OpenWrt

[00:12] <coder> http://forum.bsr-clan.de/viewtopic.php?t=356&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
[00:15] <Kaloz> coder: i know it :p
[00:15] <Kaloz> coder: i'm considering to break it, as this money can't violate the gpl as he wishes
[00:16] Action: [mbm] really doesn't give a damn what sveasoft does .. instead of complaining about sveasoft, just make openwrt better
[00:17] <y354C> Hmm.
[00:17] <coder> [mbm] both things are compatible
[00:17] <coder> [mbm] : openwrt is better, that's a fact. sveasoft uses protection, another fact. keep informed is compatible
[00:18] Action: [mbm] is just sick of reading about sveasoft in the news
[00:18] <coder> I know you are
[00:18] <y354C> The registration process could be trivial.
[00:18] <y354C> Just hash the MAC address.
[00:19] <coder> I like the codename
[00:19] <coder> Talisman
[00:19] <y354C> Or do something involving the MAC address.
[00:19] <Kaloz> coder: in sumemr, we should meet and go to sweden to kick james' (i'm sure his name is smg else) ass :P
[00:19] <Kaloz> s/sumemr/summer/
[00:19] <coder> we should meet to drink some beers
[00:19] Action: Kaloz likes Coronita the most :p
[00:20] Action: coder wants to meet y354C too ... or even [mbm]
[00:20] Action: Kaloz want's to meet [mbm], too :)
[00:20] <Kaloz> just that would be a longer trip
[00:20] <gr8w11ne> [mbm] James is a good at publicity - why don't you write something about OPenWRT for the Linux journal
[00:20] Action: coder won't go to USA until republicans go out
[00:20] Action: [mbm] finds coder creepy and may need to file a restraining order
[00:21] <Kaloz> gr8w11ne: the same way because you get it fro free :p
[00:21] <Kaloz> gr8w11ne: openwrt isn't for advertising and ripping people :p
[00:21] <[mbm]> gr8w11ne: I've always taken the approach that this isn't a popularity contest, if people want to write about openwrt they will, and it will look better comming from a third party then me blowing my own horn
[00:22] Action: coder will pay for a photo of [mbm] blowing his own horn
[00:22] <Kaloz> http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512/notice.cgi?NoticeID=1471
[00:22] <[mbm]> sicko
[00:22] <Wookie_> y354C, i need totla data usage per client per month and mrtg doesnt do it from what i can see.
[00:23] <[mbm]> if you guys want to troll on about sveasoft I suggest looking at the seattlewireless page
[00:23] <[mbm]> particularly the revision logs
[00:24] <gr8w11ne> Kaloz: just because you advertise doesn't mean you rip people off - if you have a good product
[00:24] <coder> revision logs are funny
[00:24] <Kaloz> gr8w11ne: 20-bucks-soft does that :p
[00:24] <coder> [mbm] there's someone really soia
[00:24] <[mbm]> soia?
[00:24] <Kaloz> yeah :p i like the most how many proxies were used by sveasoft :p
[00:24] <Kaloz> hehe
[00:24] <coder> sick of it all
[00:24] <[mbm]> oh
[00:24] <Kaloz> [mbm]: btw, if you chack that url, you can see that sveasoft has a us office :D
[00:25] <[mbm]> as for the number of proxies used, its an easy feat - just use any anonymizer service
[00:25] <Kaloz> hehe, should be a dump somewhere :p
[00:25] <coder> US Office? rofl
[00:25] <coder> maybe his grandpa
[00:25] <Kaloz> [mbm]: he started to use proxies when someone mentioned, that he deletes contents from *.telia.com
[00:26] <y354C> Yeah, [mbm] did.
[00:26] <coder> there's a spanish post saying that james is deleting SW wiki all the time and that he is rewriting the content every half an hour or so
[00:27] <[mbm]> there was a comment somewhere that seattlewireless had to block posting bots
[00:27] <y354C> I wonder if he pays someone full-time to do that.
[00:27] <[mbm]> (they really need to update their wiki .. that old wiki had some major bugs)
[00:28] <[mbm]> the openwrt wiki hasn't had any abuse since we updated wiki versions
[00:32] <[mbm]> hmm they've been busy on the seattlewireless wiki .. sveasoft page now lists software which isn't gpl
[00:33] <Kaloz> [mbm]: yeah, but they should note which ones from the linksys tarball
[00:34] <Kaloz> [mbm]: eg. nas, rc, etc
[00:34] <[mbm]> seems to completely ignore the fact pieces like dropbear, although licensed as MIT style, can still be freely redistributed
[00:54] <lllegal> ipkg_install_file: ERROR: libstdc++ depends on the following uninstalled programs:
[00:54] <lllegal> libstdc++
[00:54] <lllegal> ipkg_install_file: You may want to use `ipkg install' to install these.
[00:55] <lllegal> why would a ipkg copmplain about itselt uninstalled
[00:58] <[mbm]> umm why would anyone write a package that depends on itself?
[00:59] <coder> funny circular dependency
[01:07] <lemy> wrt = bot?
[01:07] <lemy> or human? ;-)
[01:08] <lemy> i've just installed openwrt on my wrt54g now....
[01:08] <Kaloz> :D
[01:08] <lemy> want to use it with chillispot for kind of a "hotspot-in-a-box"
[01:08] <Kaloz> :P
[01:09] <lemy> but chilli needs a webservice supporting perl and https....
[01:09] <lemy> is there any way in openwrt supporting this...
[01:09] <lemy> i don't like the idea of running an extra external webserver just for 1 cgi-script....
[01:09] <lemy> lol
[01:10] Action: lemy is a Linux_knower and OpenWRT_Beginner
[01:10] Action: lemy is located in berne, switzerland
[01:10] Action: lemy is working for a wlan roaming broker ;-)
[01:11] <coder> broker like charlie sheen in stone's wall street?
[01:12] <lemy> stone = oliver stone?
[01:13] <[mbm]> coder: a broker is just someone who sells something
[01:13] <lemy> roaming broker does not mean the same as a wall street boker
[01:14] <lemy> we buy minutes from hotspot companies and sell them to gsm operators....
[01:14] <lemy> that's our game....
[01:15] <lemy> currently we got a foodprint of about 15'000 hotspots around the world...
[01:15] <lemy> and now we need a hotspot-in-a-box solution for very small hotspot companies not knowing how to implement/support our service....
[01:16] <lemy> and i'm the project lead in this. i thought instead of giving companies like cisco, gemtek and nomadix much much money, using open source would be much better....
[01:16] Action: [mbm] notices a catch-22 in the last statement
[01:16] <lemy> but if i don't get a perl and https capable webserver running on openwrt, it's not a solution for us....
[01:17] <[mbm]> perl is doable, infact I think it has been done before .. problem is that it's large
[01:17] <Kaloz> hmz
[01:18] <lemy> uhm, so it's getting a problem on my wrt54g with 8meg flash? uhm.
[01:18] <Kaloz> Nico's mini-httpd package or what is ssl capable, not?
[01:18] <[mbm]> http://nthill.free.fr/openwrt/tracker/
[01:18] <[mbm]> poke around the package list thehre
[01:18] <lemy> k
[01:21] <lemy> yeah, looks like nicos mini-http supports ssl
[01:21] <lemy> so, there remains perl...
[01:26] <[mbm]> imho someone needs to rewrite the portal stuff.. shouldn't require perl
[01:28] <lemy> hm, seems mini-http is already supporting cgi...
[01:32] <[mbm]> cgi is not perl
[01:32] <[mbm]> cgi simply means the webserver can execute a program and display the results as a webpage
[01:34] <lemy> ok
[01:34] <lemy> mini_http works fine. it's what i've looked for...
[01:34] <lemy> now perl...
[01:35] <lemy> hm, found only support for perl regular expressions...
[01:35] <lemy> there's no perl package for openwrt in ipkg is it?
[01:36] <lemy> mbm. ok thank's. should have known this. sorry my silly questioning...
[01:39] <{zombie}> not likely, considering it wouldn't fit on anyone's WRT
[01:40] <{zombie}> I put Perl on my iPAQ.. it took up 1/3 of the flash (10MB out of 30MB)
[01:45] <lemy> well i think this depends on the modules you load
[01:48] <{zombie}> true. you might be able to cut it down some
[01:48] <{zombie}> I just installed the Debian package
[01:49] <lemy> mmmhmm
[01:49] <lemy> i think i will not need any modules...
[01:49] <lemy> but i hate to rewrite the script itself into another language...
[01:49] <Kaloz> lemy: if a router+usb key can be a solution, consider to buy asus wl500g
[01:49] <Kaloz> lemy: that way you will have usb 1.1
[01:50] <Kaloz> not fast, but there will be no problems with space
[01:50] <wbx> Kaloz: do you have a wl500g with usb?
[01:50] <Kaloz> wbx: yes i do, but i don't use the usb now
[01:50] <Kaloz> why?
[01:51] <lemy> what you meen zombie, you installed debian package on your wrt?
[01:51] <{zombie}> no, on my iPAQ
[01:51] <wbx> Kaloz: i would like to know, what someone has todo to use the usb port
[01:51] <{zombie}> I didn't bother trying to install Perl on my WRT :)
[01:51] <Kaloz> wbx: load the modules :)
[01:51] <{zombie}> rewrote the script into sh instead
[01:51] <Kaloz> wbx: okay, maybe compile them before as well :)
[01:52] <wbx> Kaloz: does it work out of the box? no need to use a soldering iron?
[01:52] <Kaloz> wbx: as the asus has usb ports, i have no idea what you want to solder :p
[01:54] <wbx> cool.
[01:57] <coder> http://www.microsoftkid.com/
[02:22] <lemy> what about php on openwrt? also too big or are there any soultions?
[02:24] <Kaloz> there was/is a php package.. but it's rather big
[02:25] <lemy> uhm
[02:26] <lemy> what do you guys think, jens (of chillispot) mentioned of givin sveasoft a try, but i'm no so sure. read a lot about they're not really friendly to the gnu license are they?
[02:26] <Kaloz> lemy: they are violators for real
[02:26] <Kaloz> lemy: and the whole firmware is bloated as hell
[02:27] <Kaloz> lemy: check http://wrt54g.atw.hu to get some ideas :)
[02:36] <lemy> Kaloz: no no no, not reading more about them! already spend about half a day for this... hehe. that's why i'm not friendly of giving sveasoft a try...
[02:36] <lemy> Kaloz: I just cannot believe, that sveasoft can something openwrt can't (uamserver with chillispot)...
[02:37] <lemy> hehe, this james guy is definitively too much!
