick> got 2 or 3 upstairs
[04:00] <tuxick> used to do what my wrt does now :)
[04:00] <tojoe> if i could fit them into the mast mount enclosure...
[04:00] <tuxick> heh
[04:00] <tojoe> it's already pretty stuffed with 3 routers and the ups
[04:00] <tuxick> then you end up using soekris or something, which is bound to cost more
[04:00] <tojoe> not really
[04:01] <tojoe> soekris + cf = 300$
[04:01] <tojoe> simple web-io = 400$
[04:01] <tuxick> wrt54gs is $70 or so
[04:01] <tuxick> $80, dunno
[04:01] <tojoe> apc management card (not that it would work with those cheapo ups') = 300$
[04:01] <tuxick> dorrah keeps falling!
[04:01] <tuxick> ah i see
[04:02] <tuxick> anyway, shopping time
[04:02] <{zombie}> tojoe: how are you going to monitor a UPS with only Tx and Rx (and ground) pins?
[04:02] <{zombie}> most UPSs use the cts/rts etc pins for status
[04:02] <tojoe> {zombie} thats not an issues as long as the adm6996 module works to query port link status
[04:03] <tojoe> using a relay to create a loopback and then checking link status works like a charm
[04:04] <{zombie}> fairynuf
[04:06] <Suschman> re
[04:14] <dumpedcore> grrr.. toolchain not compiling properly! damn it.
[04:24] <dumpedcore> woohoo - fixed it :)
[05:18] <wbx> dumpedcore: reason?
[05:20] <dumpedcore> wbx: my fault. i'd been editing a few of the kernel files, and stuffed up.
[05:53] <kodomo> hm - does somebody know of command line tool to convert pbm files into another image format (g3->something else 'd do as well ;) )
[05:53] <wbx> kodomo: netpbm package.
[05:53] <wbx> kodomo: or convert from imagemagick
[05:54] <kodomo> wbx: thx :)
[05:57] <kodomo> hm - do you know if there's an ipkg package yet or do I have to produce one myself?
[05:59] <wbx> kodomo: dunno.
[05:59] <wbx> kodomo: convert is c++ :{
[06:04] <kodomo> All right - I'll probably have to build my own then - could anybody assist me there?
[06:04] <wbx> kodomo: build a toolchain with c++
[06:05] <kodomo> wbx: the openwrt-toolchain should do, shouldn't it?
[06:06] <wbx> kodomo: but not with the default configuration
[06:06] <wbx> [*] Build/install c++ compiler and libstdc++?
[06:06] <wbx> in toolchain option
[06:06] <wbx> i am not sure if this will work.
[06:07] <solar> chances are you do not need that for anything
[06:08] <kodomo> all right - You're talking about experimental, as I've just built the stable toolchain -> no fancy menu I know of :)
[06:08] <dumpedcore> don't bother with stable
[06:08] <dumpedcore> experimental will become the new stable very soon
[06:09] <dumpedcore> stable is very close to being obsolete
[06:09] <kodomo> hm - maybe I should port my pl2303 and hfc_usb drivers to 2.4.29 then... *sigh*
[06:10] <kodomo> btw.: I didn't really check it 'til now, since there's no ipkg package I've found to use it with until now - but if someone's interested... I've ported the hfc_usb driver module from 2.6.8 to 2.4.20
[06:11] <kodomo> (my acer ta didn't work with the 2.4 one - but should with the 2.6 one)_
[06:11] <kodomo> so if someone's interested and willing to test it... :)
[06:14] <kodomo> anyways: anyways - I'll have to get the fax stuff running before that...
[06:19] <dumpedcore> hehe - a friend gave me his WRT to 'fix up'
[06:19] <dumpedcore> He had been using sveasoft, and wanted to go over to openwrt
[06:19] <dumpedcore> but didn't know how to set it all up...
[06:19] <wbx> kodomo: send me your patches.
[06:19] <dumpedcore> anyway, have a look at this - his nvram before and after I erased all the unnecessary variables from svea:
[06:19] <Sapote> hello!! i have a big problem.. cannot write in /etc read-only file system
[06:20] <Sapote> any helpme?
[06:20] <wbx> Sapote: read the wiki.
[06:20] <dumpedcore> that's not a big problem
[06:20] <Sapote> not?
[06:20] <mpot> Sapote: go read the userguide
[06:20] <Sapote> i read
[06:20] <dumpedcore> from this -- size: 18314 bytes (14454 left) to this -- 1474 bytes (31294 left)
[06:20] <wbx> Sapote: you will find the solution there.
[06:20] <Sapote> i read again
[06:20] <dumpedcore> what version you using sapote?
[06:20] <dumpedcore> you=are you
[06:20] <wbx> dumpedcore: stable, for sure.
[06:21] <Sapote> firstboot!!!!!!! aaaaaaaaggghghhhhhh i forget
[06:22] <Sapote> version 20050202
[06:23] <Sapote> snapshot 20050202
[06:23] <dumpedcore> wbx: yeah, but remember with experimental how you need to reboot after 1st installing.
[06:23] <dumpedcore> wbx: so i thought it may be that if it wasn't stable
[06:23] <Sapote> many thanks
[06:23] <dumpedcore> we didn't do anything
[06:23] <liraz> anyone know a free nfs server for windows?
[06:24] <liraz> i think one was mentioned called sfs? sfc ... i forgot
[06:24] <dumpedcore> unix services for windows or something it's all
[06:24] <dumpedcore> UFS
[06:24] <dumpedcore> i think
[06:24] <liraz> ok :P
[06:24] <dumpedcore> all=called
[06:24] <dumpedcore> SFS maybe?
[06:24] <dumpedcore> I'll look it up
[06:26] <dumpedcore> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sfu/default.asp
[06:26] <dumpedcore> hehe lol @ the name
[06:26] <dumpedcore> SFU
[06:26] <dumpedcore> microsoft really should SFU :)
[06:27] <liraz> nice thanks
[06:27] <liraz> lol stfu
[06:27] <liraz> sfu
[06:28] <dumpedcore> I reflashed my devel WRT - the one I test all my shit on...
[06:28] <dumpedcore> I've got a massive shell script that I use...
[06:28] <dumpedcore> which has *all* my modifications in it;
[06:28] <dumpedcore> it installs all the packages I need,
[06:28] <dumpedcore> creates my config files; edits /etc/init.d files... adds my cron jobs... :)
[06:29] <dumpedcore> I run a WISP and I got sick of repeatedly doing the same thing on many WRT's... so I wrote an automated script :)
[06:30] <dumpedcore> And with experimental, you need to do some very basic things, like add a group and passwd file...
[06:30] <liraz> whoaaa it's 228mb
[06:30] <dumpedcore> it's microsoft :)
[06:30] <dumpedcore> what do you expect
[06:30] <dumpedcore> :-P
[06:30] <liraz> wow, then i have to go somthing alternative.. i'm on australian broadband. or wait to next month to get this
[06:30] <liraz> lol damn sfu
[06:31] <Sapote> i resolv a BIG PROBLEM!! many thanks guys
[06:31] <Sapote> lol
[06:31] <liraz> dumpedcore:sweet. so you can deploy like 20 boxes fast by just flashing
[06:32] <dumpedcore> I actually did something even better for my WISP boxes.
[06:32] <liraz> what?
[06:32] <dumpedcore> I edited the built in filesystem
[06:32] <dumpedcore> So that everything was preconfigured.
[06:32] <liraz> Sapote:what happens with it?
[06:32] <dumpedcore> Just need to flash.
[06:33] <dumpedcore> I've got ssh setup for key-only authentication, so I can run a command on all my boxes at once very easily :)
[06:33] <liraz> i have no idea what that is, but running a command on all boxes at once is cool ;)
[06:34] <Sapote> only forget execute firstboot..
[06:34] <Sapote> i a big sucker
[06:38] <dumpedcore> liraz: do you use ssh?
[06:44] <liraz> dumpedcore:yes. but all I understand is that it's a secure telnet
[06:44] <liraz> :P
[06:48] <dumpedcore> !whereis 203.166.63.35
[06:48] <WifiJane> 203.166.63.35 (203.166.63.35) could be in: Australia
[06:51] <mboman> !whereis hacklab.homelinux.org
[06:51] <WifiJane> hacklab.homelinux.org (218.212.230.190) could be in: Singapore
[06:52] <webmind> looks about correct
[06:54] <frop> !whereis kalieye.net
[06:54] <WifiJane> i have nfi where kalieye.net is.
[06:54] <dumpedcore> This one's funny:
[06:54] <dumpedcore> !whereis 127.0.0.1
[06:54] <WifiJane> 127.0.0.1 (127.0.0.1) could be in: the U.S. Pentagon.
[06:55] <frop> 8)
[06:56] <frop> !whereis host35-1.pool8174.interbusiness.it
[06:56] <WifiJane> host35-1.pool8174.interbusiness.it (81.74.1.35) could be in: Italy
[06:56] <frop> smart
[06:57] <dumpedcore> lol
[06:59] <mboman> !whereis 192.168.1.1
[06:59] <WifiJane> i have nfi where 192.168.1.1 is.
[06:59] <liraz> loll
[07:00] <dumpedcore> !homeland
[07:00] <WifiJane> The American home land security level is: YOUR ALL SCREWED.
[07:01] <mboman> lol!
[07:02] <mpot> s/YOUR/YOU'RE
[07:02] Action: mpot wacks WifiJane with a dictionary
[07:02] Action: mpot throws a spellchecker towards WifiJane for good measure
[07:05] <Josephus> !whereis ::0
[07:05] <WifiJane> i have nfi where ::0 is.
[07:05] <Josephus> ain't that smarty
[07:05] <Josephus> :P
[07:10] <jnc> !whereis dot.fm
[07:10] <WifiJane> dot.fm (64.78.46.246) could be in: United States
[07:10] <jnc> poor bastards
[07:10] <liraz> !whereis chicken
[07:10] <WifiJane> i have nfi where p3E9EA08F.dip.t-dialin.net is.
[07:11] <jnc> so i think it's time i try experimental
[07:11] <Ksilebo|Kweh> o_O
[07:11] <Ksilebo> !whereis Ksilebo
[07:11] <jnc> i'm confused about what the actual procedure is to install it
[07:11] <WifiJane> i have nfi where d47-69-56-108.try.wideopenwest.com is.
[07:11] <Ksilebo> lol
[07:11] <jnc> errr. forgive my typing mischats it is early in the morning for me
[07:12] <jnc> i tried compiling the toolchain etc. that didn't work out for me
[07:12] <jnc> perhaps i should try a precompiled firmware?
[07:12] <dumpedcore> why didn't it work for you?
[07:13] <jnc> offhand, i do not remember. i could take a look at the error if you like?
[07:13] <dumpedcore> nah it's cool
[07:13] <dumpedcore> try experimental
[07:14] <jnc> i see many 'generic' images, and also one for the wrt54gs
[07:14] <jnc> forum posting says 'wrt54s'
[07:14] <jnc> but i do not see that
[07:14] <jnc> http://openwrt.org/downloads/experimental/bin/
[07:15] <jnc> my hardware is WRT54Gv2 (wrt54g with speedbooster)
[07:15] <Ksilebo> No, then its a WRT54GS
[07:16] <jnc> i was told this is the same as wrt54gv2, which is the FCCID indicated
[07:16] <Ksilebo> Do you have speedbooster or not?
[07:16] <jnc> yes
[07:16] <jnc> i do
[07:16] <Ksilebo> k.
[07:16] <Josephus> !whereis Josephus
[07:16] <jnc> i've been using the stable wrt54gs openwrt firmware
[07:16] <WifiJane> i have nfi where huwico.hu is.
[07:16] <Ksilebo> Carry on.
[07:16] <Josephus> ..
[07:17] <jnc> now, those bin files, the one for wrt54gs "jffs2" and "squashfs"
[07:17] <jnc> are those firmware or filesystems?
[07:17] <jnc> i do not understand if i am to do some magic with 'dd' utility to put the new fs on
[07:17] <jnc> or if those are in fact firmware
[07:22] <bob_> those are firmware
[07:22] <bob_> they're just using different filesystems
[07:33] <dumpedcore> hmmm.. i wish nbd was here...
[07:33] <dumpedcore> i've got a question about his new buildroot thingie
[07:48] <bob_> which buildroot is this?
[07:49] <kodomo> hm - configuring experimental: what does M signify for applications [ as opposed to * ] ?
[07:53] <wbx> kodomo: ipkg. instead of integration into the firmware
[07:53] <kodomo> thx
[07:58] <dumpedcore> bob: figured it out, no worries.
[07:58] <dumpedcore> bob: how's things?
[07:59] <bob_> i just woke up, haven't finished my first coffe yet, so things are in an undetermined state
[08:00] <dumpedcore> Today is Prickle-Prickle, isn't it?
[08:00] <dumpedcore> hang on
[08:00] <dumpedcore> !date
[08:00] <WifiJane> Pungenday, 4th Discord, 3171.
[08:00] <dumpedcore> Oh.. :)
[08:00] <bob_> Pungenday. Day of ths tsnarls
[08:01] <dumpedcore> My favorite day is Sweetmorn.
[08:01] <bob_> when is that again?
[08:01] <dumpedcore> yesterday I think
[08:01] <dumpedcore> yeah..
[08:01] <dumpedcore> no
[08:01] <nbd> .