[03:06] <swiftrhett> my wrt54g is awesome
[03:06] <swiftrhett> just got it
[03:18] <[AvArA]> Hey everyone
[03:19] <[AvArA]> Ok.... I was wonding if people could help me
[03:20] <[AvArA]> I recently "bricked" my old wrt54g v1.0 (solid red light... read all the forums... JTAG is the only way now... which I dont have the will to do)
[03:20] <[AvArA]> Well i've bought a WRT54GS v1.1
[03:21] <[AvArA]> I want to back NVRAM and by doing "nvram > /tmp/nvram.txt" and download it, all from the PING command workabout
[03:23] <[AvArA]> the only problem is, I want to put this file in the WWW folder, so I can download it. But, I dont know the default filestructure for original Linksys firmware/rom.
[03:24] <[AvArA]> Does anyone know where the /httpdocs or /www (i.e. hosted folder) exactly is on the original, untouched Linksys WRT54GS box?
[03:24] <[AvArA]> (did anyone get that?)
[03:28] <{zombie}> I got it, but I have no idea what the answer is
[03:28] <{zombie}> none of my WRTs lasted more than a minute on the original firmware :)
[03:29] <wbx> [AvArA]: /www
[03:29] <[AvArA]> I know... but i want to make a good thorough NVRAM backup before installing stuff
[03:29] <[AvArA]> wbx... thx
[03:29] <[AvArA]> :P
[03:29] <[AvArA]> (last time... Satori and Sveasoft... buggered all my NVRAM settings up !)
[03:29] <wbx> [AvArA]: any chance to put a serial interface into it? to debrick your old one
[03:30] <{zombie}> if you follow the install guide the last step of enabling boot_wait will give you a dump of all nvram vars
[03:30] <{zombie}> so you could save that to a file
[03:31] <{zombie}> I also (somewhere) have a list of "nvram show" before and after flashing (captured via the serial port)
[03:31] <[AvArA]> {zombie}, yeh :P.... but i'm also going to download.... back up the jffs2 partition
[03:31] <{zombie}> original firmware has no jffs2 partition
[03:31] <[AvArA]> wbx, well to make the damn lead.... too much hassel for me :(
[03:31] <[AvArA]> zomie: really?
[03:31] <{zombie}> only a read-only partition which is all in the firmware, so not much point to back it up
[03:32] <{zombie}> really
[03:32] <wbx> [AvArA]: do you want to sent it to me? ( i need more experimenting hardware :})
[03:32] <[AvArA]> wbx, I took the minWIFI card out, and put it in my Tablet PC lol
[03:33] <[AvArA]> {zombie}, tell me one thing.... once i installed a particular build of OpenWRT.... then, over that build I flashed it with another build....
[03:34] <{zombie}> that's different. you'll need to run firstboot in that case
[03:34] <[AvArA]> {zombie}, the new flash still had my old files ! i got worried... thinking.... hold on.... does OpenWRT use some folders/files from the oriingal Linksys firmware
[03:34] <[AvArA]> Oh
[03:35] <{zombie}> openwrt creates a jffs2 partition which sits after the firmware
[03:35] <{zombie}> so when you reflash it either doesn't get touched at all, or gets partly overwritten, if the new firmware is larger than the old
[03:36] <[AvArA]> {zombie}, so tell me... when u reflash with another Openwrt build... whats should u do ? Delete JFFS ? Reload Orig NVRAM? Or just run FirstBoot after reflashing?
[03:37] <{zombie}> just run "firstboot" after reflashing
[03:38] <wbx> {zombie}: so there is no possibility to update the "base openwrt" without losing all jffs2 files (configuration files)?
[03:38] <{zombie}> although if the reflash partly corrupts the jffs2 then you may need to boot into failsafe mode first
[03:38] <{zombie}> wbx: correct
[03:38] <{zombie}> the next major version of openwrt will fix that
[03:38] <[AvArA]> cool
[03:38] <[AvArA]> :P
[03:38] <{zombie}> because it will put everything in one big jffs2 partition
[03:38] <{zombie}> so bits can be upgraded independently
[03:38] <[AvArA]> yeh, that'll be so much better
[03:39] <[AvArA]> otherwise it just gets messy
[03:39] <wbx> {zombie}: without any squashfs stuff?
[03:39] <{zombie}> right
[03:39] <wbx> {zombie}: does the cvs version has code for that? or do you know when this will be happen?
[03:40] <{zombie}> "when it's done"
[03:40] <{zombie}> I don't believe any of it is in CVS
[03:40] <{zombie}> whenever mbm gets the time to finish it I guess
[03:40] <wbx> hmm. an important fact for me.
[03:41] <[AvArA]> is it wise to do "mtd erase linux" before every reflash ?
[03:41] <wbx> {zombie}: what is the main communication medium for developers?
[03:41] <{zombie}> wbx: this channel is it
[03:41] <[AvArA]> {zombie} is it wise to do "mtd erase linux" before every reflash ?
[03:41] <{zombie}> there's only really one main developer as far as I know
[03:42] <{zombie}> [AvArA]: I have no idea
[03:45] <wbx> {zombie}: mbm is the only developer?
[03:47] <{zombie}> as far as I know, yes
[03:48] <evablunted> yo guys
[03:48] <evablunted> howz y'all doing today.
[03:49] <evablunted> well, i am back with some questions about the wrt54g with openwrt. i am battling. docs ain't getting me far. i was hoping that you clever fellaz could help me
[03:50] <{zombie}> not if you don't ask them
[03:50] <[AvArA]> :P
[03:51] <evablunted> the problem that i am having now is that i have flashed my wrt54g with openwrt-g-code.bin
[03:52] <evablunted> the baby starts up. i can telnet to it and stuff. i have configured the interfaces.
[03:52] <evablunted> now how do i setup wireless for one. my pc is not picking up a wireless access point nearby. what are the steps for getting this setup?
[03:53] <evablunted> also, after i have done that, how do i setup pppoe to connect to my isp so i can download and install those lovely packages....
[03:53] <[AvArA]> Woops
[03:53] <[AvArA]> :P
[03:53] <[AvArA]> lol
[03:53] <{zombie}> helps if you stick around for the answers too...
[03:53] <[AvArA]> i think he did something there
[03:53] <whaq> haha
[03:53] <[AvArA]> lol
[03:54] <[AvArA]> I'm going to install a socks server and Privoxy on mine
[03:54] <whaq> ..after that, you should have no problem connecting to your pppoe isp. simple, right?
[03:54] <[AvArA]> with no IP masq or firewardking :)
[03:55] <[AvArA]> evablunted, u missed the answer
[03:55] <evablunted> sorry i got disconnected there for a little while. please run that by me again... if there was any response that is....
[03:55] <mrverbose> [AvArA], you surely do not want privoxy installed on the wrt54g
[03:55] <[AvArA]> t:P
[03:55] <mrverbose> its cpu is far too slow for that
[03:55] <mrverbose> at least to get reasonable speed
[03:56] <[AvArA]> mrverbose, well any proxy will do... might just stick with socks daemon, or squid?
[03:56] <{zombie}> evablunted: you configure the wireless via the wl0_* nvram variables
[03:56] <mrverbose> squid on a wrt54gs?
[03:56] <mrverbose> you are insane
[03:56] <{zombie}> and to set up pppoe you first need to install the pppoe package, and then follow the instructions in the README
[03:56] <[AvArA]> mrverbose, lol... yup.... i've seen ipkgs out there
[03:56] <mrverbose> that doesnt mean its useful to install them
[03:57] <[AvArA]> mrverbose, hmm.... thats what i was thinking... well for squid anyway
[03:57] <[AvArA]> mrverbose, its got a deeply nested file structure... once that gets going
[03:57] <mrverbose> just because you can jump off a cliff to death doesnt mean you have to do it
[03:57] <evablunted> where do i find the pppoe package?
[03:57] <mrverbose> evablunted, it comes with the default image in modules
[03:58] <[AvArA]> mrverbose, i just want it to have all my interenet access passworded.... so that those nasty trojans and spy ware... even if installed... cant communicate out
[03:59] <[AvArA]> (without having to install firewalls on each PC)
[03:59] <evablunted> ok wait. i am now completely lost...
[03:59] <[AvArA]> evablunted, worry not :P I'm going to some deciding myself
[04:01] <swiftrhett> avara, wanna sell me your bricked wrt54g?
[04:02] <{zombie}> evablunted: http://openwrt.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/buildroot/README.pppoe?rev=1.2&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup
[04:02] <[AvArA]> swiftrhett, well i dont mind. But it doesnt have the miniPCI card in it. I took it out... and upgraded my Tablet PC to 54G with it.
[04:03] <evablunted> ok, let me disconnect and go try this out and i will get back to you guys.
[04:03] <swiftrhett> oh, that's version 1.0? i forget, does it need the minipci?
[04:03] <mrverbose> [AvArA], have you ever weighed to install other than windows OS? because that will solve most of the problems you are trying to solve by a proxy
[04:03] <swiftrhett> just for 802.11b?
[04:04] <[AvArA]> swiftrhett, yeh ofcourse it does. and if u were to buy it... it just wont be worth it for u. Unless u want it for spares... like Aerials etc
[04:04] <swiftrhett> yeah, i could just get a new one for $50, ok, thanks for being honest
[04:05] <{zombie}> I'm still wondering if it's possible to put a different miniPCI card in them
[04:05] <{zombie}> eg a senao
[04:05] <[AvArA]> mrverbose, i'll be honest. I love linux. But I love the games and apps that come on Windows
[04:06] <swiftrhett> has anyone played with hacking interfaces ont their wrt54g? I want to make something like a slimserver squeezebox out of one
[04:06] <swiftrhett> like led displays, ir remote control
[04:07] <swiftrhett> lcd
[04:07] <[AvArA]> mrverbose, I used to have a Linux Box.... but.... it just kinda got in the way. Noise, Size, etc. I was going to buy a Mini PC, those MIPS ones... that come with a Compact Flash and quite a few ports. But when I discovered, I can do all this throught my Linksys... i said screw it. As long as i have a socks, and Iptables I'm cool. Dont care for anything else.
[04:08] <[AvArA]> I just dont trust windows for security. Actually, i dont trust windows /MS fullstop!
[04:09] <mrverbose> [AvArA], no, i did not mean linux box as a router (thats what you have right now) but as replacement for the windows boxes
[04:09] <{zombie}> swiftrhett: you could probably do things like that if they are serial controlled
[04:09] <{zombie}> provided they don't rely on any of the handshaking pins
[04:09] <swiftrhett> you could do ethernet to serial
[04:09] <{zombie}> yeah, but the ethernet-serial converters I've seen cost more than the WRT itself
[04:10] <[AvArA]> mrverbose, well... Linux for gaming would be amazing. and for Apps i love windows. eg. Camera stuff. I do Professional Recording etc. So my main PC would have to stay Windows, unfortunately :(
[04:10] <[AvArA]> mrverbose, for my Tablet PC, well... Linux aint to amazing for handwriting yet. so... i can surely forget it that for a while.