[08:02] <dumpedcore> Sweetmorn, Boomtime, Pungenday, Prickle-Prickle, Setting Orange
[08:03] <bob_> how strange...my candle exploded
[08:04] <bob_> i have jar candles, because the heat doesn't work too well at night
[08:05] <bob_> and this one, suddenly, the glass just shattered all over the place
[08:05] <bob_> now there's wax and glass all over
[08:15] <Kaloz> wbx: syn
[08:23] <dumpedcore> that's not a good thing, bob :)
[08:24] <bob_> i just cleaned up. the mess wasn't as bad as i had feared, the way kept the glass from fragmenting too much.
[08:25] <bob_> the post-disasger analysis is as follows:
[08:26] <bob_> There was poor workmanship in the device. The manufacturer failed to keep the central element, the 'wick', properly aligned. This was probably due to a lack of tension during construction.
[08:27] <bob_> The resulting misplacement of the wick towards one side of the container caused the ignition point to lie against the glass, overheating it. Glass, being an insulator, does not conduct heat away from the ignition point very quickly.
[08:29] <bob_> Glass is also brittle. Expansion of the glass adjacent to the ignition point, due to the heat of ignition, caused expansion which was relieved by the device catastrophically shattering.
[08:30] <bob_> There's a new saying: Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Send a man to sleep with the fishes, and you'll never have to worry about him the rest of your life.
[08:30] <bob_> damn I think the coffee is working.
[08:31] <{zombie}> give a man a fire and he's warm for a night. set him on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life
[08:31] <bob_> yes i've heard that one and love it
[08:33] <Suschman> hum, how was the command to do a virtual remount of a direktory ?
[08:33] <Suschman> no linking ...
[08:33] <bob_> Evaluating Spontaneous Human Combustion: Menace or Boon?
[08:36] <Suschman> i found it ... mount bind
[08:40] <dumpedcore> rofl bob
[08:46] <psyc> hi, how can i set to linksys always boot from openwrt.... i just boot it with tftp
[08:49] <dumpedcore> what do you mean?
[08:49] <dumpedcore> you've flashed it
[08:49] <dumpedcore> it will always boot with linksys from now on
[08:49] <dumpedcore> until you flash it with something else
[08:50] <psyc> hmmmmm
[08:50] <psyc> another question, in the docs it said that there is 3 ethers
[08:51] <psyc> but isnt the wifi and lan the same ?
[08:59] <Blackvel> psyc: is it is, if you bridge (the "normal" way)
[09:02] <bob_> there was some router that would allow you to telnet in if the file /tmp/enabletelnet existed...or sommething similar...anyone remember which router that was?
[09:03] <bob_> never mind, found it, /tmp/telnetenable
[09:16] Action: kodomo states that building experimental takes a little bit more time than stable :P
[09:17] <Apexion> kodomo: that would be expected because it is compile much more software
[09:18] <kodomo> ^^
[09:21] <kodomo> Apexion: You know, I'm rather glad that my ever-idling CPU's got something to work on now at last - I was starting to wonder why I ever bought a newer computer than a P3 ;)
[09:23] <kodomo> but this hour of compile time and the current 99%CPU load tell me why...
[09:26] <Apexion> because it takes that long to compile (obvious statement)
[09:26] <Apexion> disable the modules to make the compile faster
[09:26] <Apexion> err packages not module
[09:33] <evil-dna> kodomo, you compiled a toolchain?
[09:35] <kodomo> still compiling ^^
[09:36] <Kaloz> wondering, how fast it will be on my new server :P
[09:36] <nbd> wbx: ping
[09:37] <wbx> nbd: pong
[09:37] <nbd> wbx: my download script with md5 checksumming is almost finished
[09:37] <nbd> wbx: just need to implement sourceforge downloading and it's done
[09:37] <Kaloz> wbx: synflood
[09:37] <Kaloz> :p
[09:37] <wbx> nbd: can you send a cvs diff -u for testing
[09:37] <evil-dna> so erm.. why doesnt openwrt have a binary toolchain for quick download and install? :P
[09:37] <nbd> wbx: haven't integrated it into the makefiles yet
[09:37] <wbx> evil-dna: publish one :p
[09:38] <evil-dna> well.. maybe someone like kodomo could..
[09:38] <evil-dna> i probably cant compile it so thats why im asking
[09:38] <Kaloz> wbx: can i dcc you the 53xx patch for et? and please give it a shot on one of your unit, i have only the gx to test with
[09:38] <evil-dna> it seems to require several gigs of disk space etc..
[09:38] <evil-dna> not everyone can do it
[09:38] <wbx> evil-dna: you know that it is problematic to make a toolchain which works great with every linux distribution?
[09:38] <Kaloz> wbx: eg give it a shot on the v2.2 or other 47xx one
[09:39] <wbx> i can test on gs1.0 and g2.2 , my asus is loan to a friend
[09:39] <Kaloz> wbx: okay, pelase do it. so can i dcc it over?
[09:39] <evil-dna> the only way i could maybe compile it is to put all the files on an usb drives that runs on usb 1.1
[09:40] <evil-dna> and i guess it would take a zillion years
[09:40] <wbx> yes. but i can test it tomorow...
[09:40] <evil-dna> on a piii 500 too :/
[09:40] <Kaloz> wbx: accept it :)
[09:40] <wbx> maybe we will provide toolchains after merging to main cvs.
[09:41] <evil-dna> great
[09:41] <Kaloz> wbx: btw, i commit my other changes to cvs then. when you update the tarball with this patch, the gd support will be there for experimental
[09:41] <nbd> perhaps we should implement something like 'make sdk' which builds a tarball containing a precompiled toolchain and staging dir with some additional stuff to build packages
[09:42] <wbx> nbd: nice idea. moving staging_dir out of build_mipsel would be great, too ;)
[09:42] <Kaloz> wbx: okie dokie? :p
[09:43] <Dagger> Pfft, it'll compile fine overnight... and maybe through work the next day or something... won't take unimaginably long... probably... :)
[09:43] <wbx> Kaloz: okay.
[09:44] <wbx> Kaloz: post some info to the forum... if we break something.
[09:44] <nbd> wbx: i'll work on that when my download stuff is in cvs ;)
[09:45] <wbx> nbd: are you a good english speaker?
[09:45] <nbd> wbx: don't know
[09:45] <Kaloz> wbx: we don't need it. my patches alone won't break anything, just fixes mainly
[09:45] <wbx> Kaloz: okay. commit it.
[09:46] <Kaloz> wbx: and the driver will be tested by you. the only difference, that the gd won't work without that patch :)
[09:46] <Kaloz> wbx: or wil lwork, just no ethernet :)
[09:47] <wbx> Kaloz: did you already have object files for et with patches included?
[09:47] <wbx> Kaloz: this would simplify the process of updating the tgz on my server :}
[09:47] <nbd> wbx: why are you asking?
[09:47] Action: wbx would like to save time
[09:47] Action: wbx is very hungry
[09:47] <wbx> nbd: do you know whatthehack?
[09:48] <nbd> wbx: i plan on going there
[09:48] <coder> hex2005
[09:48] <wbx> nbd: nice.
[09:48] <Kaloz> wbx: well, i want you to test it the virgin way :p as people will meet them ;)
[09:48] <nbd> wbx: including the hacktrain
[09:48] <wbx> nbd: maybe we could present openwrt there.
[09:48] <nbd> wbx: good idea
[09:50] <wbx> i need some food, cya later
[09:51] <nbd> cya
[09:52] <Kaloz> okay, commited
[09:54] <nbd> Kaloz: by the way... you don't need to update version numbers in control files
[09:54] <nbd> Kaloz: the make-ipkg-dir.sh script does that automatically
[09:54] <wbx> Kaloz: nice, you added iptables 1.3
[09:54] <Kaloz> wbx: nbd added it
[09:54] <Kaloz> imho :)
[09:55] <nbd> nope
[09:55] <Kaloz> then who? :D
[09:55] <wbx> fuck.
[09:55] <wbx> kill me.
[09:56] <Kaloz> hehe, so you added it :p does it work? :D
[09:57] <wbx> it was a mistake. i changed some sf mirrors.
[09:57] <Kaloz> anyway, maybe it will just work :P
[09:57] <Kaloz> at least you have another thing to test tomorrow :)
[09:57] <nbd> i updated ipp2p, so that doesn't break it
[09:57] <wbx> maybe :} last time i checked, only the addon ipippp does not work
[09:57] <Kaloz> hehe
[09:58] <Kaloz> lucky ;)
[09:59] <bob_> we need to make a distcc cluster for wrt54g
[09:59] <wbx> Kaloz: it compiles fine ;)
[09:59] <wbx> Kaloz: that is the reason i did not recognized it
[09:59] <Kaloz> nbd: btw, did you add Oleg's lzma-loader?
[09:59] <nbd> Kaloz: not yet
[10:00] <Kaloz> nbd: okay. just form CHANGES :)
[10:00] <wbx> i say we need a mailinglist ;)
[10:00] <Kaloz> nope
[10:00] <Kaloz> :)
[10:00] <Kaloz> i wanted a bugzilla, but mbm didn't like the idea :)
[10:00] <wbx> shit.
[10:00] <wbx> what about the trac and subversion? :}
[10:00] <nbd> i think a mailing list would be really helpful
[10:01] <Kaloz> wbx: shut up
[10:01] <Kaloz> wbx: i don't wanna hear that word again
[10:01] <wbx> we should fork :p
[10:01] <Kaloz> :p
[10:01] <nbd> :p
[10:01] <Kaloz> you will die
[10:01] <Kaloz> :P
[10:01] <bob_> subvertedsub
[10:01] Action: wbx is shooting in his foot
[10:02] <wbx> but a mailinglist is very cool for developer communication
[10:02] <nbd> yes
[10:02] <wbx> we need some kind of tool to look at patches before committing,
[10:02] <nbd> much more convenient than a forum, and it can be archived, too
[10:02] <Kaloz> my new server is here.. it will have enough power for these toys, if we want it
[10:02] <bob_> i like mailing lists
[10:02] <bob_> but then again I miss the twentieth century
[10:03] <Kaloz> just i'm waiting for hoary freeze, then it can go in and arrakis will reborn :)
[10:03] <wbx> now i go.
[10:04] <Kaloz> nbd: btw, why do you say i don't have to update the control files?
[10:05] <nbd> Kaloz: because the script will put the right version in the package anyway
[10:05] <nbd> Kaloz: so you can put anything in the version header of the control file
[10:05] <Kaloz> ah, i see
[10:06] <Kaloz> nbd: anyway, cosmetically i like updating those, too :)
[10:06] <nbd> Kaloz: maybe we should remove the version header, then we won't need any more cosmetic updates
[10:06] <Josephus> cosmetically :P
[10:08] <Apexion> I would like to contribute.
[10:09] <Apexion> What do you need ppl to work on?
[10:13] <ay> I have a asus wl500g running Oleg's custom firmware. What are the pros/cons of running openwrt vs olegs custom firmware on the asus wl500g?
[10:15] <nbd> ay: just try it and see for yourself
[10:16] <nbd> ay: just use latest experimental
[10:16] <nbd> ay: and if there's something missing in openwrt, which you need... just tell us
[10:17] <Kaloz> nbd: he will miss the webinterface (untel dumpedcore is ready with that)
[10:17] Action: ay does not really like webinterfaces.
[10:17] <Kaloz> ah, then nothing
[10:17] <Kaloz> :)
[10:17] <ay> But need usb-support
[10:18] <ay> Is it powerfull enough to run snort loggin to a remote mysql/postgress database?
[10:18] <Josephus> you just have to compile usb suport in to the kernel
[10:19] <ay> Nice.
[10:19] <Kaloz> Apexion: pm
[10:19] <ay> So except webinterface there is no cons. What about pros?
[10:19] <Kaloz> 2.4.29 kernel, fully writable filesystem
[10:19] <dumpedcore> there's a few of them around my town
[10:19] <Josephus> 2.4.29
[10:20] <Kaloz> lot of packages, fully costumization
[10:21] <Josephus> openwrt is a base system, oleg's stuff is based on the asus original fw
[10:21] <Kaloz> Josephus: well, (imho) we are not a base system anymore. a 'distribution' is a better word for what we do :)
[10:21] <ay> Yupp. I was just wondering about the compatibily since openwrt is linksysorented and the asus has usb and stuff.
[10:22] <Josephus> Kaloz: can i get a live cd?
[10:22] <Josephus> :D
[10:22] <ay> Anyone run snort on these things? is 125Mhz enough or does it go into a grinding halt?
[10:23] <Kaloz> ay: openwrt isn't really linksysorented :p we support a lot of units (unlike others)
[10:23] <dumpedcore> it's broadcom oriented :)
[10:23] <Kaloz> ay: well, the real problem would be memory. but with usb, you can have swap :p
[10:24] <dumpedcore> are they only 125 mhz?
[10:24] <Kaloz> dumpedcore: yeah, for now :p still waiting my gigabyte router to get back
[10:24] <dumpedcore> damn
[10:24] <ay> Yupp. But this channel's name etc..
[10:24] <Kaloz> dumpedcore: the asus wl500g is a v1 hardware
[10:24] <dumpedcore> ahh that sucks
[10:24] <dumpedcore> but usb makes it worth it
[10:24] <Kaloz> ay: it started that way :)
[10:25] <Kaloz> dumpedcore: i just commited the stuff for supporting the asus deluxe. only the ethernet driver needs to be tested by wbx
[10:25] Action: ay does only have one usb-disk, and that one is 250GB...