[04:11] <mrverbose> [AvArA], well, thats your problem at all :-)
[04:11] <[AvArA]> mrverbose, and I dont think my wife is capable of using unix
[04:11] <[AvArA]> :P
[04:11] <mrverbose> [AvArA], my girlfriend is :-)
[04:11] <mrverbose> but she is using suse - bäh
[04:12] <[AvArA]> mrverbose, lol... well i aint swapping for sure ! lol
[04:12] <{zombie}> don't all germans use SuSe? :)
[04:12] <nitram> hell no1
[04:12] <mrverbose> {zombie}, not at all
[04:12] <mrverbose> suse really sucks
[04:12] <{zombie}> and all french use Mandrake :P
[04:12] <{zombie}> or something
[04:12] <mrverbose> and all americans use redhat?
[04:13] <mrverbose> or fedora or whatever its called atm
[04:13] <{zombie}> mrverbose: I know.. just seems that all the ex-german guys here use SuSe
[04:13] <[AvArA]> my mate uses FreeBSD (sigh)
[04:13] <{zombie}> and rave about it
[04:13] <{zombie}> most of them drive VWs too
[04:13] <mrverbose> well, suse is the worst distro i ever installed
[04:13] <{zombie}> I think secretly they miss home
[04:13] <[AvArA]> mrverbose, i hate Suse too
[04:14] <[AvArA]> I wanna install Linux on my car GPS
[04:14] <[AvArA]> :P
[04:14] <[AvArA]> (not!)
[04:14] <mrverbose> i started with mandrake, switched over to slackware, then to suse for 1 day and i finally arrived at gentoo . in between i had debian installed on my server, but that box is on gentoo now as well
[04:15] <mrverbose> and my fathers box runs fedora (nice distro as well)
[04:16] <[AvArA]> mrverbose, what was ure first PC's spec?
[04:16] <mrverbose> unfortunately he mostly runs windows xp
[04:16] <mrverbose> its a notebook
[04:16] <mrverbose> centrino 1,4GHz
[04:16] <Kaloz> mrverbose: if you want to use the worst, try uhu :P
[04:16] <mrverbose> Kaloz, uhu?
[04:17] <Kaloz> mrverbose: hungarian debian-based distro
[04:17] <Kaloz> however, you have to forget all the standards of debian
[04:17] <[AvArA]> mrverbose, my first ever PC was a 80286. 10Mhz. 20Mb HDD. Green Screen.... Dos 3.3
[04:17] <mrverbose> well, i removed debian because they destroyed many packages by patching
[04:17] <mrverbose> [AvArA], ah you mean my first pc
[04:17] <[AvArA]> aye
[04:17] <mrverbose> i thought the first pc i have now
[04:17] <Kaloz> c64
[04:17] <Kaloz> :P
[04:17] <mrverbose> since i have more than 1
[04:17] <[AvArA]> Kaloz, dats not a PC
[04:18] <[AvArA]> Kaloz, in that case, Spectrum 48
[04:18] <[AvArA]> lol
[04:18] <mrverbose> i started with 486-dx33
[04:18] <Kaloz> [AvArA]: it was :) just not ibm pc :p
[04:18] <mrverbose> but before i had a c64 and an amiga 500
[04:18] <[AvArA]> Kaloz, i still miss the tapes
[04:18] Action: Kaloz 's firs ibm pc was a 286 16mhz
[04:18] <Kaloz> :)
[04:18] <[AvArA]> :P
[04:18] <[AvArA]> Nah, i wasnt allowed an Amiga *sigh*
[04:18] <Kaloz> but it was one of the new ones
[04:18] <Kaloz> i had IDE!!
[04:18] <[AvArA]> because of my GCSEs lol
[04:18] <Kaloz> :)
[04:19] <[AvArA]> brb
[04:20] <mrverbose> and my favorite router distro is of course openwrt
[04:20] <[AvArA]> mrverbose, definitely
[04:20] <mrverbose> its running so smoothly
[04:20] <mrverbose> at least with rp-pppoe
[04:20] <[AvArA]> the other ones... u cant do nothing
[04:20] <mrverbose> pppoecd caused a lot of problems
[04:20] <mrverbose> [AvArA], there is also a nice x86 router distro called fli4l
[04:21] <[AvArA]> Let me tell u the best one :P
[04:21] <mrverbose> it runs on a 80486 16MB Ram from a floppy
[04:21] <[AvArA]> (not bad for small footprint)
[04:21] <mrverbose> i used that one for an isdn router
[04:22] <mrverbose> its capable of dsl, cable and so on as well
[04:22] <mrverbose> but wrt54gs is better for dsl/cable routing
[04:23] <[AvArA]> Astaro Security Linux
[04:23] <[AvArA]> All WebDriven.... with.... shell access like normal too
[04:23] <[AvArA]> very nice... its got VPN, Proxy, Firewall, the lot
[04:24] <[AvArA]> its like those ones u buy.... i forgot their names.... those SOHO boxes Fire??? something
[04:24] <[AvArA]> but FREE
[04:24] <[AvArA]> :P
[04:26] <swiftrhett> i installed sveasoft on my gs
[04:26] <swiftrhett> i emailed gnu and asked how they feel about sveasoft
[04:27] <swiftrhett> they said they're discussing it with them
[04:27] <[AvArA]> the bad thing about sveasoft is, once u install their software, branches of from the default NVRAM and other settings.
[04:28] <[AvArA]> apart from the problem of being hard to recover from.... its shell was just too restrictive. eg. No IPKG support.
[04:28] <swiftrhett> what's nvram?
[04:29] <[AvArA]> heh :P
[04:29] <swiftrhett> the shell is pretty restrictive, i have found
[04:29] <[AvArA]> yeh
[04:30] <swiftrhett> what's wrong with branching from default nvram?
[04:31] <swiftrhett> i got the definition
[04:31] <[AvArA]> swiftrhett, well, once Source code and set of terms was hard enough to remember (for Linksys)
[04:31] <[AvArA]> swiftrhettL now.... u have to remember theirs too
[04:31] <[AvArA]> Their web stuff is good.
[04:32] <[AvArA]> adds a few features here n there
[04:32] <swiftrhett> oh i see, it's just bulkier than openwrt, you mean?
[04:32] <swiftrhett> unnecessary stuff
[04:32] <evablunted> yo guys. i am back. still having very little luck with my pppoe connection. i ran the following commands;
[04:32] <evablunted> nvram set wan_ifname ppp0
[04:32] <evablunted> nvram set wan_proto pppoe
[04:32] <evablunted> nvram set ppp_username thunderbolt@wbs.co.za
[04:32] <evablunted> nvram set ppp_passwd th0rn3t
[04:32] <evablunted> nvram set ppp_redialperiod 30
[04:32] <evablunted> nvram set ppp_idletime 1000000
[04:32] <[AvArA]> swiftrhett, no... they've just renamed quite a lot of things.
[04:32] <evablunted> nvram set wan_mtu 1492
[04:32] <evablunted> i still can't connect though...
[04:32] <[AvArA]> brb
[04:32] <[AvArA]> swiftrhett, i'm no expert though mate. just my opinion
[04:33] <evablunted> shite!
[04:33] <swiftrhett> i'm really happy with the QoS so far, but since i have a cable modem, i have to set my bandwidth to way lower than my possible maximum
[04:33] <[AvArA]> swiftrhett, just a bad experience with it.
[04:33] <swiftrhett> i'd like to write a QoS that does a speed check every hour or something
[04:33] <swiftrhett> for cable modems
[04:33] <[AvArA]> swiftrhett, r u talking about Satori / Alchemy?
[04:33] <swiftrhett> alchemy
[04:34] <swiftrhett> i ran some extensive ping tests tongiht
[04:34] <[AvArA]> swiftrhett, yeh... well.... the Qos... I kept choosing Bandwidth Limit on LAN/WLAN... and got locked out.
[04:35] <[AvArA]> swiftrhett, silly bug really
[04:35] <swiftrhett> their QoS only increases pingtime by like 1 ms
[04:35] <[AvArA]> swiftrhett, well, yeh, the QoS on theirs is the Wondershaper or something... I think its the same as Linksys, but just tweaked up
[04:35] <swiftrhett> i have to set max download/upload to 2200/275 kbps when I susposedly have 3000/3784
[04:36] <swiftrhett> sorry 3000/384
[04:36] <[AvArA]> I have 1.5 *sigh*
[04:36] <swiftrhett> linksys didn't have a QoS default
[04:36] <[AvArA]> how much u payin for ures?
[04:36] <swiftrhett> 45/month, roadrunner
[04:36] <swiftrhett> i'm 12000 feet from the telco, i gotta do cable
[04:36] <Santa|here> [AvArA] : is 3.37 based openwrt firmware out?
[04:37] <evablunted> guys
[04:37] <evablunted> please help!
[04:38] Action: evablunted can't get this going...
[04:39] <swiftrhett> what's the problem?
[04:40] <evablunted> well i ran the following commands to get my pppoe going:
[04:40] <evablunted> nvram set wan_ifname ppp0
[04:40] <evablunted> nvram set wan_proto pppoe
[04:40] <evablunted> nvram set ppp_username me@that.place
[04:40] <evablunted> nvram set ppp_passwd password
[04:40] <evablunted> nvram set ppp_redialperiod 30
[04:40] <evablunted> nvram set ppp_idletime 1000000
[04:40] <evablunted> nvram set wan_mtu 1492
[04:41] <evablunted> i then did a commit and reboot, but when the thing comes up there is not ppp0. then i do an ifcfg ppp0 up. no luck. i don't know what the next step is...
[04:42] <swiftrhett> have you tried alchemy?
[04:42] <evablunted> alchemy?
[04:42] <swiftrhett> sveasoft
[04:43] <swiftrhett> i bet their pppoe works
[04:43] <mrverbose> you have pppoecd installed havent you?
[04:43] <evablunted> yes i have pppoecd
[04:43] <Kaloz> swiftrhett: this channel is for openwrt.
[04:44] <swiftrhett> why isn't it called openwrt then?