[10:25] <Kaloz> dumpedcore: that has a 200mhz cpu, 4 mb flash, 32mb ram, and 2x usb2.0
[10:25] Action: ay . o O ( 250GB swap... )
[10:25] <Josephus> 2 more usb on the board
[10:25] <dumpedcore> nice :)
[10:25] <Josephus> :)
[10:25] <dumpedcore> very nice
[10:26] <dumpedcore> you could use a hub though :)
[10:26] <dumpedcore> slower, i know
[10:26] <Kaloz> Josephus: yeah, but those need power, too :)
[10:26] <dumpedcore> kaloz: i take it you can use a hub?
[10:26] <Josephus> you can
[10:26] <dumpedcore> you know what would be good...
[10:27] <dumpedcore> if we could get a USB phone working
[10:27] <Josephus> but no jtag
[10:27] <Josephus> heh :)
[10:27] <Kaloz> maniac
[10:27] <Kaloz> :p
[10:27] <dumpedcore> hehe that'd be great
[10:27] <dumpedcore> i could put a phone in the garage
[10:27] <dumpedcore> :)
[10:28] <Kaloz> :D
[10:28] <ay> Hm. What do download? Latest snapshot? From 2 feb?
[10:28] <dumpedcore> nah
[10:28] <dumpedcore> go experimental
[10:28] <Kaloz> ay: depends
[10:28] <dumpedcore> IMO
[10:28] <Kaloz> ay: are you brave and want to see a brand new world? :)
[10:28] <ay> I am.
[10:28] <Josephus> it has a serial port, with a serial modem we can make a voip phone which switchs between analog and serialmodem line :)
[10:28] <Kaloz> ay: http://openwrt.org/downloads/experimental/bin/openwrt-generic-jffs2-4MB.trx
[10:28] <ay> But at some point. The Asus is going to be my main firwall/router
[10:29] <ay> Why does the snapshots stop at 2 feb?
[10:29] <dumpedcore> development of stable has pretty much stopped
[10:29] <Kaloz> ay: then keep a working firmware on the lan. and you can reflash, if you feel missing
[10:29] <dumpedcore> experimental is getting ready to become 'stable'
[10:29] <Kaloz> yep. we only work on the experimental tree
[10:29] <Kaloz> oka,y next time i let dumpedcore tell it
[10:29] <Kaloz> :P
[10:30] <dumpedcore> :-P
[10:30] <Kaloz> or we should program WifiJane to answer faq
[10:30] <Kaloz> :)
[10:30] <dumpedcore> hehe...
[10:30] <dumpedcore> better than getting a coarse answer from mbm :)
[10:30] <Kaloz> ay: and the packages for it -> http://openwrt.org/downloads/experimental/bin/packages/
[10:31] <Josephus> Kaloz: we should bring up WifiJames and let them argue with each other :D
[10:31] <dumpedcore> :-)
[10:31] <Kaloz> lol
[10:31] <dumpedcore> i think wifijane is wrt's bitch
[10:32] <Josephus> what a whore
[10:38] Action: dumpedcore got sick of using ipkg-tools
[10:38] <dumpedcore> so I wrote my own make-ipkg
[10:39] <dumpedcore> in 13 lines of sh
[10:42] <hynea> anyone here used a wrt54gs-bp for openwrt?
[10:47] <Kaloz> -bp?
[10:47] <hynea> strange, i know
[10:48] <hynea> http://tinyurl.com/4eug7
[10:48] <hynea> its not listed on linksys's product pages
[10:48] <hynea> i wonder if its a typo or such @ sams
[10:49] <hynea> i have one arriving here in a few mins
[10:49] <Kaloz> imho it should be a typo only
[10:49] <tojoe> prolly just a localisation like the -de or -ge is for germany
[10:50] <none-> does anyone know if openwrt project supports WRT55AG ?
[10:51] <Kaloz> none-: v1 or v2?
[10:51] <none-> hmm, didnt know there are two versions of wrt55ag
[10:52] <none-> probably v1 since i never noticed it
[10:54] <Kaloz> if it's a v1, it could be easy to get it to work
[10:54] <Kaloz> can you check it? (there should be no version numbers on the label)
[10:55] <ay> @OpenWrt:/#
[10:55] <ay> :-)
[10:55] <Kaloz> ay ;)
[10:57] <[mbm]> guessing the -bp is just a packaged set of router+wireless card
[10:57] <dumpedcore> wb mbm
[10:58] <Kaloz> yo [mbm]
[11:03] <none-> Kaloz: i check it, there's no version number as you said
[11:03] <Wilik> hrm...
[11:03] <none-> u think it might be possible to use openwrt?
[11:03] <Wilik> having a problem compiling the openwrt firmware
[11:03] <Wilik> I get this error
[11:03] <Wilik> buildroot/toolchain_build_mipsel/binutils-2.14.90.0.8/binutils/../ylwrap: line 86: -d: command not found
[11:04] <Wilik> any idea what I may need to install to make it work?
[11:04] <Kaloz> none-: yep
[11:04] <J4k3> does anyone know where theres an installation guide for openwrt?
[11:04] <J4k3> the userguide is a bit broken
[11:04] <J4k3> http://openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs
[11:04] <Kaloz> none-: if you go into the setup page in the browser, what firmware version do you see?
[11:04] <none-> let me check
[11:04] <J4k3> if you hit install, it takes you to the about openwrt page unluckily :P
[11:05] <none-> 1.04
[11:05] <Wilik> http://www.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Installing
[11:05] <none-> 1.04, jun 30, 2003
[11:05] <Kaloz> woohoo
[11:05] <J4k3> ah cool
[11:05] <Kaloz> looks liek you have a v1
[11:06] <Kaloz> :)
[11:06] <Kaloz> none-: come to pm
[11:13] <evil-dna> yoda
[11:13] <evil-dna> :P
[11:15] <J4k3> http://bubbrubb.isgreat.tv/magicgallery/03-02-2003-BubbRubbyoda.htm
[11:15] <J4k3> yoda.
[11:15] <J4k3> woo woo
[11:28] <ay> Hm. "The lack of a jffs2 partition will automatically trigger the firstboot script which will run in the background"
[11:28] <ay> That does not happen.
[11:32] <selfd> hiya all.
[11:32] <selfd> I'm trying to put the factory firmware back on my wrt54g... yeah, I know... and I get a "Error code 3: transfer cancelled" every time.
[11:33] <ay> A reboot did the trick
[11:33] <selfd> It transfers most of the firmware before this happens. Any suggestions?
[11:34] <selfd> doh.. a FAQ... nevermind...
[11:46] <rasq> why are there no more binary-snapshots?
[11:46] <rasq> last ist dated Feb.ß5
[11:47] <ay> The OpenWrtDocs on ASUS wl500g using the experimental image does not seem to be in sync.
[11:48] <ay> First time boot. I get 100% full disk. Next boot i get 53% full disk, but bot times the mount command gives me a diffent output than in the docs.
[11:49] <ay> /dev/root 3072 1628 1444 53% /
[11:49] <ay> @OpenWrt:/# mount
[11:49] <ay> /dev/root on / type jffs2 (rw)
[11:49] <ay> Not /dev/mtdblock/4 on / type jffs2 (rw) as in the docs.
[11:49] <ay> And in the scripts.
[11:50] <ay> And nothing is mounted under /rom...
[11:50] <ay> Hm.
[11:52] Action: ay misses iproute2.
[11:52] <selfd> ok, so I am having problems... I've sent the OWRT firmware to the device. Do I need to restart/reset it?
[11:53] <peerce> hey, anyone got recommendations or ideas for a firewall script that will catch too many SSH login attempts from a particular IP and add a hard block (iptables filter) for all traffic from that address?
[11:56] <psyc> anyone know if its possible to expand the storage from wrt54g ?
[11:57] <dumpedcore> me's firmware upload is now working :)
[11:57] <dumpedcore> ms's=my
[11:58] <dumpedcore> Just like in the 'real' Linksys - you can send the new file using your browser.
[11:58] <peerce> psyc; get a wrt54gs and double the storage. thats your only option, unless you wanna hack surface mount chips and put the GS's memory/flash chips on the G
[11:58] <psyc> peerce, hmmmmmm
[11:59] <J4k3> psyc: get an Asus unit with a USB port, and slap a thumbdrive in it
[11:59] <peerce> yeah, or use NFS or whatever on your LAN side
[12:00] <psyc> Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on
[12:00] <psyc> /dev/root 832.0k 832.0k 0 100% /
[12:00] <psyc> /dev/mtdblock/4 2.2M 324.0k 1.9M 14% /jffs
[12:00] <psyc> /dev/mtdblock/1 3.7M 516.0k 3.2M 14% /rom
[12:00] <hynea> linksys makes network fileservers too
[12:00] <nbd> wbx: just finished the download script... wanna see?
[12:00] <psyc> is this right ?
[12:00] <hynea> i think you can hack the firmware on them too
[12:00] <dumpedcore> nbd: mike@dilaudid.net - do tell
[12:00] <dumpedcore> brb
[12:00] <nbd> dumpedcore: i'll dcc it
[12:01] <peerce> mine looks like...
[12:01] <peerce> Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
[12:01] <peerce> .say /dev/root 896 896 0 100% /rom
[12:01] <peerce> /dev/mtdblock/4 6272 1720 4552 27% /
[12:01] <peerce> barf. never mind.
[12:01] <psyc> hehehe
[12:01] <peerce> Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
[12:01] <peerce> /dev/root 896 896 0 100% /rom
[12:01] <peerce> /dev/mtdblock/4 6272 1720 4552 27% /
[12:01] <peerce> damnit.
[12:01] <psyc> use -h
[12:01] <psyc> :P
[12:01] <peerce> -h /dev/root 896 896 0 100% /rom
[12:01] <hynea> /exec -o cat df.txt? :)
[12:01] <peerce> -h /dev/mtdblock/4 6272 1720 4552 27% /
[12:02] <peerce> ./dev/root 896 896 0 100% /rom
[12:02] <peerce> ./dev/mtdblock/4 6272 1720 4552 27% /
[12:03] <dumpedcore> nbd: received
[12:03] <peerce> anyways, I don't understand why your /rom shows freespace.
[12:03] <dumpedcore> Looks good
[12:03] <dumpedcore> :)
[12:03] <peerce> i'm running a rather old openwrt
[12:03] <dumpedcore> I'll brb.
[12:04] <peerce> last october, aynways
[12:04] <psyc> @OpenWrt:/# df -h
[12:04] <psyc> Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on
[12:04] <psyc> /dev/root 832.0k 832.0k 0 100% /
[12:04] <psyc> /dev/mtdblock/4 2.2M 324.0k 1.9M 14% /jffs
[12:04] <psyc> this is right ?!
[12:04] <nbd> looks right
[12:04] <peerce> thats more like it.
[12:04] <psyc> my /rom was showing freespace cause i moutn /dev/mtdblock/1
[12:04] <psyc> there
[12:05] <peerce> I guess there's about 1MB of the actual flash thats not accessible. you show a total of about 3MB, I have 7MB. its really 4MB and 8MB
[12:05] <peerce> that 1MB must be the boot block and stuff
[12:05] <nbd> and the linux kernel ;)
[12:06] <peerce> oh, the kernel isn't in a file system? I assumed it would be in /rom
[12:06] <peerce> i haven't been wrt hacking for awhile
[12:06] <nbd> cfe doesn't know about the rom filesystem, so the kernel has to be outside of it
[12:07] <peerce> hey, you guys know anything about eWRT ?
[12:07] <nbd> isn't that yet another fork of crappysoft?
[12:07] <peerce> i don't think so.
[12:08] <peerce> i thought it was a fork of openwrt
[12:08] <peerce> claims to be a linksys fork which uses openwrt's JFFS
[12:09] <peerce> has nocatsplash integrated
[12:10] <nbd> they were based on crappysoft code some time ago, but they dumped that stuff for the latest version
[12:13] <peerce> ah
[12:15] <peerce> anyways. no ideas on how to do iptables rules and whatever scripting to add a IP to a block list after X many failed ssh login attempts?
[12:17] <nbd> peerce: i think i've got an idea
[12:17] <nbd> peerce: i don't know if you can write this easily in shell, but at least in perl it should be possible (and i ported perl over to openwrt)
[12:18] <peerce> I could do this on a regular linux box if needs be.
[12:18] <nbd> peerce: you could run logread -f, pipe it to a grep and use that data to remember failed login attempts and create iptables rules
[12:18] <peerce> forward external ssh's to the internal box, let it act as a gateway
[12:18] <nbd> peerce: it's possible on the wrt
[12:19] <peerce> yeah, its that middle part what has me worried. :D
[12:19] <peerce> kinda heuristic, i.e. soft n fuzzy.
[12:19] <nbd> peerce: in perl it's easy to do
[12:19] <nbd> peerce: if you know perl, that is
[12:19] <peerce> i'm not very good in perl. better in C or whatever.
[12:20] <peerce> its coming up with a decent set of rules, like how many failed attempts in what time frame constitutes a problem
[12:21] <peerce> i'm starting to learn PHP too, and the site this is at does most of its scripting in php because the guy who setup their websites was a real php hound
[12:21] <peerce> he even wrote his cron jobs in php :D
[12:21] Action: nbd thinks php sucks
[12:21] <peerce> its good for web/database stuff
[12:21] <nbd> because it encourages insecurity, has an ugly syntax and is slow
[12:22] <peerce> drives me nuts sorting out " and ' tho, between php and postgres :D
[12:22] <nbd> perl does a much better job even for web/database stuff
[12:22] <peerce> what, using mod_perl?
[12:22] Action: selfd thinks php is ok until you try to write software with it
[12:22] <nbd> you can use it with mod_perl or just cgi
[12:22] <peerce> cgi is a pig.
[12:23] <peerce> god, forking perl on every hit? EEEK
[12:23] <nbd> mod_perl is a lot faster and you can do some cool stuff with it
[12:23] <peerce> their website gets 100s of hits a minute
[12:23] <nbd> i'm hacking on a forum software in mod_perl - uses xml/xslt for templating/language stuff, postgres as db and it caches all the template/language stuff, so it's really fast
[12:24] <nbd> it's just not feature complete, yet - but the architecture's pretty stable
[12:24] <peerce> frankly, I'd rather do the web 'scripting' in java w/ tomcat, but its not done that way now
[12:24] <nbd> java is a little to strict for my taste
[12:25] <peerce> perl is a little too squishy for my taste :D
[12:25] <selfd> nbd. java + AOP makes java seriously fun :-)
[12:26] <selfd> aspectwerkz.codehaus.org
[12:26] <selfd> fun, fun, fun (I'm a perl/python/ruby/java hack, myself)
[12:26] <peerce> nbd; is this perl forum released anywhere? this site is actually looking for a new forum, wants just a single topic/thread, latest on top, almost more wiki/blog than forum, but with forum style editing and vBBS style formatting functionality.
[12:26] <nbd> peerce: not yet... but it will be when it's ready
[12:26] <nbd> peerce: i'll put it on sourceforge, when it's somewhat usable as a forum
[13:23] <bob_> damn, i came across a big pile of books on the sidewalk
[13:23] <bob_> brought about 40 lbs hme with me...can't help myself
[13:27] <ay> Hm. My nvram is filled with all kind of crap from olegs firmware and the asus firmware. Is there any way to clean it up? Reset it or something?
[13:37] <davygrvy> What is the proper firmware to use on a wrt54gs v1.1?
[13:46] <CRC_> ay: I use 'mtd erase nvram'
[13:46] <CRC_> ay: but you'll lose *ALL* settings in there
[13:47] Action: davygrvy is AWAY: mostly offscreen
[13:48] <CRC_> davygrvy: try http://mirrors.wireless.org.au/rodent.za.net/files/openwrt/
[13:48] <davygrvy> k
[13:49] <[mbm]> use the experimental stuff; save the headaches
[13:49] <davygrvy> tnks
[13:49] <nbd> why are people still recommending rodent's stuff?
[13:49] <[mbm]> because they don't know any better?
[13:49] <CRC_> where's this experimental stuff?
[13:50] <nbd> http://openwrt.org/downloads/experimental/
[13:50] <CRC_> no link to it on the installing page at all
[13:50] <CRC_> no link to it from http://www.openwrt.org/
[13:50] <nbd> [mbm]: when my downloading stuff is finished... should i just commit it after testing it or post a patch?
[13:50] <[mbm]> CRC_: not like we link rodent either :P
[13:50] <dumpedcore> nbd: I can't believe that guy. All he did was chop the filesystem off an openwrt image and attach it to an offiicial linksys...
[13:51] <dumpedcore> nbd: and yet he claimed it was so much more :)
[13:51] <CRC_> http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&lr=&q=link:2vrtvjtYkTwJ:openwrt.org/downloads/experimental/
[13:51] <CRC_> no links to that at all according to google :\
[13:52] <CRC_> meh - it worked....
[13:52] <[mbm]> it's linked from the forum, you know, that post wedged at the top of the general forum?
[13:52] <CRC_> can I suggest linking to it from the site as well?
[13:52] <CRC_> somewhere...
[13:52] <[mbm]> you did, no.
[13:53] <CRC_> ok..
[13:53] <dumpedcore> nbd: thankyou again for your help before.
[13:53] <nbd> dumpedcore: no problem
[13:53] <CRC_> then that's the reason why people still recommend the rodent firmware...
[13:53] <[mbm]> like I said, they're clueless :)
[13:54] <CRC_> makeing it more obvious helps..
[13:55] <dumpedcore> nbd: we can now claim to be the only web interface that lets you upload via HTTP using your browser's post function - and, not to mention, the VFS module that lets you type in a remote URL and it will automatically get it. There's support for http://, ftp://, scp: and tcp:
[13:55] <dumpedcore> nbd: and integrated md5sum validation.
[13:56] <dumpedcore> [mbm]: wanted to make it a little bit clearer, eh? :-)
[13:56] <[mbm]> nah, just tired of "why don't you ..."
[13:57] <dumpedcore> Hmm, but I've got a suggestion....
[13:57] <dumpedcore> Only joking :)
[14:00] <dumpedcore> mbm: as I said to nbd, we've finally got the firmware upgrade function working :)
[14:02] <hynea> does openwrt try to enable boot_wait if it can?
[14:02] <hynea> like hyperwrt does?
[14:03] <[mbm]> dumpedcore: shouldn't be any more than an mtd write
[14:04] <Erik_-> how many wrt54gs do i need to cover 22.000 m² with wlan ?
[14:04] <dumpedcore> mbm: oh, that's the easy bit.
[14:04] <dumpedcore> mbm: the hard bit was parsing the MIME headers and everything.
[14:04] <dumpedcore> mbm: because we had to do that all ourself;
[14:04] <dumpedcore> mbm: as we don't have something like CGI.pm to do it for us.
[14:09] <davygrvy> Erik_-: 10baseT over CAT5 does a good 2 kilometers if not more..
[14:09] <davygrvy> AFAIK
[14:11] <Erik_-> davygrvy its a stadiu that is 100m X 230m
[14:12] <davygrvy> sounds under runs of less than 2km to me
[14:12] <davygrvy> ohh.. you mean wifi range?
[14:12] <Erik_-> davygrvy its not lan its wlan and about 200-300 useres
[14:12] <Erik_-> yes
[14:13] <CRC_> considering you can only effectivly use 3.........
[14:13] <Erik_-> CRC_ i now
[14:13] <Erik_-> 1,6,11
[14:13] <CRC_> so use 3 :)
[14:13] <davygrvy> oh, your concat of wlan doesn't wide-area network.. you meant wireless
[14:15] <Erik_-> davygrvy WAN = wide-area network , WLAN = wireless :)
[14:15] <hynea> i wouldnt use linksys for serving up lots of users :(
[14:15] Action: davygrvy needs to get eyes checked.. wan != wlan
[14:15] <hynea> i get about 60ft radius from them in a hotel environment
[14:15] <hynea> indoors, lotsa walls
[14:16] <CRC_> I can get 500m+ open space...
[14:16] <CRC_> tho we usually use motorola canopy stuff for that...
[14:16] <hynea> have you tried diff antennas and things?
[14:16] <CRC_> use 3-5db antennas...
[14:17] <CRC_> 3 x channels
[14:17] <CRC_> and you should get pretty solid coverage...
[14:17] <hynea> i've been using the netgear ap's with the 500mW power booster
[14:17] <hynea> those are awesome
[14:17] <hynea> but they discontinued them
[14:18] <ay_> Hmpf. What is the proper way to disable telet, or atleast configure it to ask for a password.
[14:18] Action: ay_ does not like the default at all.
[14:18] <CRC_> ay_: rm /etc/init.d/S50telnet
[14:18] <bob_> it's called "open" wrt for a reason
[14:18] <CRC_> I'm pretty sure thats the file from memory
[14:18] <dumpedcore> That's very permanent, CRC :)
[14:18] <CRC_> dumpedcore: yes :)
[14:18] <dumpedcore> chmod -x /etc/init.d/S50telnet
[14:19] <dumpedcore> That's a better idea - as he may want to enable it again one day.
[14:19] <dumpedcore> And will have to rewrite the script, otherwise.
[14:19] Action: ay_ rm'ed it.
[14:19] Action: nbd should implement some configuration stuff for this
[14:19] <ay_> Is it easy to make it ask for password instead.
[14:19] <CRC_> heh
[14:20] <CRC_> first thing I do is to disable telnet...
[14:20] Action: nbd probably will implement some stuff for it
[14:20] <CRC_> have serial port on it for a reason...
[14:20] <ay_> telnet is fine when you're connecting trough the switch on the asus wl500g
[14:20] <ay_> But not passwordless.
[14:21] <ay_> A default password would be nice.
[14:21] <bob_> is it posible to netbook openwrt?
[14:21] <bob_> ack
[14:21] <bob_> ll
[14:21] <bob_> hrm net fart there
[14:21] <bob_> netboot i meant
[14:21] <CRC_> bob_: don't think so... there's no place to add it
[14:21] <hynea> netboot would be awesome
[14:21] <bob_> there is if you are using the wgt ;)
[14:21] <CRC_> change the root to NFS may be possible...
[14:22] <hynea> kexec hasnt been ported to mips afaik
[14:22] <krt> ay_ install dropbear, remove telnet :-)
[14:23] <dumpedcore> ay: if you ever change your mind do this
[14:23] <dumpedcore> f=/etc/init.d/S50telnet; echo -e "#!/bin/sh\n/usr/sbin/telnetd -l /bin/login" >$f && chmod 755 $f
[14:23] <dumpedcore> krt: yep, you're right.
[14:23] <dumpedcore> Install dropbear
[14:23] <dumpedcore> Configure it for key-based auth.
[14:23] <dumpedcore> And you'll never need to type a password in again :)
[14:23] <bob_> how about kernos ?
[14:23] <bob_> kernberos
[14:24] <bob_> i cant type any moore
[14:24] <ay_> I've allready done that.
[14:24] <dumpedcore> I've got a mesh with 18 or so WRT's .. you know how great it is being able to just make up a script and run the same thing on all of the WRT's ...
[14:24] <ay_> But for sake of documentation.
[14:24] <dumpedcore> That's the beauty of ssh and passwordless authentication.
[14:25] <ay_> First thing i did when i logged into the aus wl500g was to insatll dropbear and set password with ssh
[14:25] <ay_> And though i was safe.
[14:25] <ay_> But just found out that you could still log in through telenet with no password
[14:25] <ay_> *shiver*
[14:25] <hynea> nmap :)
[14:25] <ay_> s/set password with ssh/set password with passwd/g
[14:25] <bob_> hehe telenet
[14:25] <bob_> 3110
[14:26] <ay_> I have no problems with telnet iself when i'm telenet from a swich (more scared of exploits in ssh :-)
[14:26] <davygrvy> dumpedcore: http://expect.nist.gov
[14:27] <ay_> I though when i ran "passwd" and set the password. Telnet would start using it.
[14:27] <ay_> Unexpected.
[14:27] <dumpedcore> nah, telnetd is run with -l /bin/login so it goes straight in.
[14:28] <dumpedcore> davygrvy: but that's not needed when you've got passwordless auth
[14:28] <ay_> dumpedcore: Yes. And that's a little bit scare when I though I set a password using passwd.
[14:28] <dumpedcore> there's no passwords to enter
[14:28] <dumpedcore> so no need for expect
[14:28] <davygrvy> dumpedcore: k.. gotcha.. thought you were asking how to script..
[14:29] <dumpedcore> davygrvy: nah thanks anyway though. i've already got everything setup. :)
[14:29] <davygrvy> kewl
[14:29] <dumpedcore> ay: yeah, can't say I agree with the default of not having any password validation on telnet.
[14:30] <dumpedcore> brb
[14:30] Action: ay_ think having a default password would be a improvement. And maybe disabling telenet when installing ssh. Or atleast document how to disable it :-)
[14:30] <[mbm]> it's simple: telnet is insecure; we're not going to add passwords and pretend it is -- someone might believe us
[14:31] Action: ay_ disagrees.
[14:31] <nbd> [mbm]: maybe we should compile in dropbear by default and enable telnet for failsafe only
[14:31] <nbd> [mbm]: dropbear already has a default password 'rootme'
[14:32] <ay_> It's safe when connecting directly trough the switch of the aus.
[14:32] <ay_> s/aus/asus/
[14:33] <[mbm]> nbd: how about we include dropbear but don't set a default password, forcing them to go in via failsafe and set one?
[14:33] Action: [mbm] knows that if there's a default password there will be people that don't change it
[14:34] <nbd> [mbm]: or how about disabling telnet when a password is set?
[14:34] <[mbm]> well, telnet really should be failsafe only
[14:34] <ay_> The unit should ask you for a new password as first login.
[14:34] <nbd> [mbm]: the failsafe stuff is annoying because you have to remount, pivot_root and all the stuff
[14:34] <ay_> [mbm]: Not on the units with built in switches...
[14:35] <nbd> [mbm]: so i think telnet only when no password is set (with a big fat warning on login) would be ok
[14:35] Action: ay_ thinks telenet should be on by default with a default password. And a big fat warning not to do anything untill you changed the password.
[14:36] <ay_> Maybe even force you to change it.
[14:36] <[mbm]> we're not adding a password to telnet
[14:38] <ay_> Why not?