[04:44] <mrverbose> evablunted, i cant tell you whats wrong, i am using rp-pppoe anyway
[04:46] <Kaloz> swiftrhett: maybe because we beleive that everyone can read the topic and the notice when he/she joins the channel :p
[04:46] <mrverbose> and because we do not like svaesoft users :P
[04:46] <mrverbose> and we do not like svaesoft either :D
[04:46] <Kaloz> ;)
[04:47] <swiftrhett> i like the hardware , i don't care what the software is
[04:47] <swiftrhett> you guys should leave this channel for the hardware
[04:47] <mrverbose> swiftrhett, then go to #svaesoft and ask them there
[04:47] <swiftrhett> openwrt for your software
[04:47] <swiftrhett> i don't care about their software
[04:47] <Kaloz> swiftrhett: this channels is here for a long time, and will stay for a while
[04:48] <Kaloz> swiftrhett: and you were talkign about software, anyway :P
[04:48] <swiftrhett> yeah true
[04:49] <swiftrhett> I thought it was interesting that gnu didn't tell me how they felt either way
[04:49] <[AvArA]> :P
[04:49] <swiftrhett> abou sveasoft
[04:49] <swiftrhett> all you guys don't like them, but isn't it really to gnu to decide? I mean chances are they don't like them, and didn't want to discuss it with me
[04:49] <[AvArA]> sveasoft.... they charge money
[04:50] <[AvArA]> I dont like anyone (other than me) charging me money
[04:50] <swiftrhett> it's not the charging, its the fact that they stop other people from distributing gpl software for free
[04:50] <[AvArA]> :P
[04:50] <[AvArA]> thats whats happening
[04:51] <[AvArA]> the General Public help making it big
[04:51] <[AvArA]> and when its big
[04:51] <[AvArA]> they start charging
[04:51] <[AvArA]> :(
[04:52] <swiftrhett> well, software aside, i'm really impressed with this box
[04:52] <swiftrhett> i just got one, man
[04:52] <evablunted> i give up on this. i think i will go back to the linksys firmware until there is more documentation on this. i wish i could contriubte to the documentation, but man, it's a problem even getting to the point where i can get it working to contribute to the docs...
[04:52] <evablunted> shite!
[04:52] <swiftrhett> it seems as good as a nat box to me
[04:53] <evablunted> guys, thanks for your help.
[04:53] <evablunted> ciao ciao now!
[04:53] <Kaloz> pick your poison
[04:53] <[AvArA]> Ummmm.... strawberry!
[04:53] <[AvArA]> :P
[04:53] <Kaloz> :p
[04:54] <{zombie}> ricin for me please
[04:57] <[AvArA]> Hey... {zombie} i suggest that in the OPENwrt forums, they inform people to back up their NVRAMS in a safe place before proceeding.
[04:57] <[AvArA]> Just as a helper
[04:58] <[AvArA]> (rather than... help them... once theyve screwed it ...lol)
[04:58] <[AvArA]> like i did :(
[05:00] <[AvArA]> hey is anyone here good with DNS in general?
[05:01] <[AvArA]> The question i have, is if I own a domiain, eg. avara.com
[05:02] <[AvArA]> how do i set DNS up, so when people do a Reverse Lookup of my IP, or when I enter an IRC channel, it appears as "avara.com" (as opposed to the one setup by my Server Provider by default)
[05:04] <swiftrhett> avara, you don't do that
[05:04] <swiftrhett> you need to own the ip
[05:05] <[AvArA]> oh
[05:05] <[AvArA]> sounds expensive
[05:11] <quark> [AvArA]: or use ipv6
[06:25] <d00f_> ++
[06:32] <evablunted> yo
[06:33] <gerdi> is it possible 2 flash the bootloader without JTAG Interface (from openwrt)- I fixed boot_wait=off on reset and want to test it ;)
[06:36] <gerdi> it is /dev/mtd/0 ?
[06:36] <gerdi> seems to be ;)
[06:38] <HiTek> is there something in the firmware i can add to the wrt54g that can redirect people who come on my access point to a certain webpage?
[06:38] <HiTek> i am offering free web access and i want them to goto a page that will just greet them and if they have any problems to email or im me
[06:45] <gerdi> root@OpenWrt:~# dd if=boot.iso of=/dev/mtd/0
[06:45] <gerdi> dd: /dev/mtd/0: Permission denied
[06:45] <gerdi> root@OpenWrt:~# ls -al /dev/mtd/0
[06:45] <gerdi> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 90, 0 Jan 1 1970 /dev/mtd/0 but why cant I write to it?
[06:45] <gerdi> sorry for spam :)
[06:47] <gerdi> I can write it with JTAG-Interface .. but that doesnt help all other wrt_user :(
[06:48] <gerdi> nobody wants a resettable router keeping boot_wait=on? OK ....
[06:51] <gerdi> does a german openwrt/wrt54g - channel exist? (@quakenet perhaps)
[06:54] <Zoiah> gerdi: http://openwrt.org/OpenWrtFaq#head-e9d1d6a54806a68fe48c16766aef84207101a130
[06:54] <gerdi> ;) thx
[06:56] <gerdi> hmm I can unlock every .. but the boot :(
[06:57] <gerdi> mtd unlock mtd0 Unlocking mtd0 mtd0: Permission denied :(
[07:16] <coder> you do not want to unlock mtd0
[07:16] <coder> you not need to modify anything there
[07:17] <evablunted> ladies and gents...
[07:18] <evablunted> groot kak in klein china
[07:18] <gerdi> coder, but if I want to? (I want to!) ;)
[07:19] <evablunted> i wrote this little start up script to start pppoecd, now i used the wrong interface name for pppoecd, the one i am supposed to be connecting to via telnet to fix the error. now i can't connect anymore...
[07:19] <evablunted> any pointers of how i can delete this file??
[07:19] <coder> why do you want to do that? if you hand modify mtd0 forget the router to boot again
[07:20] <gerdi> Is it checksummed?
[07:20] <evablunted> groot kak
[07:20] Action: evablunted sobbing like a chick who's just been dumped
[07:20] <evablunted> i messed my wrt54g up...
[07:21] <evablunted> please help me guys. please please please.
[07:21] <evablunted> shite!
[07:21] <gerdi> evablunted, last chance ist JTAG-Interface .. it works everytime ;)
[07:21] <evablunted> how do i get in via that?
[07:21] <coder> it is somewhat 'hardcoded' (not exactly)
[07:21] <coder> evablunted just boot up in failsafe
[07:22] <coder> and delete the file
[07:22] <gerdi> because of this I want to modyfy mtd0! to set boot_wait=on on hardreset
[07:22] <evablunted> how do i do that?
[07:22] <coder> boot_wait is on mtd3
[07:22] <evablunted> how do i boot into failsafe mode?
[07:22] <coder> evablunted reading the docs usually helps
[07:22] <evablunted> oh. that's true. it does help sometimes.
[07:23] <evablunted> oi
[07:24] <gerdi> coder, boot_wait is on mtd3 ... if you clear nvram with a hard reset (>30sec) the mtd1(boot) will write the defaults into mtd3 and then boot_wait is off ;(
[07:24] <coder> then you boot up again and set it on via nvram command
[07:25] <gerdi> and if the system wont come up .. you loose :( becaue it isn on ;(
[07:26] <gerdi> oherwise make hardreste and write new over tftp .. then its not a brick :P
[07:26] <gerdi> reste=reset
[07:29] <evablunted> errr... can't find anything to do with neither the jtag interface nor how to get into failsafe mode on my docs.
[07:29] <coder> evablunted hold reset for some secs while booting
[07:30] <coder> be careful to not reset nvram
[07:30] <coder> gerdi if the system booted before a nvram reset it will boot again
[07:30] <coder> (after a nvram reset)
[07:31] <evablunted> what happens if i reset nvram?
[07:32] <evablunted> sorry. i not very clever when it comes to diz tingz
[07:33] <gerdi> evablunted, all config is lost and boot_wait is set to off :(
[07:34] <evablunted> ouch!
[07:34] <evablunted> so when exactly do i let go of the reset button to make sure that that does not happen?
[07:35] <evablunted> i get the feeling i will be buying a new linksys router soon...
[07:35] Action: evablunted shakes his head thinking he should have stuck with the linksys firmware in the first place
[07:35] <gerdi> I have this feeling days ago ! And its working again ;)
[07:37] <gerdi> evablunted, try failsafe-mode
[07:37] <evablunted> phew
[07:38] <evablunted> i am starting to sweat.
[07:38] <gerdi> working again?!
[07:38] <evablunted> no. no luck as yet.
[07:39] <evablunted> i turned the mother off. pressed the reset button. put the power back on. left the reset button for 10 seconds and let go. did not seem to work
[07:40] <evablunted> any pointers?
[07:44] <evablunted> wow!
[07:44] <evablunted> i'm back.
[07:44] <evablunted> many many thanks gerdi
[07:44] <evablunted> you're the man!
[07:44] <evablunted> let me go offline for a few min and fix everything again.
[07:44] <gerdi> ;)
[07:44] <evablunted> starting to sweat like a pig here...
[07:49] <b0mmel> moin
[07:51] <webmind> moin
[08:02] <gerdi> is the source of "mtd0" open? and howto unlock it?
[08:05] <[mbm]> mtd0 would be the bootloader
[08:06] <gerdi> jup
[08:06] <stevo_inc> gerdi is very devoted to this thing :P
[08:06] <gerdi> no only 2 weeks :P
[08:06] <[mbm]> umm why would you want to overwrite the bootloader?
[08:07] <gerdi> I want to change the default nvram settings! (boot_wait=on)
[08:08] <[mbm]> you realize that if you break the bootloader you're going to have a really fun time trying to fix it again?
[08:08] <gerdi> I habe a Jtag-Interface and a backup ;)
[08:08] <gerdi> I have a Jtag-Interface and a backup ;)
[08:09] <[mbm]> so use the jtag to download it and then upload the modified version
[08:09] <[mbm]> openwrt is set not to allow you to touch the partition
[08:09] <gerdi> I can do this .. but you cant !
[08:09] <coder> [mbm] : I've tried to explain gerdi why unlocking mtd0 is not a good idea
[08:09] <coder> but he seems not to want to understand
[08:10] <gerdi> coder .. without working JTAG .. I will never trie someting like this!
[08:11] Action: coder won't do either with a jtag
[08:11] <gerdi> I want to help all other wrt54-user ... I cant brick my box!
[08:11] <coder> you'll see why your router does not boot, cool
[08:12] <gerdi> perhaps .. seriel interface is in work;)
[08:13] <gerdi> but I dont think that the bootloader does seriel logging ;( the kernel can
[08:15] <y354C> gerdi: If you have a serial port you can overwrite the bootloader from itself.
[08:16] <gerdi> with jtag I can .. but howtoo with the serial port?
[08:16] <coder> not with a copy of itself
[08:45] <evablunted1> really done it this time. now i can't ping my router and bootwait seems to be off.
[08:46] Action: evablunted1 sobbing
[08:46] <Dreamer3> coder: what is mtd0?
[08:49] <Dreamer3> ok, no one talking
[08:49] <Santa|Brije> lol
[08:49] <Dreamer3> evablunted1: buy a new one
[08:50] <Santa|Brije> Dreamer3 : pvt
[08:50] <Dreamer3> Santa|Brije: channel only, thanks
[08:51] <evablunted1> it's quite obvious that i should not be messing around with this thing.