[14:38] <ay_> I would like to not run ssh. Only allow telnet from the switch, not wireless.
[14:39] <CRC_> *nods* that would be a rather good improvement...
[14:39] <CRC_> and I guess it's only a slight firewall tweak
[14:39] <nbd> it would still potentially leave some users using telnet to log in over an unsecure net
[14:40] <nbd> because some people put those devices on a larger net and then log into them from anywhere
[14:40] <[mbm]> it'll either be secured properly or left blatently insecure
[14:40] <ay_> And having a password on telnet. Because when you have a password. People acctally have to break in by sniffing. Loggin into something that logs you straight in is not realy breaking in.
[14:40] <CRC_> but who do you trust? people who are psysically on your network anyway, or someone randomly driving by?
[14:40] <nbd> [mbm]: so would it be ok to leave telnet open in non-failsafe with a big fat warning until a password is set?
[14:40] <ay_> Alot of my neighbours have wireless. Most of them have http-interfaces.. All of them with passwords.
[14:41] <nbd> [mbm]: it's just annoying having use failsafe and do the mount stuff manually just to set the password
[14:41] <[mbm]> ay_: and I'm guessing atleast 60% have the default admin/admin password
[14:42] <CRC_> but at least they have a default password :)
[14:42] <CRC_> not just type in the address.
[14:42] <ay_> [mbm]: They do. But I would never log into them. But if some of them was passwordless I might start looking arond.
[14:42] <[mbm]> nbd: when you use the jffs2 root that isnt an issue
[14:42] <[mbm]> ay_: might aswell be passwordless
[14:42] <nbd> [mbm]: that's right, but some people (including me) use squashfs for a reason
[14:43] <ay_> [mbm]: No. There is a diffrence between logging directly in, and using sniffers to get their passwords to log in.
[14:44] <ay_> But easy doable for people like us. But in the first scenario people with no clue could acctually mess your configuration.. Not even on purpose.
[14:45] <krt> the problem is that you can't trust it
[14:45] <krt> if you have a password set for telnet, and you use it once, you've already lost that trust in your system
[14:45] <krt> so why bother?
[14:45] Action: ay_ trust telnet on lan much more than ssh on wireless.
[14:45] <nbd> [mbm]: just finished a full rebuild with my download script in every makefile. should i commit it now, or do you want to review it?
[14:46] <krt> if someones able to telnet into your system, you've already lost :-)
[14:46] <ay_> Without password, yes.
[14:46] <krt> ay_: you can break both ssh and telnet abilities into your system from wireless
[14:46] <krt> no
[14:46] <krt> with or without
[14:46] <[mbm]> nbd: might aswell commit it; it's not a real feature change
[14:46] <nbd> [mbm]: k
[14:53] <nbd> [mbm]: done. now we just need to put md5 hashes of all the source files into the makefiles
[15:05] <tat> someine knows if there are mibs are available for the wrt45g wireless chips?
[15:12] <wbx> ah, great topic :}
[15:12] <nbd> wbx: hi
[15:13] <nbd> wbx: the downloading stuff that we discussed is ready and in cvs
[15:14] Action: wbx is just reading download.pl
[15:16] <wbx> nbd: can you explain the algorithm?
[15:16] <nbd> wbx: what algorithm?
[15:17] <wbx> nbd: how these stuff is opposed to work?
[15:19] <nbd> wbx: it just takes a target path, a filename, a md5 sum and a list of mirrors on the command line. when you put "@SF/path/file" as a mirror, then the script will fetch the sf mirror list for that file and push the download urls for these mirrors on the list
[15:20] <nbd> wbx: for each mirror it opens wget and pipes its output to both md5sum and a temporary file (so the md5sum gets computed while downloading)
[15:21] <nbd> wbx: when wget is successfull and the md5 sum on the command line is 32 chars long then it compares it with the md5 sum of the downloaded file
[15:21] <nbd> wbx: otherwise the file is just assumed to be ok
[15:21] <Blackvel> cu
[15:22] <wbx> nbd: so we need to put the md5sum to the makefile? as parameter to download.pl?
[15:22] <nbd> wbx: in the makefile
[15:22] <nbd> wbx: for the makefiles i changed it just puts "x" where the md5 sum should go
[15:23] <[mbm]> tat: no snmp = no mibs
[15:45] <[mbm]> hmm
[15:45] <[mbm]> wireless extension requests don't even hit the driver unless wireless extensions are enabled in kernel
[15:51] <wbx> [mbm]: what you mean?
[15:53] <[mbm]> means that I've intercepted the ioctls going to wl.o but without CONFIG_NET_RADIO in the kernel, the wireless tools ioctls aren't even being passed to the driver
[15:53] <[mbm]> so I'm not seeing iwconfig stuff
[15:53] <wbx> ah.
[15:54] <[mbm]> and I need to change a few things in the wl makefile so that it doesn't choke if CONFIG_NET_RADIO is enabled
[15:56] <jnc> [mbm]: ping
[15:56] <[mbm]> .
[15:56] <jnc> i don't give you enough credit
[15:56] <[mbm]> ?
[15:56] <jnc> thank you for your work on openwrt. :)
[15:57] <[mbm]> if you insist, there's an amazon link on openwrt.org/mbm
[15:57] <D|dge> [mbm]: I read you have a 64bit system, too, I have a problem on make menuconfig, it can't build mconf, ncurses is not found
[15:57] <D|dge> but it's installed, including devel stuff
[15:57] <jnc> D|dge: i saw that one covered in a forum post
[15:57] <wbx> D|dge: rm .config* && make
[15:58] <jnc> 'make clean', no?
[15:58] <[mbm]> D|dge: probably doesn't have the headers in the standard location then
[15:58] <jnc> oh
[15:58] <D|dge> the linker is complaining
[15:59] <jnc> OOooh!
[16:00] <jnc> holy !@#$
[16:00] <jnc> my SATA dvd burner is working in ubuntu linux
[16:00] <jnc> this is simptasticalmorphically amazing
[16:00] <[mbm]> jnc: you know they ported nero to linux?
[16:00] <jnc> [mbm]: i'm a 'cdrecord' die-hard
[16:01] <nbd> jnc: even if its author can be annoying sometimes ;)
[16:01] <jnc> i've had trouble when using other distros, trying to make this drive work properly
[16:01] <jnc> yeah
[16:01] <jnc> jorg is it?
[16:01] <Ge0rG> yeah, cdrecord is for suiciders...
[16:01] <nbd> jnc: yeah, jörg schilling
[16:01] <jnc> "Blah blah blah no one will ever use linux blah blah"
[16:01] <jnc> o---kay jorg.
[16:01] <nbd> jnc: or schily
[16:01] Action: jnc blinks
[16:02] <jnc> i'm so excited. i bought this drive - i.e. i was an "early adopter"
[16:02] <jnc> and it sat unable to be seen by my linux box for 4 months
[16:02] <jnc> "Last actual write speed: 43x" i <3 plextor
[16:02] <nbd> ;)
[16:03] <D|dge> nbd: Schilling, Schiliy is the politician
[16:03] <wbx> hmm. undefined reference to `outb' man outb tell me i should use -O2, but I still get linker errors. any hints?
[16:03] <nbd> D|dge: schilling calls himself schily
[16:03] <jnc> that's gotta be pretty near close the physical limitation for plastic rotating in that manner to um, explode
[16:03] <nbd> wbx: what are you trying to compile?
[16:03] <wbx> does the crosscompiler for mips have problems with inline macros?
[16:04] <wbx> nbd: hmm. lcd4linux
[16:04] <CRC_> urgy
[16:04] <CRC_> my donut is solid :|
[16:04] <CRC_> nice glazed jam donut too :|
[16:05] <[mbm]> wbx: try including sys/io.h; the -O2 is just to handle inline function definitions
[16:05] <J4k3> all the USB-equipped WRT54G-alikes needs is a good sound card
[16:05] <J4k3> err sound "chip" I should say
[16:05] <[mbm]> J4k3: if it has usb you can plug in one of those usb sound systems
[16:05] <wbx> [mbm]: sys/io.h seems not to exist on mips. only asm-mips/io.h
[16:05] <jnc> J4k3: someone sound chipped the meshcube
[16:05] <nbd> J4k3: and a nslu2
[16:06] <J4k3> hehe nice
[16:06] <CRC_> is it confirmed that the WRTs do actually have a USB controller etc?
[16:07] <J4k3> hmm, can the USB-equipped WRT54Galikes handle a USB hub?
[16:07] <J4k3> crc: the asus does for sure.
[16:07] <CRC_> cos that could probably be tapped to a USB hub..
[16:07] <[mbm]> wbx: yeah, asm/io.h should provide you with teh definition
[16:07] <J4k3> its been abused already
[16:07] <J4k3> hell people have mounted their ipuds on them
[16:07] <CRC_> then it's just a matter of drivers...
[16:07] <D|dge> OK, problem resolved, ncurses was borked
[16:07] <J4k3> they're USB2 apparently
[16:07] <Ge0rG> CRC_: the controller is there, you just can't connect anything to it
[16:07] <J4k3> so its not like bus b/w will be a problem
[16:07] <CRC_> J4k3: !!
[16:08] <J4k3> lemmie find the article
[16:08] <jnc> awwe :o/
[16:08] <CRC_> Ge0rG: as in there's no adapter? or as in you have to solder to the board...
[16:08] <jnc> i burned one cd OKay. the second one caused a fatal bus error
[16:08] <jnc> bumer
[16:08] <jnc> s/m/mm/
[16:08] <J4k3> http://rotz.org/archives/2005/03/wl500g_usb_stic.html
[16:08] <CRC_> jnc: good ol linux :)
[16:08] <J4k3> check that out
[16:08] <jnc> CRC_: :)
[16:09] <jnc> well that's what i get for doing away with IDE and SCSI and opting for SATA
[16:09] <CRC_> jnc: linux is extra reliable you know :P
[16:09] <Ge0rG> CRC_: you have to solder to the cpu pins
[16:09] <jnc> i have SATA hard drive and optical drive
[16:09] <CRC_> Ge0rG: that's easily done :)
[16:09] <Ge0rG> to undocumented cpu pins
[16:09] <jnc> CRC_: oh, it is very reliable with the old
[16:09] <CRC_> ah.
[16:09] <jnc> you know that
[16:09] <CRC_> jnc: yeah - just sucks ass with the new :p
[16:10] <jnc> sometimes, yes
[16:10] <Ge0rG> though there is a four port connector on the wrt54g v1.0 which might look like usb ( <- my personal wrt conspiracy theory)
[16:10] <jnc> i have not seen such wonderful amd64 support from Microsoft you know
[16:10] <J4k3> I inserted an USB stick in the back of the WL500G and Bingo! the stick was recognized automatically by the system. The (partly) output of dmesg was :
[16:10] <CRC_> I can't boot linux on my PC properly...
[16:10] <jnc> it works with beauty in Ubuntu Linux / Hoary Preview
[16:10] <CRC_> and on my laptop, it'll boot, but zero connectivity...
[16:10] <J4k3> Coooool ! I just mounted my first USB stick using OpenWRT on a WL500G! Fantastic !!!
[16:10] <J4k3> I did some extensive copy and moving tests from and to the USB stick from the WL500G and reading the information on XP en OSX and sure thing this really works.
[16:10] <J4k3> To complete trying out USB devices I mounted my Apple iPod mini :) The dmesg after connecting the iPod mini is kinda weird.
[16:10] <J4k3> that tells me anything *should* work :)
[16:10] <nbd> jnc: you don't even get good x86 support from MS ;)
[16:11] <CRC_> J4k3: noice! :D
[16:11] <Eagle_Fire> you all are such jerks to microsoft
[16:11] <jnc> ?
[16:11] <jnc> nbd is correct
[16:11] <jnc> there is still the f00f bug in windows
[16:11] <jnc> i don't believe a proper fix was ever made
[16:12] <jnc> they say "oh, that, it doesn't happen too often. just accept the fact that your computer failed and turn it off and turn it back on again. pray that it never happens again."
[16:12] <jnc> (paraphrasing)
[16:12] <CRC_> then again, even in WinXP SP2, I still have to install firewire drivers, network drivers, sound drivers :\
[16:12] <jnc> you do?
[16:12] <CRC_> *nods* :|
[16:12] <jnc> madness!
[16:12] <jnc> when will they learn?
[16:12] <CRC_> and chipset drivers :|
[16:13] <CRC_> otherwise APM etc doesn't work properly
[16:13] <nbd> it's the PSD - proprietary software disease
[16:13] <CRC_> it's onboard Intel GigE
[16:13] <CRC_> sound is some realtek 5.1 surround chip thingy
[16:14] <CRC_> and it's an intel 865 chipset
[16:14] <CRC_> linux finds all that, but craps out when it hits ide3 and ide4
[16:14] <CRC_> doesn't get to sata0 and sata1 :)
[16:14] <jnc> ah
[16:14] <jnc> i know what you mean
[16:15] <Eagle_Fire> linux is so stupid, can't even get ide3 and ide4 right
[16:15] <CRC_> hence I run winxp, and linux via vmware
[16:15] <jnc> you can tell it to go fuck itself, with ide3=noprobe ide4=noprobe
[16:15] <CRC_> jnc: doesn't that disable them though?