[08:51] <evablunted1> so there's nothing else i can do, apart from buying a new one?
[08:51] <Santa|Brije> yes and send old linksys to me
[08:51] <Dreamer3> evablunted1: you can google and find the instructions online for taking it apart and starting to short pins and stuff
[08:52] <evablunted1> shite
[08:52] <Santa|Brije> evablunted1 : yes... short ping... My first Linksys was shorted
[08:52] <evablunted1> i saw an article like that. scared the living daylights out of me...
[08:56] <evablunted1> so this is the only way now that i can reset this baby?
[09:04] <evablunted1> absolutely no other way?
[09:04] <evablunted1> come guys, work with me here...
[09:04] <gerdi> evablunted1, JTAG -> http://spacetoad.com/tmp/hairydairymaid_debrickv22.zip
[09:11] Action: Santa|Brije is away "....kod J0X-a sam..." • Log: on • Pager: off
[10:13] <evablunted1> well well well, now i managed to short the mother. i could ping. i installed the firmware (openwrt-g-code.bin) in my v2.2 wrt54g, but after the tftp, i could no longer ping it. wassup wit dat?
[10:18] <Kaloz> read the forums. g 2.2 ang gs 1.1 is not supported yet
[10:19] <evablunted1> there is firmware available for the g2.2. http://rodent.za.net/files/openwrt/
[10:19] <evablunted1> it worked until i decided to make a stupid mistake in a startup script.
[10:19] <y354C> You use firmware written by a rodent?
[10:19] <evablunted1> yes. i use firmware written by one.
[10:20] <evablunted1> i give up on this now...
[10:20] <[mbm]> Sorry; we don't provide support for modified firmwares (including that one)
[10:20] <evablunted1> somebody wanna donate a new wrt54g?
[10:21] <[mbm]> see the troubleshooting page for advice
[10:21] <y354C> evablunted1: How about you donate one yourself?
[10:21] <y354C> Seems you have one that you're not using right now.
[10:23] <evablunted1> shite! anybody wanna help me out of this predicament?
[10:23] <Wookie__> does anyone run a flow collector like ntop for the rflow prog on the wrt?
[10:24] <evablunted1> ok, we swop then. you get mine that i am not using and you give me yours...
[10:24] <y354C> Wookie__: I think Han Solo has one.
[10:24] <y354C> evablunted1: Okay I'll send you my PUTO router.
[10:25] <evablunted1> what the hell is puto now?
[10:26] <[mbm]> y354C: heh
[10:26] <evablunted1> ok, let me trying flashing this mother with the original firmware again...
[10:26] <y354C> They sell it at Walmart.
[10:26] <evablunted1> well, we don't have walmart around these parts.
[10:26] <evablunted1> we have massmart and they sure don't have it there...
[10:32] <jopi> puto = gigolo in spanish
[10:33] <y354C> http://www.tomsphotos.com/router/
[10:34] <evablunted1> now that's the sh*t that i'm talking about!
[10:40] <evablunted1> got this little mother this time.
[10:41] <evablunted1> i just never learn. i'm back to this openwrt stuff... again!
[10:41] <evablunted1> shite
[10:58] <whaq> so that's jtag
[11:01] <whaq> evablunted1, did you fix it?
[11:04] <evablunted1> no i didn' use jtag. i don't have the time to make the cable they talk about. besides my board does not have the pins they talk about.
[11:04] <evablunted1> so i short the mother.
[11:05] <evablunted1> but now the stupid thing is that openwrt does not by default come with pppoecd. so how am i supposed to get on the net and install other packages? shite!
[11:08] <Kaloz> 1. use a local ftp/http server 2. modify the rootfs and recreate it
[11:11] <mlo> Kaloz: mbm yesterday refered to you as being knowledgeable about Asus WL500g ?
[11:11] <mlo> I seem to have a little problem...
[11:11] <Kaloz> yep
[11:11] <Kaloz> what problem?
[11:11] <mlo> I kinda bricked mine..
[11:11] <mlo> kinda -> here the story:
[11:12] <mlo> After several attempts on updating, i figured how how the recover.sh script worked.
[11:12] <mlo> So I got openwrt up there just fine.
[11:12] <mlo> Then I got greedy and tried putting an image I had prepared for my old wrt54g there.
[11:13] <mlo> I used mtd write.
[11:13] <mlo> Now after that, the thing seems to be in some sort of never ending loop after reset,, power flashes twice, and then the thing reboots every about 10 seconds.
[11:14] <mlo> (i can tell for I lose link on the ethernet)
[11:14] <mlo> Now I still can get to recovery mode, and I can flash images just fine, both with recover.sh/tftp and even the windows program they ship.
[11:14] <mlo> However on any image I flash, the same reaction.
[11:14] <mlo> I tried verious versions of original firmware, openwrt, basically anything.
[11:15] <mlo> Any ideas ?
[11:15] <Kaloz> try to flash http://wl500g.dyndns.org/wl500g-recover.trx
[11:16] <mlo> Downloading. Whats that, if I may ask ?
[11:17] <Kaloz> a hacked asus frimware, which uses hardcoded values, if i recall correctly
[11:19] <mlo> OK, flashing...
[11:20] <mlo> No luck. Same result.
[11:21] <sephail> mlo: i have a similar problem with my WRT54GS actually ...
[11:21] <sephail> no solution yet, mine is bricked for now as well: http://openwrt.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3963#3963
[11:22] <sephail> although completely different hardware, the problem sounds very similar
[11:24] <mlo> sephail: And you get only garbage out of the serial port ? Even trying all possible bitrates etc ?
[11:24] <sephail> yes, very strange
[11:25] <sephail> i sat there for about 2 hours trying different combinations, even resorted to trying to invert the logic
[11:25] <sephail> nothing, just garbage
[11:28] <whaq> how's the asus? is it the only openwrt-compatible device with USB?
[11:31] <whaq> Wookie_: Rawhrawwrahwrarawh
[11:39] <mic> hello, is there a documentation how to configure pppoecd ???
[11:39] <HiTek> is there something in the firmware i can add to the wrt54g that can redirect people who come on my access point to a certain webpage?
[11:39] <HiTek> i am offering free web access and i want them to goto a page that will just greet them and if they have any problems to email or im me
[11:40] <evablunted1> fellas
[11:41] <evablunted1> how do i autostart my pppoecd connection?
[11:41] <evablunted1> i wrote a script, called it S95internet, with the following it:
[11:42] <evablunted1> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_dynaddr
[11:42] <evablunted1> if=vlan1
[11:42] <evablunted1> if_username=user@domain.tld
[11:42] <evablunted1> if_password=password
[11:42] <evablunted1> if_redial=5
[11:42] <evablunted1> if_idletime=0
[11:42] <evablunted1>
[11:42] <evablunted1> ifconfig $if 0.0.0.0 up
[11:42] <evablunted1> sleep 5
[11:42] <evablunted1> she no konnect. i not know hoekom
[11:43] <evablunted1> i need help, please hulp my
[11:43] <evablunted1> please please help me please...
[11:44] <evablunted1> the script sits in /etc/init.d
[11:46] <mlo> evablunted: I currently can't speak for current openwrt versions (still trying to get it going) but in the past, you didnt need your own script.
[11:46] <mlo> You would simply set some nvram variables, innstall the pppoecd package and voila..
[11:46] <evablunted1> how did the ppp connection get started? is there some other way i can do this?
[11:47] <evablunted1> what are those nvram vars that i need to get this going?
[11:47] <mlo> probably simply grep for ppp in the init scripts should give you good enough hints, http://www.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Configuration says wlan_proto set to ppp is probably what you want
[11:48] <mlo> as vor what those nvram vars are, I'd refer you to abovementioned documentation
[11:52] <evablunted1> let me try this again and get back tp the list...
[11:53] <evablunted1> i mean to the channel.
[11:56] <gr8w11ne> HiTek: google NoCatAuth
[11:58] <rezn> is it feasable to run a wrt54g(s) from a battery?
[11:59] <webmind> sure
[12:00] <webmind> it uses no more then 12 watts
[12:01] <rezn> im thinking a laptop battery , since i have a few laying around
[12:04] <gr8w11ne> rezn: uses 12V DC
[12:32] <Josephus> hehe
[12:32] <Josephus> Update: As of today (2005-01-17) Asus ships new wl500g units with Afterburner already enabled, so there is no need to change srom
[12:33] <wbx> what is Afterburner?
[12:34] <Josephus> 125mbit
[12:39] <sephail> gr8w11ne: thats not necesarally true.
[12:39] <sephail> gr8w11ne: the WRTs have a DC->DC converter ... it doesn't have to be 12v input
[12:39] <sephail> at least, i can vouch for the v1.0 GS
[12:40] <rezn> sephail: thats cool.
[12:41] <sephail> rezn: which revision do you have?
[12:41] <rezn> 2.2 i think, but it was DOA so I just sent it back and am awaiting a replacement
[12:42] <sephail> look for an IC on the board labeled 1501-33, thats the dc->dc 3.3v converter
[12:43] <sephail> i'm not sure if the v2.2 board will have it
[12:43] <sephail> although i can't imagine why it wouldn't.
[12:44] <sephail> rezn: just looked up the datasheet, should be able to supply it with anything up to 45V
[12:46] <nx5> sephail a friend of mine has tested the linksys power supply
[12:46] <nx5> he says it gives 15-16v, not 12
[12:46] <sephail> did he test it under the same load conditions as the wrt?
[12:47] <nx5> probbly not
[12:47] <nx5> didn't ask
[12:47] <sephail> yeah, if you just measure it with a multimeter and no load, the voltage will probably be higher than it is under load
[12:47] <sephail> either way, the 1501 is a very efficient regulator, much more so than most linear regulators you'll find in other equipment
[12:48] <rezn> sephail: so like a laptop battery'd work great
[12:48] <nx5> i'll look up a datasheet
[12:48] <sephail> rezn: yep
[12:48] <rezn> excellent
[12:48] <rezn> its too bad it also doesnt have a usb port
[12:49] <sephail> i actually wish they had a parallel port... it'd be nice for interfacing some homebrew projects
[12:49] <sephail> maybe some printserver does that will run linux, haven't really looked around
[12:49] <rezn> i want to interface an ipod (running linux) to it
[12:50] <nx5> sephail what's the complete part # for the 1501?