[16:15] <jnc> it does. sorry
[16:15] <nbd> CRC_: or you could try a newer kernel
[16:15] <CRC_> yah... not what I want...
[16:16] <jnc> i had that similar trouble on a debian box with kernel 2.6.10
[16:16] <D|dge> the PPP daemon can't be disabled?
[16:16] <jnc> kernel 2.6.11 is much improved with libata
[16:16] <CRC_> hmmm
[16:16] <jnc> if you are doing an optical SATA drive, then it may be a need to turn on support with a #define
[16:16] <CRC_> it's just the matter of getting it to install properly then... I guess I could just use the same line on the boot off CD... but I seriously CBF :P
[16:16] <CRC_> hence vmware linux for me
[16:18] <jnc> ah
[16:19] <CRC_> man, that's a cool idea having a USB port built into the Asus
[16:19] <J4k3> very
[16:19] <J4k3> I wanna get one and begin hax0ring
[16:19] <jnc> if you are looking for a distro, i vouch for the simplicity and "oh my zarquonknees it just works" factor of Ubuntu
[16:19] <J4k3> with that CPU, I really think you could use it as a hotspot style setup with backhaul
[16:19] <CRC_> heh :P
[16:19] <jnc> i am using the Ubuntu for my nice work machine
[16:19] <jnc> and gentoo on my devel boxes, debian for server
[16:20] <CRC_> J4k3: what CPU is it?
[16:20] <nbd> i really like ubuntu, but for my systems i use debian
[16:20] <nbd> jnc: don't like gentoo, though
[16:20] <jnc> gentoo is... i'm a developer, and it is very handy for sound recording
[16:21] <jnc> the nice thing there is i already have my feet in the door when i want to make a change
[16:21] <[mbm]> Eagle_Fire: we're all such jerks in general
[16:21] <CRC_> don't get me started on the crap X sound support in linux :P
[16:21] <Eagle_Fire> yeah, damn prejudicing human nature
[16:22] <[mbm]> well, it's always amusing how people complain about things they couldn't have done themselves
[16:23] <nbd> some people just need to get the idea that doing stuff is always more convincing than complaining
[16:24] <D|dge> [mbm]: the PPP daemon can't be disabled? is that a bug?
[16:24] <wbx> D|dge: it can. just remove the plugins first.
[16:24] <[mbm]> ? oh you mean the menuconfig stuff
[16:24] <D|dge> wbx: didn't help
[16:24] <D|dge> [mbm]: yes
[16:25] <nbd> D|dge: disable pptp and it will work
[16:25] <[mbm]> wbx is right, there's stuff that depends on it which needs to be disabled first
[16:25] <dumpedcore> re
[16:25] <nbd> the plugins are no problem because they only have a depend on it
[16:25] <nbd> but pptp forces ppp
[16:25] <D|dge> ah, OK
[16:25] <dumpedcore> nbd: good (ugt) morning
[16:26] <D|dge> there are so much switches ...
[16:26] <nbd> dumpedcore: good evening (or whatever ~1:30 am is)
[16:27] <CRC_> nbd: you in the UK?
[16:27] <nbd> CRC_: germany
[16:27] <CRC_> ahhhh
[16:27] <CRC_> +1 GMT?
[16:28] <nbd> CRC_: correct
[16:28] <CRC_> k...
[16:28] <CRC_> it's 11:29am here
[16:28] <CRC_> on sunday
[16:28] <D|dge> ah, Australia
[16:28] <D|dge> CRC_: where are you from, which town?
[16:29] <dumpedcore> yep 11:30 here
[16:29] <dumpedcore> Melb, Au +10
[16:29] <D|dge> ah
[16:29] <D|dge> cool, that reminded me of, TribleJ, just turning it on :-)
[16:29] <dumpedcore> but it was irrelevant, as I was saying good (ugt) morning :)
[16:30] <dumpedcore> (universal greeting time)
[16:30] <D|dge> :-)
[16:30] <Eagle_Fire> 4:30pm
[16:30] <Eagle_Fire> it's almost evening here
[16:30] <Eagle_Fire> but not quite
[16:30] <dumpedcore> http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
[16:30] <davygrvy> http://icculus.org/pyddr/forkbomb-bg.jpg
[16:31] <nbd> lol
[16:32] <nbd> tried it on my mac, didn't do anything spectacular
[16:33] <Eagle_Fire> why doesn't xchat have a hotkey for switching between channel windows?
[16:34] Action: jnc readies the foam bat
[16:34] <jnc> "it says here, embossed, 'This bat used exclusively for Eagle_Fire'; hmm. i wonder...?"
[16:34] <davygrvy> Eagle_Fire: not Ctrl+Tab ?
[16:34] <Eagle_Fire> doesn't work
[16:35] <krt> eagle: it has sevral
[16:35] <Eagle_Fire> ooh, do tell
[16:35] <davygrvy> Ctrl+F6 ?
[16:35] <krt> I can't remember them :)
[16:35] <dumpedcore> nbd: any idea where I can get a comprehensive list of busybox timezones?
[16:35] <krt> I use irssi now
[16:35] <Eagle_Fire> it's not Alt+F4, i can tell you that
[16:35] <dumpedcore> actually make that a general question to the whole channel
[16:35] <Eagle_Fire> lousy jerks in the other channel
[16:36] <Eagle_Fire> is it not in the Busybox Timezone FAQ?
[16:37] <krt> try altw4
[16:37] <krt> ehrm
[16:37] <jnc> dumpedcore: wish i knew ;)
[16:37] <krt> alt+4
[16:37] <Eagle_Fire> no dice
[16:37] <dumpedcore> eagle: nothing comprehensive
[16:37] <krt> not f4
[16:38] <D|dge> dumpedcore: do you work on a new interface or the one in the packages?
[16:39] <dumpedcore> hehe - definetely not the one in the packages.
[16:39] <dumpedcore> d|idge: screenshots -
[16:39] <dumpedcore> http://dilaudid.net/interface.png
[16:39] <dumpedcore> http://dilaudid.net/interface-2.png
[16:39] <dumpedcore> http://dilaudid.net/interface-3.png
[16:40] <dumpedcore> (incomplete screenshots, though.)
[16:40] <D|dge> checking
[16:40] <jnc> dialup !?
[16:40] <Eagle_Fire> dumpedcore, maybe the TZ list is in the busybox source
[16:41] <nbd> can't find it there
[16:41] <Eagle_Fire> wow, slow loading screenshots
[16:41] <dumpedcore> nah it's really obscure
[16:41] <nbd> not in the uclibc source either
[16:41] <Eagle_Fire> weird
[16:41] <dumpedcore> eagle: you're tellin me :)
[16:41] <Eagle_Fire> maybe there aren't any time zones
[16:41] <Eagle_Fire> and it's all just an elaborate illusion
[16:42] <nbd> time is an illusion after all ;)
[16:42] <dumpedcore> I applied to get my ISDN line upgraded;
[16:42] <Ge0rG> the matrix has you
[16:42] <dumpedcore> and it's disconnected while they upgrade;
[16:42] <dumpedcore> there's been problems at the exchange
[16:42] <Eagle_Fire> Ge0rG: the cliche has you
[16:42] <dumpedcore> so they told me it will be 10 days, of which 5 has passed.
[16:42] <nbd> Ge0rG: everything is an illusion... the only reality is that which exists through shared beliefs
[16:42] <dumpedcore> until then the only link I've got for services is a 56k modem backup
[16:43] <Eagle_Fire> wow, pretty
[16:43] <liraz> Does anyone know if it's possible to chmod files on an nfs share(running on windows). I get 'Operation not permitted
[16:43] <dumpedcore> I've got a 512k point-to-point link to a cache peer, and a 3MBit/sec link to another peer.
[16:43] <dumpedcore> So HTTP traffic is unaffected.
[16:43] <dumpedcore> But all services -- and thus, you, Eagle-fire :) -- are affected.
[16:43] <nbd> liraz: permission stuff under windows is completely different, so probably no
[16:43] <liraz> dam!
[16:43] <Eagle_Fire> usually your NFS server will handle caching of premissions
[16:44] <Eagle_Fire> i've been able to chmod with the nfs server i use
[16:44] <Eagle_Fire> it keeps tabs on the permissions without changing the windows perms
[16:44] <dumpedcore> yep
[16:44] <Eagle_Fire> like cygwin edoes
[16:44] <dumpedcore> like samba
[16:44] <Eagle_Fire> * eDoes
[16:44] <dumpedcore> samba puts a .finf file
[16:44] <dumpedcore> in the directories
[16:44] <dumpedcore> and stores the data in there
[16:44] <nbd> dumpedcore: since what version?
[16:44] <dumpedcore> IIRC
[16:45] <Eagle_Fire> is there a cygwin nfs server?
[16:45] <liraz> well my server doesn't grant me permission(probably doesen't support it). I have set write access
[16:45] <Eagle_Fire> my nfs server is a commercial one in trial mode
[16:45] <nbd> dumpedcore: i use xfs and it maps nt acls to unix acls when i access my stuff from a windows computer
[16:45] <liraz> Eagle_Fire:me too ;)
[16:45] <liraz> in a long trial i think
[16:45] <Eagle_Fire> make sure the windows permissions allow proper access
[16:46] <D|dge> dumpedcore: nice frontend!
[16:49] <dumpedcore> thanks Didge
[16:50] <D|dge> I'm looking forward to use it :-)
[16:50] <dumpedcore> nbd: I don't run Samba - but I've installed an SMB server on contract job and I found it does that. Adds .finf to directories when permissions are modified within Windows.
[16:50] <D|dge> the old one wasn't very nice and good working
[16:51] <nbd> dumpedcore: maybe it only does so, when the filesystem does not support acls
[16:51] <dumpedcore> nbd: the .finf directory stores the filenames of the directory below it, and within each file are the special 'windows' permissions stuff.
[16:51] <dumpedcore> ie - say i've got a directory called dog/ with cat.txt and mole.txt in it,
[16:51] <dumpedcore> and I change the windows permissions to allow a certain user to touch those files... or whatever,
[16:52] <dumpedcore> I end up with dog/.finf/cat.txt and dog/.finf/mole.txt
[16:52] <dumpedcore> IIRC
[16:52] <dumpedcore> and those control files have the special windows permission data within them
[16:52] <dumpedcore> didge:thanks didge
[16:52] <dumpedcore> and yeah, i agree.. the old one was crap.
[16:53] <dumpedcore> no offence to the author
[16:53] <dumpedcore> at least ours has a firmware upgrade feature [unlike interface-wrt]
[16:53] <dumpedcore> thanks to nbd
[16:53] <D|dge> cool, sounds even better
[16:54] <D|dge> dumpedcore: how popular is Linux in AU? I heard not very
[16:54] <dumpedcore> very popular
[16:54] <D|dge> dumpedcore: is it hard to get a Linux-Job?
[16:55] <dumpedcore> about 8 years ago, I got fed up with the existing user group; they were a bunch of elitists. every time a newbie came in and asked a question, they'd get hassled and made to feel stupid.
[16:55] <D|dge> perhaps the person I talked to wasn't deep enough in Linux
[16:55] <dumpedcore> so I created my own new breakaway group
[16:55] <dumpedcore> it eventually amassed 500 members
[16:55] <D|dge> wow
[16:55] <dumpedcore> and I lost interest in it, and gave it to a friend
[16:55] <J4k3> unluckily
[16:55] <dumpedcore> who lost interest and gave it to someone else
[16:55] <dumpedcore> it's still going, though...
[16:55] <J4k3> most of the unix scene is made up of geeks that want to look cool :|
[16:56] <dumpedcore> but unfortunately, the guy who my friend gave it to is a bit of an asshole
[16:56] <J4k3> linux/cheapBSD's/etc
[16:56] <J4k3> then theres the OSX faction of totally clueless losers
[16:56] <dumpedcore> I tried to join the list - just out of curiosity - to see how much the group had changed in the years after I'd left it as head honcho.
[16:56] <[mbm]> J4k3: yeah, I'm just a poser who can't write any code and has a desktop pimped out to look like windows :)
[16:56] <J4k3> Typical OSX user: "I Run Unix!!!"
[16:56] <dumpedcore> And he told me, "this ain't your group anymore" .. like duh?!!
[16:57] <dumpedcore> I just wanted to have a squizz, and he acted all paranoid like I was going to try and steal it back off him.
[16:57] <dumpedcore> Wanker.
[16:57] <nbd> J4k3: wrong. Typical OSX user: "I have a Mac"
[16:57] <D|dge> wow, that's not very "community-like"
[16:57] <J4k3> nbd: nah, unluckily they've turned into the group giving unix-like OSes a bad name
[16:57] <J4k3> I really think OSX was a Microsoft ploy to give unix a bad name
[16:57] <J4k3> in any shape or form
[16:57] <nbd> J4k3: I like OSX
[16:58] <J4k3> some do... personally I find it a joke
[16:58] <nbd> J4k3: it's the first os where i actually use the GUI _and_ the file manager
[16:58] <nbd> J4k3: never used a file manager on linux
[16:58] <[mbm]> I liked the platinum theme better than the X theme
[16:59] <J4k3> ah, see I started using (IBM) Dos (2.1) at age 5.. when I got a 386 and Win3.0 in 1991 I felt like windows was a complete toy
[16:59] <J4k3> and I maintained that view until NT4 grew up (SP4 or so)
[17:00] <wbx> juhu!!! my jtag interface works!
[17:00] <nbd> wbx: cool
[17:00] <[mbm]> heh, I used tp play with windows 1.0 and 2.0 as a kid .. I was in awe of the GUI concept
[17:00] <wbx> some of the existing documentation is shit. or my solderings skills are to bad ;)
[17:01] <wbx> now i need cfe.bin for a gs machin ;)
[17:01] <nbd> my first windows was 3.1... got that with my first computer
[17:01] Action: [mbm] doesn't like the current generation of GUI's .. XP's default theme looks like crap
[17:03] <nbd> [mbm]: XPs UI is crap
[17:03] <nbd> [mbm]: 2k was much more usable
[17:03] <[mbm]> classic theme (aka theme from 95-2k) is actually pretty clean and professional looking
[17:03] <D|dge> XP is a kindergarden OS
[17:03] <[mbm]> the xp theme looks like it was designed by fisher price
[17:04] <[mbm]> colorful and plastic
[17:04] <CRC_> come on, the best system was the Sinclair ZX Spectrum :)
[17:04] <J4k3> Lisa!
[17:04] <[mbm]> what annoys me is that the OSX themes have also gone for that stupid plastic look
[17:04] <nbd> [mbm]: and they did a great job on hiding all the stuff so you had to 'experience' everything before being able to do anything useful
[17:04] <CRC_> it's all in the name of 'user friendly'
[17:04] <[mbm]> even worse, the macs themselves are now designed with that stupid plastic look
[17:04] <CRC_> boring gray was ok years and years ago
[17:05] <CRC_> but what else are you going to do with a 65k+ colour palette? :)
[17:05] Action: [mbm] hates melted clear plastic on everything mac
[17:05] <nbd> [mbm]: that's why i've got a powerbook...
[17:06] <CRC_> OSX looks pretty imho
[17:06] <CRC_> and from what basics I'm used on it, fairly user friendly
[17:06] <nbd> i use it as primary os on my laptop
[17:06] <CRC_> I'm looking at getting a mac mini to play with
[17:06] <CRC_> throw a DVD writer and a Gb of RAM in there
[17:07] <CRC_> and it's nice and portable powerhouse
[17:07] <J4k3> the mac mini kinda sucks
[17:07] <CRC_> well, compared to other things of it's size...
[17:07] <J4k3> the stupid thing has SPDIF in, but no SPDIF out
[17:07] <J4k3> "home theater PC" my ass.
[17:07] <CRC_> heh
[17:07] <CRC_> and I really wanna try OSX with a touchscreen
[17:09] <[mbm]> heh
[17:09] <J4k3> I slap people for touching my screen
[17:09] <[mbm]> xp machines as touchpads were all the rage not too long ago
[17:09] <J4k3> then break out the 91% alcohol and clean it back off.
[17:09] <CRC_> yeah - but I don't have mouse in the car... only touch screen
[17:10] <J4k3> CRC_: what the fuck are you using a computer in the car for?
[17:10] <J4k3> the driver of a vehicle should NOT be using a computer.
[17:10] <J4k3> in any way shape or form
[17:10] <CRC_> J4k3: nav, mp3s, HDTV etc
[17:10] <J4k3> exactly... shit you should not be doing
[17:10] <nbd> J4k3: mp3s should be ok
[17:10] <J4k3> (shit that will get you many years in prison if you happen to smash into somebody while playing with)
[17:10] <J4k3> mp3s yes, but I'd suggest a remote control
[17:10] <CRC_> well, I could use a handheld GPS....
[17:10] <J4k3> reaching up to a screen and fiddling wth things = too muchj distraction
[17:10] <[mbm]> tried one of those tablet pcs and thought "ok, what gives?" .. it was just using the pen as a mouse, nothing new about it and not all that fun to use
[17:11] <J4k3> you need as much tactile feedback as possible, and no need to reach to do anything
[17:11] <CRC_> [mbm]: agreed.
[17:11] <nbd> [mbm]: and the battery life mostly just sucks
[17:12] <[mbm]> speaking of crappy battery life, I still need to order a new battery for my thinkpad
[17:12] <nbd> J4k3: you can generate your own tactile feedback, you don't need a different device for that ;)
[17:12] <[mbm]> I get a max of maybe 20 minutes without power
[17:12] <nbd> [mbm]: that sucks
[17:12] <J4k3> I get in a car with a "normal" head unit and I find myself annoyed by having to reach up and make adjustments
[17:12] <J4k3> nbd: yeah but, reaching for the dash is just stupid
[17:13] <J4k3> you have to take entirely too much eye-time to do it
[17:13] <nbd> J4k3: that's why i use the command line most of the time
[17:13] <CRC_> I have the touch screen where the head unit used to be
[17:14] <CRC_> ie inbuilt
[17:14] <nbd> J4k3: most GUI elements just use too much eye-time
[17:14] <CRC_> 2 words: big buttons
[17:15] <nbd> 2 words: no solution
[17:15] <J4k3> nbd: yeah...
[17:15] <CRC_> nbd: http://users.skynet.be/media-car/software.html
[17:16] <[mbm]> wtf .. on the ibm page giving the technical specs of the battery: "remote control: no"
[17:17] <[mbm]> dammit! I want a remote control for my battery ...!?!
[17:18] <nbd> [mbm]: maybe they'll implement some bluetooth remote control to check the battery status without touching the laptop ;)
[17:19] <J4k3> jmy friend's old Athlon4 (yes, Athlon4) HP notebook had this cool little display to show time/date/battery % and aproximate time til shutdown
[17:19] <dumpedcore> brb
[17:19] <J4k3> hmm volume control display
[17:19] <J4k3> and it'd play CDs using that display without firing up the rest of the laptop which was the coolest damned thing ever.
[17:19] <J4k3> too bad its sound was typical of all laptops :)
[17:20] <CRC_> my laptop is a Dell Insperon 8600
[17:20] <CRC_> that thing rocks
[17:20] <CRC_> except there's zippo linux support ;p
[17:20] <J4k3> I like my Presario R3120US
[17:20] <J4k3> linux/freebsd loves this laptop except for the wireless card
[17:20] <J4k3> which is "locked in" by BIOS
[17:20] <J4k3> I need to spend some time hacking at it.
[17:21] <CRC_> the drivers just don't exist on linux for mine :|
[17:21] <nbd> CRC_: i don't know the 8600, but i know some other inspirons somewhere around 8000 that run linux just fine
[17:21] <J4k3> ah, this thing is a pretty generic nforce3 socket 754 machine
[17:21] <CRC_> so I can run linux... but no eth, not wlan, no bt etc :|
[17:21] <[mbm]> J4k3: the thinkpads had a bios lock on what wireless cards you could use, was rather trivial to hack too
[17:21] <J4k3> with a gf4mx-level video (not shared memory)
[17:22] <J4k3> mbm: I'm sure this is the same, but I suck at hacking software so I'm waiting for someone else with more skills to do it for me :)
[17:22] <[mbm]> ewww.. getting popup ads through firefox's popup blocker
[17:22] <CRC_> pop unders?
[17:22] <J4k3> put it this way: I hacked my ATI 9500 so I wouldn't have to bother hacking the 9700-on-a-9500 drivers.
[17:22] <J4k3> I tore it down and moved the itty-bitty resistor on the top of the GPU :P
[17:22] <J4k3> mbm: upgrade to a modern firmware
[17:23] <D|dge> I have some problems with downloading the files (ncurses, libelf ...) for the build of experimental
[17:23] <[mbm]> J4k3: probably won't help, but anyways -> http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0406.1/1048.html
[17:23] <D|dge> the servers aren't available or have errors
[17:24] <J4k3> same error message, so I bet its the same hack ;)
[17:24] <wbx> D|dge: we are working on a mirror solution.
[17:24] <wbx> D|dge: just change the package/ncurses/Makefile
[17:24] <CRC_> wbx: what do you want mirrored?
[17:24] <wbx> ftp://gatekeeper.dec.com/pub/GNU/ncurses work
[17:24] <D|dge> wbx: did that
[17:25] <[mbm]> J4k3: it's a phoenix bios with a few logos changed to make it look ibm-ish
[17:25] <wbx> CRC_: hmm, may be the kernel-binary-packages and squashfslzma. gnu and sf mirrors exist a lot
[17:26] <J4k3> ahh, yeah this is a phoenix-based box made by compal (do note I didn't say compaq, dispite the fact it has a compaq badging)
[17:26] <J4k3> Compal = some big laptop OEM apparently
[17:26] <CRC_> wbx: URLs?
[17:27] <wbx> CRC_: not yet. i need to update the et package first.
[17:27] <D|dge> OK, now I have a jffs2 and a squashfs bin, which do I have to flash?
[17:27] <nbd> D|dge: pick one...
[17:27] <CRC_> I'll wget and mirror it each night
[17:28] <nbd> D|dge: with jffs2 you've got a writable root fs, squashfs is the usual ro+rw stuff
[17:28] <wbx> CRC_: that would be nice. but do not forget, I do not know if the files can be legally distributed.
[17:28] <[mbm]> D|dge: squashfs means that all files included in the firmware are on a readonly squashfs filesystem and the remainder of the space is writable jffs2; jffs2 means that it makes one big jffs2 partition for everything
[17:28] <CRC_> wbx: :\
[17:28] <CRC_> wbx: find out, then let me know
[17:28] <wbx> CRC_: wl.o and et.o , source of et exist but is not free.
[17:30] <D|dge> and of stability? which is better? squashfs has more space I guess
[17:31] <nbd> D|dge: both are stable... if you need more space, choose squashfs, otherwise jffs2
[17:32] <[mbm]> hmmn not sure I'd agree
[17:32] <[mbm]> squahsfs gets slightly better compression, but you're stuck with whatever's in squashfs until you reflash
[17:33] <[mbm]> meaning that to change a file, you first delete the symlink to the squashfs version and then create a new copy
[17:33] <D|dge> OK, so I will use jffs2
[17:33] <[mbm]> any space savings is suddenly lost
[17:36] <nbd> hmm... most of the stuff in the default squashfs image isn't packaged anyway, so it doesn't get replaced on jffs2
[17:36] <[mbm]> the issue comes when you want to replace something that's already included on squashfs
[17:37] <nbd> which isn't much on the default image ...
[17:37] <[mbm]> true, but there are things like ipkg.conf and dnsmasq.conf which will be replaced, meaning that you'll still have the squashfs copy laying around
[17:38] <nbd> i think the space they use on squashfs gets saved by having busybox on squashfs alone
[17:40] <bob_> I am tring to mount a flash image as a loop filesystem
[17:40] <[mbm]> nbd: I'm not saying that if you just change one of those files that you'll magically loose space, I'm saying that it adds up as you change files
[17:40] <bob_> but I get 'not an ext2 file system"
[17:41] <[mbm]> bob_: obviously it's not an ext2 image
[17:41] <bob_> when O book it on the device, I see that it has 5 MTD partitions of physically mapped flash
[17:41] <nbd> [mbm]: true. i think i'll stop this discussion because it has no point
[17:41] <wbx> bob_: what kind of image?
[17:41] <[mbm]> :P
[17:41] <bob_> it is one of the netgera provided wgt634u images
[17:42] <bob_> basically I want to edit the flash
[17:42] <wbx> bob_: they probably use cramfs.
[17:42] <wbx> bob_: your kernel needs cramfs support to mount it via loopback.
[17:42] <bob_> ok
[17:42] <wbx> bob_: you already splitted rootfs from the firmware image?
[17:43] <bob_> no i didn't. how do I do that?
[17:43] <[mbm]> more importantly, there's more things in the image than the filesystem, you'll need to remove the filesystem from the image before you mount
[17:43] <wbx> bob_: hmm. you are lost. ;)
[17:43] <bob_> indeed
[17:43] <[mbm]> bob_: new question - why are you doing this?
[17:44] <bob_> to understand how it all works
[17:44] Action: coder goes to bed
[17:44] <bob_> then, drop my own stuff in
[17:44] <[mbm]> *sigh* gonna be a long night
[17:44] <coder> not for me
[17:44] <coder> see you
[17:44] <bob_> well, if you can just point me towards a document that shows how stuff in the image is organized
[17:45] <wbx> [mbm]: are you tired? :}
[17:45] <bob_> this is built on Bering, which I have developed on before
[17:45] <[mbm]> wbx: I'm saying he's asking questions that can't be answered in one line
[17:45] <wbx> bob_: grep for CRAMFS magic in linux source.
[17:46] <wbx> [mbm]: ah. okay. i thought i would wait. if you are tired I will ask if we can have a mailinglist :}
[17:46] <wbx> [mbm]: to be sure your resistance is small *g*
[17:46] <[mbm]> bob_: the quick answer is to guess which filesystem type it uses, ie cramfs then find/create one of those files, hexedit and look at the bytes at the start of the file, then try to find that in the firmware image
[17:46] <bob_> ouch, fairly painful i was hoping there were some nice utilities ;)
[17:47] <CRC_> the Seattle Wireless wiki has a nice details set of instructions
[17:47] <wbx> bob_: hexdump and grep is useful. and do not forget, they are little endian
[17:47] <bob_> yea ok
[17:48] <bob_> first step is to get cramfs support in my kernel. odd that debian sarge doesn't have that module, they seem to have everything else under the sun
[17:48] <bob_> but I don't need help to figure that out, I am pretty sure I can take that baby step myself
[17:48] <[mbm]> wbx: we already have a mailing list
[17:49] <wbx> [mbm]: we have a openwrt mailinglist? wtf.