[12:50] <sephail> 1501-33 is it... but 1501 generically, they come in 3.3v, 5.0v or 12v versions
[12:51] <sephail> http://www.anachip.com/downloads/datasheets/power/sw_reg/AP1501.pdf
[12:51] <nx5> http://www.anachip.com/downloads/datasheets/power/sw_reg/AP1501.pdf
[12:51] <sephail> nx5: like i said, thats only the v1.0 GS that i'm absolutely sure uses it... i can't vouch for other revisions
[12:51] <sephail> (yet)
[12:51] <nx5> ah
[12:52] <nx5> i'll open up mine in a minute
[12:52] <nx5> i'll tell you what it has
[12:52] <sephail> nx5: k its a 5-pin IC in a TO-220 package
[12:52] <nx5> brb
[12:56] <sephail> it looks like the v1.1 GS board has 2 regulators, a 3.3 and 5.0 ... i think the part number is 1509 but i'd have to look closer to be sure, i'll brb in a few mins as well
[12:58] <gr8w11ne> sephail: there appear to be several capacitors before the IC - rated at 25V and 30V
[12:58] <gr8w11ne> so upper limit would be 25V?
[13:01] <nx5_off> 150133
[13:01] <nx5> on a wrt54g v2
[13:09] <sephail> im back
[13:10] <sephail> gr8w11ne: the capacitors are probably there to reduce ripple, if they're before the regulated output, then yes, i wouldn't apply more voltage than the caps can handle, but if they're after the regulated output, what goes in doesn't matter as long as it doesn't exceed what the IC can handle ... i haven't looked at it closely enough
[13:13] <sephail> gr8w11ne: i don't really see any situations where anyone would need to apply more than 24v anyway, so it shouldn't matter. but for battery operation its perfect ... although I can't imagine that it was cheaper for linksys to manufacture it with a switching regulator than a linear
[13:14] <sephail> (which would have been more inefficient for battery usage, but wouldn't necesarally have mattered for an application where it was always plugged in)
[13:16] <sephail> i just wish i could get my damn GS working ;-)
[13:30] <coder> flux capacitor
[13:32] <ardor> I'm sorry but I've been unable to locate the info on how to reflash my wrt54gs router once i have loaded openwrt on there.
[13:32] <ardor> can anyone point me to a link?
[13:33] <stevo_inc> do you know how to use tftp?
[13:33] <ardor> nope.
[13:33] <ardor> i can follow insturtions.
[13:33] <stevo_inc> http://openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Installing
[13:34] <wbx> ardor: you got your router flashed without tftp?
[13:34] <wbx> openvpn --version
[13:34] <wbx> openvpn: can't load library 'libpthread.so.0'
[13:34] <wbx> urgs.
[13:34] <stevo_inc> wbx, you can use the official linksys firmware to upload a new firmware over the web interface (once)
[13:34] <ardor> ya i compilte the upgraded flash file on my linux box
[13:34] <ardor> and then logged into the linksys page and said upgrade firmware
[13:34] <wbx> stevo_inc: this did not work by me...
[13:34] <ardor> and i was set.
[13:35] <stevo_inc> wbx: huh
[13:35] <sephail> stevo_inc: don't recommend doing that.
[13:35] <wbx> eh, forget it. i think my selfcompiled image was broken.
[13:35] <stevo_inc> I never do sephail.
[13:36] <stevo_inc> I was saying it "can" be done.
[13:36] <sephail> ardor: do you have boot_wait set?
[13:36] <sephail> stevo_inc: :)
[13:36] <ardor> no i dont remember setting boot_wait
[13:36] <stevo_inc> though, sephail, I don't think I've figured out how to set boot_wait with the new stock firmwares.
[13:36] <stevo_inc> ardor, can you telnet into your router?
[13:36] <ardor> but i have telnet access into my router and it does have openwrt on it.
[13:36] <ardor> yes.
[13:36] <stevo_inc> good
[13:37] <stevo_inc> run "nvram set boot_wait=on"
[13:37] <ardor> so I'll set the boot_wait
[13:37] <stevo_inc> then "nvram commit"
[13:37] <ardor> and do the tftp thing here.
[13:37] <stevo_inc> yah
[13:37] <ardor> Not sure what set of packages i want to load, So i want to make sure i know how to reflash.
[13:37] <wbx> hmm. ipkg install url does not resolve dependencies?
[13:37] <ardor> I love this Project.
[13:38] <stevo_inc> ehh, ardor, should check with coder (or someone who knows more than me) but the process should be the same for the stock firmware.
[13:38] <sephail> stevo_inc: hrm, it worked fine with the ping.asp trick on 3.37.1
[13:38] <stevo_inc> no way!
[13:38] <sephail> as far as i remember it did
[13:38] Action: stevo_inc just laughs to himself
[13:39] <ardor> I'm going to try and comiple some C programs to run on the wrt54gs.
[13:39] <ardor> now, I'm pretty sure i have to load a enveroment to compile in on my linux box.
[13:39] <ardor> I'll find it.
[13:40] <sephail> ardor: set CC, LD, and if you're using configure, --host (thats assuming you have the buildroot compiled)
[13:40] <ardor> sephail pretty sure i do.
[13:40] <wbx> does anyone use openvpn?
[13:41] <sephail> ardor: you would know :) about 1 gig of storage and quite a long compile time :)
[13:41] <ardor> sephail Ya i do then. =)
[13:41] <sephail> haha
[13:42] <ardor> I remember thinking, WHy does it take forever to download something to load on to a 8 meg memory.
[13:42] <sephail> haha
[13:42] <sephail> i might run to radioshack and pick up a G
[13:43] <sephail> they're having a sale
[13:43] <ardor> ya?
[13:43] <ardor> I'm always looking for deals on addational.
[13:43] <sephail> about 54 bucks and 10 dollar mail-in rebate
[13:43] <sephail> or some such deal
[13:43] <ardor> so 44?
[13:43] <sephail> (i never count on the mailin rebates actually coming - you get them months later if at all)
[13:44] <ardor> 54 - 10 or 64 - 10?
[13:44] <sephail> 54-10 i believe
[13:44] <ardor> I'm going.
[13:44] <sephail> but im not sure if that's chain-wide.
[13:44] <sephail> call first
[13:44] <ardor> i need some telephone stuff anyways, need to check there prices.
[13:45] <ardor> then I'll head to frys adn buy everything there.
[13:45] <sephail> ardor: the web site says 59.99, i recall the store being 54.99
[13:45] <Yosg> I think amazon has it for 57 - 10 rebate
[13:46] <sephail> ardor: bring a list of serial numbers so you know which revision you're getting
[13:46] <ardor> it says on the box...
[13:46] <sephail> v1.0 is obvious, and i dont think you'll find that anymore, v1.1 is CDF2xxx-CDF3xxx, v2.0 is CDF5xxxx, and i'm not sure about v2.2
[13:46] <sephail> ardor: where does it say?
[13:46] <ardor> WRT54GS v 1.1
[13:46] <sephail> ...
[13:46] <ardor> something like that.
[13:46] <ardor> on the last one i got.
[13:46] <sephail> i'm not so sure about that ?
[13:46] <ardor> cuz they had a whole bunch of 1.0
[13:47] <sephail> hmm
[13:47] <ardor> and i keep looking
[13:47] <ardor> keep = kept
[13:47] <ardor> I think it was just by the bar code
[13:47] <sephail> ah, ok, i mailed in the damn barcode :)
[13:47] <sephail> hehe
[13:48] <dnakata> neat, wrt->wrt :)
[13:48] <dnakata> meshing is sweet.
[13:49] <dnakata> is there an existing implementation of client tracking / dynamic routing?
[13:49] <dnakata> ie, handing off a route to a client to another AP?
[13:50] <ardor> sephail: i remember now it was listed on the button of the box. not the front or the back but the buttom.
[13:50] <ardor> on the right
[13:50] <Yosg> Is resolve.conf used for the DNS server address if the wan port is disabled?
[13:50] <ardor> where is this serial number list though?
[13:51] <sephail> ardor: thats good to know, then
[13:51] <sephail> ardor: i grabbed that from linksysinfo.org
[13:52] <sephail> ardor: look for WRT54G/GS Autopsy
[13:52] <dnakata> Yosg, yes, but without a 'wan' of some sort, or an external connection (internet) you will probably be best to edit the resolv.conf
[13:52] <sephail> i have to run out to a job real quick, i'll be back in a few hours
[13:52] <dnakata> because you won't have a method to populate it
[14:27] <Corvette> Does anyone here have Openwrt?
[14:27] <Khisanth-> I would hope so.
[14:28] <Corvette> Ok
[14:28] <Corvette> I put Openwrt on my router
[14:28] <Corvette> and I had HyperWrt before
[14:28] <Corvette> Well
[14:28] <Khisanth-> and you lost your web interface?
[14:28] <Corvette> I didn't know Openwrt didn't have a web interface, it has a Telnet interface
[14:28] <Corvette> and now I would like to switch back to Hyperwrt but don't know how
[14:28] <webmind> Corvette, or ssh
[14:28] <Corvette> I have Win98SE
[14:28] <Corvette> How do I change it?
[14:29] <webmind> there is a web interface btw for openwrt
[14:29] <webmind> although i've never tested it
[14:29] <Khisanth-> Corvette: mtd write linux.trx linux
[14:29] <Corvette> I don't know how to use the telnet interface very well
[14:29] <Corvette> Just type that and it'll put a web interface?
[14:29] <Khisanth-> no.
[14:29] <Khisanth-> you have to get the firmware and extract the 'trx' portion from the bin file.
[14:29] Action: Corvette has a headache
[14:29] <Corvette> How do I do that?
[14:31] <Corvette> ok, so if I have the bin file
[14:31] <Corvette> How do I extract the trx portion
[14:31] <Corvette> bin = firmware. I have that
[14:32] <Khisanth-> Corvette: you should be able to tftp upload the firmware too
[14:32] <Khisanth-> as a .bin file
[14:32] <Corvette> ok, how do I tftp upload it?
[14:32] <Corvette> that's what some sites I read said
[14:32] <Corvette> but I don't know how to do that
[14:32] <Corvette> I have WIn98SE
[14:32] <Corvette> do I need to download something to do it?
[14:33] <Khisanth-> see if win98 has a 'tftp' command
[14:34] <Corvette> no
[14:34] <Corvette> it has an ftp command
[14:35] <Corvette> ok, so say I download some program that can tftp it
[14:35] <Corvette> do I just put tftp it to the router 192.168.1.1
[14:35] <Corvette> and it works?
[14:35] <Corvette> Or do I need to do something to my router
[14:35] <Khisanth-> http://www.tftp-server.com/tftp-client.html
[14:36] <Khisanth-> you should just be able to upload it to your route.