[17:49] <bob_> oh. cramfs already in the kernel. how nice. not a module.
[17:49] <[mbm]> wbx: click any topic the the forum, click "watch this topic" and you get an email ever time a post is made :P
[17:49] <wbx> :p
[17:49] <Eagle_Fire> :?
[17:50] <wbx> i need a real mailinglist, where i can post with mutt :p
[17:50] <Eagle_Fire> why'n't'chu start one then
[17:50] <[mbm]> you hate forums, I hate mailing lists ...
[17:51] <[mbm]> the real issue is that we're spreading the communication too thin
[17:51] <wbx> maybe you could make an A record lists.openwrt.org -> 217.160.135.112 and i setup one
[17:51] <[mbm]> there's already stuff that's only found in one medium
[17:51] <CRC_> like release of exp builds :P
[17:52] <[mbm]> CRC_: that was covered in the forum and irc, just not on the wiki
[17:52] <Eagle_Fire> ooh how about a daily mailing list that sends all of yesterday's chat logs, wiki diffs, and forum posts!?!?!
[17:52] <Eagle_Fire> plus it also includes every new story from Google News
[17:53] <[mbm]> how about we delete the website and just move into irc, ever time someone joins we spam them with the userguide?
[17:53] <Eagle_Fire> ooh i like that
[17:53] <bob_> hehe
[17:53] <wbx> we are moving to nonsense discussions.
[17:53] <bob_> that's my forte
[17:53] <[mbm]> wbx: you completely missed the point
[17:53] <Eagle_Fire> nah, we're just pointing out how nonsense it was already
[17:53] <wbx> are there any usable forum->ml gateways? :)
[17:53] <bob_> where'd dumpedcore?
[17:53] <Eagle_Fire> !seen dumpedcore
[17:53] <WifiJane> dumpedcore was last seen in #wrt54g 34 minutes and 37 seconds ago saying: brb
[17:54] <Eagle_Fire> he'll be right back
[17:54] <wbx> [mbm]: some people can not work with a webbrowser formular field to write. i need an ancient editor. like vim to create useful informations
[17:54] <Eagle_Fire> use copy and paste + vim
[17:55] <Eagle_Fire> edit in vim, and then paste to browser, et voila
[17:55] <wbx> copy and paste in unix suckz.
[17:55] <[mbm]> so? post to the forum from lynx, when you're in a textbox, hit ^e and it fires up vim
[17:55] <Eagle_Fire> use windows?
[17:55] Action: [mbm] 's posted from lynx/vim several times
[17:55] <wbx> Eagle_Fire: what is windows? i use windows, when I need fresh air. sure.
[17:55] <Eagle_Fire> mbm isleet
[17:56] <Eagle_Fire> wbx: >:(
[17:56] <[mbm]> wbx: what I'm saying is that we need to centralize information, not split it up into more channels
[17:56] <[mbm]> good example is the developer communication
[17:56] <Eagle_Fire> need some sort of info-aggro-bot
[17:56] <wbx> [mbm]: but at the moment communication between developers is not working very well.
[17:57] <[mbm]> can't tell you how often I've discussed things with the developers only to have someone else bring up the exact same conversation
[17:57] <wbx> [mbm]: no real discussions in our forum. what is the reason? wrong medium? bad questions?
[17:57] Action: [mbm] guesses lazy developersw
[17:57] <wbx> [mbm]: for that reason an archive is nice.
[17:58] <CRC_> [mbm]: that, and forums suck ;P
[17:58] <[mbm]> CRC_: so, let's just delete the forums and all the content currently in them.
[17:58] <CRC_> deleting isn't the answer...
[17:58] <[mbm]> we'll move completely to irc like discussed earlier
[17:58] <nbd> [mbm]: http://nbd.vd-s.ath.cx/dnsmasq_config.diff -- that's how i wanted to implement configuration stuff so the web interface can use it
[17:58] <Eagle_Fire> well wiki is supposed to be the final resting place of any permanent info in the forums
[17:59] <CRC_> Eagle_Fire: yah - that'd be good
[17:59] <[mbm]> Eagle_Fire: supposed to, yes; is? no
[17:59] <CRC_> [mbm]: anyone can edit the wiki, yah?
[17:59] <[mbm]> about the only time the wiki gets changed is when someone does something to the wiki that was supposed to be done in the forum
[18:00] <[mbm]> having a compile problem? edit the wiki to point out that you're having a problem and that it must be an issue with the sources
[18:00] <[mbm]> ...
[18:00] <Eagle_Fire> but no one reads the forum because it's not aggregated enough
[18:00] <[mbm]> it's that sort of false information that makes the wiki useless
[18:00] <Eagle_Fire> people just need to notice when their knowledge isn't complete
[18:00] <CRC_> maybe I should go on a binge editing the wiki
[18:00] <Eagle_Fire> like someone put up there that all Moto WR850GV2 have 32mb ram... i have a counterexemplificous piece of hardware
[18:01] <Eagle_Fire> but when i edited the wiki, i said at least one did not have 32mb ram
[18:02] Action: gr8w11ne thinks we should have an IRC logs librarian that extracts all the informative and valuable info coming through the IRC channel
[18:02] <nbd> [mbm]: do you have any objections to patches like that going into cvs?
[18:02] <[mbm]> my biggest gripe with the forums is that people start new topics for the sake of "clarity", often starting a new thread so their post will appear at the top of it instead of reading the thread that already answered the question and posting any further questions there
[18:03] <[mbm]> ndb: bah, atleast give me some time to read the patch and think it over
[18:03] <wbx> [mbm]: what about any kind of ticket/feature/bug system?
[18:04] <wbx> [mbm]: what about any kind of ticket/feature/bug/patch system?
[18:04] <nbd> [mbm]: sorry
[18:04] <[mbm]> wbx: what about any kind of ticket/feature/bug/patch system?
[18:04] <Eagle_Fire> bugzila for openwrt?
[18:04] <wbx> [mbm]: do you think it is useful or not? to have such a system.
[18:05] <Eagle_Fire> you'd have the same issues
[18:05] <wbx> Eagle_Fire: bugzilla is bloated and suckz :p
[18:05] <Eagle_Fire> morons submitting the same bug multiple times
[18:05] <[mbm]> wbx: again I think you're splitting hairs with the communication
[18:05] <Eagle_Fire> without checking for it being there already
[18:05] <wbx> Eagle_Fire: then you remove it.
[18:05] <Eagle_Fire> then you have the issue of something being removed for being the same when it may have important information
[18:05] <wbx> [mbm]: a bugtracking system gives the ability to mark stuff as fixed or not.
[18:06] <[mbm]> wbx: that means that someone is going to have a full time job of being a bugzilla moderator and making sure that bug reports in the forums get moved to bugzilla
[18:06] <Eagle_Fire> maybe OpenWRT is just moving toward the end of its life cycle
[18:06] <wbx> no, people should use the bugtracking system.
[18:06] <Eagle_Fire> perhaps it's getting to the point where it's too complex to communicate effectively about
[18:06] <wbx> Eagle_Fire: shut up :p
[18:07] <Eagle_Fire> some form of theoretical upper complexity bound that is inversely proportional to the summed lazyness of its developers
[18:07] <wbx> i never know if someone is working on a problem or not. i want to avoid duplicate work.
[18:07] <[mbm]> Eagle_Fire: perhaps it's best if we end now at the height of everthing rather than waiting until things fall apart to declare it over
[18:07] <Eagle_Fire> hey, it worked for seinfeld
[18:07] <nbd> [mbm]: sorry
[18:08] <nbd> whoops
[18:08] <nbd> up+enter in the wrong window
[18:08] <Eagle_Fire> way to kill the convo, nbd
[18:09] <gr8w11ne> Eagle_Fire: thought you killed it
[18:09] <Eagle_Fire> oh yeah, well, shut up
[18:09] <CRC_> a bug tracker would be good.
[18:09] <nbd> Eagle_Fire: see, it's not dead, because now we're discussing who killed it
[18:10] <CRC_> at least there'd be some info/discussion/resolution
[18:10] <[mbm]> Eagle_Fire: It's a magical world, hobbes ol' buddy; let's go exploring
[18:10] <Eagle_Fire> o...kay
[18:10] <[mbm]> ok, obscure reference.
[18:10] <Eagle_Fire> they seem to abound here in freenode
[18:10] <[mbm]> (it's the last line in the calvin and hobbes comic before they ended the series)
[18:11] <Eagle_Fire> fascinating
[18:11] <Eagle_Fire> you ever get your data cable?
[18:11] <[mbm]> yeah, but haven't had time to hook it up
[18:11] <Eagle_Fire> k, i guess i can leave positive feedback now
[18:12] <Eagle_Fire> unless it doesn't work
[18:12] <[mbm]> should work, still sealed in the box
[18:13] <Eagle_Fire> "Fast shipping, and it's probably not related, but all the hot women love me now!"
[18:16] <[mbm]> nbd/wbx/eagle_fire: focus should be on what's wrong with the existing forum/wiki/irc and how we can improve that. blindly throwing things at the problem trying to make the problem go away doesn't work - why do we have the problem in the first place
[18:16] <Eagle_Fire> that is so true
[18:17] <nbd> [mbm]: agreed
[18:17] <[mbm]> I'll be the first to admit we already have communication problems between irc, the forum and the wiki
[18:17] <CRC_> [mbm]: because people don't to through the forums every day, and the wiki is hella out of date
[18:19] <[mbm]> CRC_: the wiki grew out of control
[18:19] <CRC_> I wouldn't mind knowing how many people only ever look at the forums if they're having a problem
[18:19] <[mbm]> there's several pages on the wiki with redundant information
[18:19] <CRC_> [mbm]: yeah - they do that... but good indexing, and linking between them helpds
[18:19] <[mbm]> ie there's a hardware page which lists all the hardware models and if they're expected to work or not
[18:19] <CRC_> http://melbourne.wireless.org.au/wiki/ <-- my wiki stuff
[18:19] <[mbm]> I updated that page after the experimental came out
[18:19] <[mbm]> there's also pages specific to various models
[18:20] <[mbm]> which state those models don't work
[18:20] <nbd> maybe we should agree to at least sync our own forum posts with the wiki if applicable
[18:20] <[mbm]> because those pages never got updated
[18:20] <nbd> that would be a start
[18:20] <bob_> yea i think more wiki work is warranted
[18:20] <nbd> or move discussion to the wiki like in wikipedia
[18:20] <wbx> i would like to have a summary of issues. probably with some meta information. who is working on xyz problem or feature. if a request/bug is closed in cvs or open.
[18:21] Action: CRC_ nominates himself for a partial wiki-whore job...
[18:21] <nbd> then everything can be linked and cross-referenced easily
[18:21] <[mbm]> there's two faqs.. the big mess from when the wiki started and the bare rewrite that I started on
[18:21] <[mbm]> atleast two userguide-ish starting points
[18:21] <nbd> maybe we could even abuse the wiki as a BTS
[18:21] <gr8w11ne> I thought we wernt having an FAQ?
[18:21] <nbd> i.e. make a bug-page with status of the bugs in the index
[18:22] <[mbm]> gr8w11ne: not going to have an faq of random trivia people thought was cool but nobody will ever need to know
[18:22] <[mbm]> nbd: http://openwrt.org/Bugs
[18:23] <nbd> [mbm]: i mean with an index page containg "bug title [ - bug status]" linking to a bug discussion page
[18:23] <[mbm]> old page; usually updated with bugs along the lines of "I'm having a problem; make command not found?"
[18:23] <[mbm]> nbd: do you want to be responsible for such a page?
[18:23] <CRC_> [mbm]: looking more.... the problem isn't that the information isn't there.... it's more that it's a huge challenge to find what you need
[18:24] <[mbm]> CRC_: the problem is that there's an information overload
[18:24] <nbd> [mbm]: i could do that
[18:24] <[mbm]> which is exactly why I don't want to put up a mailing list or bugzilla
[18:24] <CRC_> [mbm]: can I suggest one thing that I can't edit - put a link on http://openwrt.org/ to a download section...
[18:25] <[mbm]> CRC_: download links are in the userguide, doesn't really make sense to download without reading the userguide
[18:25] <nbd> [mbm]: though i'd make a pure bug-page for the developers, not a mix between FAQ and bugs like the current page in the wiki
[18:25] <CRC_> You are not allowed to edit this page.
[18:25] <CRC_> :\
[18:26] <[mbm]> yeah, access to "FrontPage" got restricted after several people tried to fork openwrt development by hijacking the FrontPage to link to their pet projects without even running it by me
[18:26] <[mbm]> (*cough* centralnvrammaps)
[18:27] <CRC_> lol
[18:27] <CRC_> I was looking at the Installing - but creating an account fixed that...
[18:27] <[mbm]> there's a line at the bottom of each page reminding you to login before you edit
[18:28] <[mbm]> thinking about changing the defaults for all pages to require a login
[18:28] <[mbm]> adds some level of accountability to changes
[18:28] <Eagle_Fire> i wouldn't be averse to that
[18:30] <CRC_> what was the G version that works with the experimental, but not the old ones?
[18:30] <CRC_> v2.2 hardware?