[14:36] <Corvette> thanks
[14:36] <Corvette> Hopefully this would work
[14:36] <Corvette> Ok, I have another question if I get it working
[14:38] <Corvette> ok, I downloaded
[14:38] <Corvette> tftp into Windows\command
[14:39] <Corvette> I extracted HyperWRT_2.0b4_GS.bin to C:\test and then renamed it to Hyperwrt.bin
[14:40] <Corvette> Ok, so I went to dos and typed cd C:\test
[14:41] <Corvette> I typed in HyperWRT_2.0b4_GS.bin
[14:41] <Corvette> Ahh, hold up
[14:41] <Corvette> tftp 192.168.1.1 put hyperwrt.bin
[14:41] <Corvette> Would that work?
[14:41] <Khisanth-> something like that
[14:42] <Corvette> Do I need to transfer it in Ascii mode
[14:42] <Corvette> Or binary
[14:42] <Khisanth-> binary
[14:42] <Corvette> ahh
[14:42] <Corvette> It did it ascii
[14:42] <Corvette> Would it ruin now?
[14:43] <Khisanth-> it'll probably just reject the transfer and not flash
[14:46] <Corvette> Ok, this time I typed
[14:46] <Corvette> tftp -i 192.168.1.1 put hyperwrt.bin
[14:46] <Corvette> Is there something I need to do to make it work
[14:46] <Corvette> Inside the Openwrt firmware (with telnet)?
[14:46] <Khisanth-> try rebooting
[14:46] <Corvette> Just reboot the router
[14:47] <Corvette> Like unplug it and plug it back in?
[14:50] <Wookie_> does anyone run a flow collector like ntop for the rflow prog on the wrt?
[14:54] <Corvette> Well, it didn't work
[14:54] <Corvette> I typed (in dos)
[14:54] <Corvette> tftp -i 192.168.1.1 put hyperwrt.bin
[14:54] <Corvette> it says
[14:54] <Corvette> Transfering file hyperwrt.bin to server in octet mode...
[14:55] <Corvette> Uhm... it freezes and finishes after a while but still the old interface
[14:55] <Corvette> I'm thinking if I have to somehow make the router receive it or something?
[14:55] <nx5> 00:04 <Khisanth-> try rebooting
[14:55] <nx5> type reboot and press enter
[14:55] <Corvette> How do I reboot?
[14:55] <Corvette> I did that
[14:56] <nx5> ahm..
[14:56] <Corvette> uhm... do I reboot and then type that in dos
[14:56] <Corvette> Or just reboot
[14:56] <Corvette> Or do I type that in DOS first, wait, and reboot
[14:56] <nx5> you type that in telnet
[14:56] <Corvette> I know
[14:56] <Corvette> but I mean
[14:56] <nx5> and you'll lose connection to the router while it reboots
[14:56] <Corvette> Step 1
[14:56] <Corvette> Go to dos and type in
[14:56] <Corvette> tftp -i 192.168.1.1 put hyperwrt.bin
[14:56] <Corvette> It says
[14:57] <Corvette> Transfering file hyperwrt.bin to server in octet mode...
[14:57] <Corvette> Step 2: wait to finish
[14:57] <Corvette> Step 3: Go to Telnet and type Reboot
[14:57] <Corvette> Correct?
[14:57] <nx5> i don't know exactly what you're trying to do i just came by
[14:58] <nx5> i only told you how to reboot :/
[14:58] <Corvette> I'm trying to upgrade the firmware on my router
[14:58] <Corvette> I have openwrt on it
[14:58] <Corvette> and I want to change it
[14:58] <Corvette> to Hyperwrt
[14:58] <nx5> ah
[14:58] <Corvette> I have Win98SE
[14:58] <Corvette> I downloaded TFTP
[14:58] <Corvette> and put it in C:\windows\command
[14:59] <Corvette> I extracted the Hyperwrt bin file to C:\test went to dos and went to the C:\test directory
[14:59] <Corvette> Renamed the file to hyperwrt.bin
[14:59] <Corvette> Now how do I put the firmware to my router
[15:00] <nx5> well, i don't even know if openwrt is supposed to be running a tftp server...
[15:00] <Corvette> Ok, well, basically my question is
[15:00] <Corvette> How do I change the firmware on my router
[15:01] <Corvette> To hyperwrt
[15:01] <nx5> http://openwrt.org/OpenWrtFaq#head-e9d1d6a54806a68fe48c16766aef84207101a130
[15:01] <gerdi> 1. check boot_wait=on
[15:01] <gerdi> .. usw
[15:01] <Corvette> How do I check boot_wait=on
[15:02] <nx5> nvram
[15:02] <nx5> nvram get boot_wait
[15:02] <nx5> it should say on or 1 or something like that
[15:02] <gerdi> on
[15:02] <nx5> ok
[15:02] <gerdi> o r1 :P
[15:02] <nx5> now you have to reboot
[15:03] <nx5> and when youm see the power light flashing
[15:03] <nx5> then you use tftp in windows to upload the firmware
[15:03] <Corvette> k thanks
[15:03] <nx5> it'll only accept tftp while the power led is blinking
[15:03] <Corvette> @OpenWrt:/# nvram get boot_wait
[15:03] <Corvette> off
[15:03] <Corvette> It says off
[15:03] <nx5> ah
[15:03] <Corvette> when I type in nvram get boot_wait
[15:03] <nx5> then set it to on
[15:04] <Corvette> ??/
[15:04] <Corvette> set boot_wait on
[15:04] <nx5> nvram set boot_wait=1
[15:04] <Corvette> ?
[15:04] <Corvette> thanks
[15:04] <gerdi> it will reboot automaticly after flashing! (1 min)
[15:04] <Corvette> So I type Reboot
[15:04] <Corvette> and it shoudl reboot
[15:05] <nx5> no
[15:05] <Corvette> then I type those things in DOS to send it
[15:05] <nx5> know type
[15:05] <nx5> nvram commit
[15:05] <nx5> so that nvram is stored
[15:05] <Corvette> @OpenWrt:/# nvram commit
[15:05] <Corvette> nvram_commit(): start
[15:05] <Corvette> nvram_commit(): end
[15:05] <gerdi> ;)
[15:05] <Corvette> K then what?
[15:06] <Corvette> Type reboot to reboot it or what?
[15:06] <nx5> yep
[15:06] <Corvette> Then send the file?
[15:06] <nx5> the power led should flash for 3 seconds
[15:06] <Corvette> tftp -i 192.168.1.1 put hyperwrt.bin
[15:06] <Corvette> (from DOS)
[15:06] <nx5> you have the 3 seconds to send the firmware with tftp
[15:06] <nx5> yep
[15:06] <Corvette> K thanks
[15:09] <fastvette> Ok, it's still under the old firmware
[15:09] <fastvette> Uhm... did I type something wrong in DOS?
[15:10] <nx5> hmm
[15:10] <fastvette> tftp -i 192.168.1.1 put hyperwrt.bin
[15:10] <fastvette> TFTP [-i] [-bBlocksize] [-v] [-tTimeout] [-s] host [GET | PUT] source [destinati
[15:10] <nx5> that's ok
[15:10] <fastvette> on]
[15:11] <nx5> hmm
[15:11] <nx5> have a look at this http://openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Installing#head-f56e06c42cb97a7aace9a5b503d0d288697d98d9
[15:11] <fastvette> Maybe I was supposed to type
[15:11] <fastvette> @OpenWrt:/# nvram get boot_wait=on
[15:12] <fastvette> Since it was off to begin with
[15:12] <nx5> ok, try on but 1 should do
[15:12] <nx5> try on and reboot
[15:13] <nx5> also, your tftp client probably is trying to send at the wrong time
[15:13] <nx5> i mean, you hav to be precise
[15:13] <nx5> or retry constantly
[15:13] <nx5> get another tftp client or set yours to retry constantly
[15:14] <fastvette> Uhm... How do I set mine to retry constantly?
[15:14] <nx5> it says timeout or something after sending?
[15:14] <nx5> i don't know
[15:14] <nx5> make it print hash marks if you can or something so you see it's actually uploading something
[15:14] <fastvette> Do you have a tftp client I should use
[15:14] <fastvette> Like a good one
[15:14] <fastvette> a link to one
[15:14] <fastvette> For DOS
[15:15] <fastvette> maybe the one I downloaded just sux?
[15:15] <nx5> no, i've always used the windows tftp client...
[15:15] <fastvette> What version of windows do you have?
[15:15] <nx5> but i've never used it to upload firmware to the wrt
[15:15] <nx5> i've ued it for other things.. ;)
[15:15] <nx5> windows server 2003 enterprise
[15:15] <nx5> all windows from 2000 have a tftp client
[15:16] <nx5> 2k, xp, 2003
[15:16] <nx5> probably NT too i don't remember though
[15:16] <nx5> but it's a command line client like yours, it's really small
[15:16] <fastvette> can you send me it?
[15:16] <fastvette> is it dos based?
[15:17] <nx5> it's a win32 app
[15:17] <fastvette> My Win98 Doesn't come with one
[15:17] <nx5> i suppose it will run in win98 anyway
[15:17] <fastvette> I had to dl it
[15:17] <fastvette> from a website
[15:17] <fastvette> Can you send me it?
[15:17] <nx5> i'll send you
[15:17] <fastvette> Thanks
[15:18] <nx5> this client says this when it can't send the file: Timeout occurred
[15:18] <nx5> Connect request failed
[15:20] <fastvette> won't run on my computer
[15:20] <fastvette> gives me some error
[15:20] <fastvette> Let me google something
[15:26] <gerdi> the ip from the box is 192.168.1.1 for the tftp
[15:56] <fastvette> ok
[15:56] <fastvette> Well
[15:57] <fastvette> here is the syntax of the dos tftp program I had
[15:57] <fastvette> TFTP [-i] [-bBlocksize] [-v] [-tTimeout] [-s] host [GET | PUT] source [destinati
[15:57] <fastvette> on]
[15:57] <fastvette> Ok, when I put Source
[15:57] <fastvette> I put the file name right?
[15:57] <fastvette> say hyperwrt.bin
[15:58] <fastvette> But what do I put for destination
[15:58] <fastvette> I was thinking 192.168.1.1
[15:58] <fastvette> but then what do I put for host
[15:58] <fastvette> host Specifies the local or remote host.
[15:58] <fastvette> destination Specifies where to transfer the file.
[15:59] <fastvette> What do I put for that?
[15:59] <fastvette> for destination
[16:00] <fastvette> I'm thinking I put
[16:00] <t4> the ip address of the wrt
[16:00] <t4> usually 192.168.1.1
[16:00] <fastvette> tftp -i -v 192.168.1.1 PUT C:\test\hyperwrt.bin
[16:00] <fastvette> Ok, but then what would I put under host?
[16:00] <fastvette> I mean, it makes no sense
[16:00] <fastvette> For Host it says the local or remote host
[16:00] <fastvette> but then for destination it says where to transfer the file
[16:01] <t4> is your network configured to 192.168.1.x ?
[16:01] <fastvette> yeah
[16:01] <fastvette> My IP is 192.168.1.100
[16:01] <fastvette> but I don't think for host it wants my IP address
[16:01] <fastvette> it want to know the IP address of where I'm sending it to
[16:02] <t4> so its tftp.exe -i -v 192.168.1.1 put hyperwrt.bin
[16:27] <Corvette> :(
[16:27] <Corvette> This is useless, nothing seems to work
[16:28] <dnakata> that's terrible
[16:28] <Corvette> I know
[16:28] <dnakata> life is cruel :(
[16:28] <Corvette> tell me about it
[16:29] <dnakata> there's always... y'know... suicide...
[16:29] <dnakata> :(
[16:29] <Corvette> hehe
[16:29] <Corvette> nah, not over a stupid router
[16:29] <Corvette> The options for the tftp program are here
[16:29] <Corvette> http://www.tftp-server.com/tftp-client.html
[16:29] <Corvette> Where it says
[16:30] <Corvette> TFTP client command-line syntax:
[16:30] <Corvette> my question is this
[16:30] <Corvette> TFTP.exe [-i] [-b blocksize] [-v] [-t timeout] [-s] host [GET | PUT] source [destination]
[16:30] <Corvette> Where it says host
[16:30] <Corvette> verses where it says destination
[16:30] <Corvette> what do I put
[16:36] <t4> your tftp client seems braindamaged for its syntax
[16:37] <t4> if you have a knoopix cd around, tftp'ing would be much easier
[16:41] <dnakata> host is the ip of where you want to put/get the file to/from
[16:42] <MoTec> ya, i couldn't find a windows client that worked. a live cd is a good idea
[16:42] <dnakata> source is the 'source' of the file, and 'destination' is the destination of the file
[16:43] <MoTec> worked just fine from my linux box
[16:58] <Corvette> Ok, how do I put a GUI on my Openwrt using Wrt54Gs
[16:59] <Corvette> Since now I'm stuck without a firewall
[16:59] <Corvette> Does anyone know how to put a GUI for my Openwrt with Wrt54GS
[17:13] <Corvette> Hey, the site said I can pull it out of an http server
[17:14] <Corvette> uhm... May someone please help me with this
[17:14] <Corvette> How would I pull it out of my http server
[17:14] <Corvette> http://openwrt.org/OpenWrtFaq#head-e9d1d6a54806a68fe48c16766aef84207101a130
[17:16] <HiTek> is there a way i can turn my wrt54g into a hotspot?
[17:22] <fastvette> YES, I FINALLY GOT MY OLD FIRMWARE BACK!!!
[17:22] <fastvette> THANKS EVERYONE
[17:22] <fastvette> (and THANK GOD)
[17:22] <fastvette> This site told me how to go back to the default firmware that LInksys comes with
[17:22] <fastvette> http://lairds.org/Kyler/Linux/OpenWRT/WRT54G_2.02.8_US_code_BETA.trx
[17:22] <fastvette> Go to the telnet interface and type
[17:22] <fastvette> wget -O /tmp/linux.trx http://lairds.org/Kyler/Linux/OpenWRT/WRT54G_2.02.8_US_code_BETA.t
[17:22] <fastvette> mtd write /tmp/linux.trx linux && reboot
[17:22] <fastvette> AND IT WORKED!!!!
[17:23] <HiTek> congrats
[17:23] <fastvette> Thanks
[17:23] <fastvette> :)
[17:24] <fastvette> Weird how it remembered my old settings. Even my old pw.
[17:26] <y354C> Now, leave OpenWRT and never return to it again.
[17:27] <fastvette> http://openwrt.org/OpenWrtFaq#head-e9d1d6a54806a68fe48c16766aef84207101a130
[17:27] <fastvette> That page sorry
[17:28] <fastvette> hehe
[17:40] <HiTek> is there a way i can turn my wrt54g into a hotspot?
[17:41] <y354C> Hmm.
[17:42] <y354C> People who are new to the channel shouldn't be allowed to give advice.
[17:50] <Corvette> Whoa, this is strange
[17:50] <Corvette> Ok, after upgrading my Wrt54GS
[17:50] <Corvette> Or not upgrading it
[17:50] <Corvette> but putting the firmware from that site
[17:50] <Corvette> It put Wrt54G firmware on there (not GS)
[17:50] <Corvette> So
[17:51] <Corvette> When I tried to put the Wrt54GS firmware on there it won't accept it
[17:51] <Corvette> then when I tr to put newer Wrt54G firmware on there it works fine
[17:51] <Corvette> (I had to download the Wrt54G firmware because I didn't have it on my comp because I had Wrt54GS firmware)
[17:51] <Corvette> How do I fix it?
[17:52] <Corvette> I want to re force the Wrt54GS firmware back on there
[17:52] <y354C> What firmware do you have now?
[17:53] <Corvette> Wrt54G firmware
[17:53] <Corvette> My router is a Wrt54GS
[17:54] <y354C> What version?
[17:54] <Corvette> Hold up
[17:54] <Corvette> Firmware Version: v3.01.3 - HyperWRT 2.0b4
[17:54] <Corvette> I can change it to any Wrt54G firmware
[17:54] <Corvette> but can't change from Wrt54g to Wrt54gs
[17:55] <Corvette> (weird how the firmware is EXACTLY the same, it's in the firmware that tells whether or not to upgrade)
[17:55] <Corvette> Do you think if I went back to openwrt and made my own ftp server with the hyperwrt firmware it would work?
[17:56] <y354C> No.
[17:56] <Corvette> ok, so what's your suggestion of how to fix it?
[17:56] <Corvette> I mean http server
[17:56] <Corvette> not ftp
[17:56] <y354C> What mechanism are you using to upload the image?
[17:56] <Corvette> The one that it comes with
[17:56] <Corvette> Firmware upgrade
[17:56] <Corvette> in the 192.1
[17:56] <Corvette> in the 192.168.1.1 interface
[17:57] <y354C> Hmm.
[17:57] <y354C> You know there really isn't any difference between the G and the GS, right?
[17:57] <Corvette> Not in the hardware, except GS has more memory
[17:57] <Corvette> otherwise they're exactly the same
[17:58] <Corvette> But the firmware is kinda different
[17:58] <Corvette> But GS firmware can run on G
[17:58] <y354C> The GS has more flash.
[17:58] <Corvette> (if it's small enough)
[17:58] <Corvette> and vise versa (well I know G can run on GS not sure if GS can run on G)
[17:58] <Corvette> exactly
[17:58] <Corvette> Is there another mechanism I can upgrade it
[17:58] <Corvette> Like tftp
[17:59] <Corvette> because my router is now literally a wrt54g when it's supposed to be a wrt54gs
[17:59] <y354C> CFE tftp has a size limit.
[17:59] <Corvette> what's that?
[18:00] <y354C> I think around 3MB.
[18:00] <y354C> In any case, the most recent firmware from Linksys is too large for it.
[18:01] <Yosg> Does anyone know how picky dropbear is in regards to clients?
[18:01] <y354C> I'm not sure how big the HyperWRT image is.
[18:02] <Corvette> Not for the wrt54gs
[18:02] <Corvette> because that's what it's for
[18:03] <y354C> Yes, but it's too large for CFE tftp.
[18:03] <y354C> You'd have to upload the image and write the .trx
[18:03] <y354C> What was the error you were getting?
[18:06] <Corvette> "Upgrade are failed."
[18:06] <Corvette> Terrible grammar
[18:06] <y354C> Haha.
[18:06] <Corvette> Well is trx = bin
[18:06] <y354C> I guess you could give CFe tftp a shot.
[18:06] <y354C> No.
[18:06] <Corvette> how do I convert it?
[18:07] <Corvette> http://lairds.org/Kyler/Linux/OpenWRT/
[18:07] <Corvette> This page has the trx for Wrt54G
[18:07] <Corvette> but not for Wrt54gs
[18:07] <y354C> bin is a trx with a header in front/
[18:07] <Corvette> if it had one for Wrt54gs I would have no problems
[18:07] <Corvette> ok, so can I hex edit it and take off the header
[18:07] <y354C> You're trying to flash OpenWRT again?
[18:07] <Corvette> No
[18:07] <Corvette> It's wrt54g
[18:07] <Corvette> when it's REALLY a wrt54gs
[18:07] <Corvette> but the firmware on it is wrt54g
[18:07] <y354C> WTf.
[18:08] <Corvette> Yeah
[18:08] <Corvette> I'm not joking
[18:08] <y354C> What firmware are you trying to flash?
[18:08] <Corvette> I'm trying to put back my Wrt54gs firmware on my router
[18:08] <Corvette> but it won't let me
[18:08] <Corvette> Because it thinks it's a wrt54g
[18:08] <Corvette> see, the two are EXACTLy the same, the only difference are the flash size and the firmware
[18:09] <y354C> So then why are you trying to flash OpenWRT?
[18:09] <Corvette> Well, somehow Wrt54G firmware got on my router and it won't let me put Wrt54gs on it because it thinks my router is a wrt54g
[18:09] <Corvette> Oh
[18:09] <Corvette> because openwrt lets me flash Trx files
[18:09] <Corvette> from an http server
[18:09] <Corvette> (which I can make my own)
[18:10] <Corvette> I wonder how I can convert it
[18:10] <y354C> And before when I asked you what method you were trying to use to flash, and you said, "the one it comes with," you were referring to what, exactly?
[18:10] <Corvette> Ok, look
[18:10] <Corvette> First I put Openwrt on it
[18:10] <Corvette> Found out it had no GUI
[18:11] <y354C> Because you neglected to say what firmware was currently on it.
[18:11] <Corvette> so I read the page and typed this in the Telnet
[18:11] <Corvette> wget -O /tmp/linux.trx http://lairds.org/Kyler/Linux/OpenWRT/WRT54G_2.02.8_US_code_BETA.trx
[18:11] <Corvette> mtd write /tmp/linux.trx linux && reboot
[18:11] <Corvette> That put the Wrt54G firmware on it
[18:11] <Yosg> Does anyone use SSH Secure Shell to connect to dropbear?
[18:11] <Corvette> Which is located at http://lairds.org/Kyler/Linux/OpenWRT/
[18:11] <y354C> Okay, stop referring to it as "the Wrt54G firmware"
[18:12] <Corvette> k
[18:12] <y354C> That's too vague.
[18:12] <Corvette> k, what shall I call it
[18:12] <y354C> Ditribution/version
[18:12] <Corvette> Ok
[18:12] <Corvette> well now I want to put back the Wrt54gs version on my router
[18:12] <Corvette> but the version that's currently on my router won't allow me to
[18:13] <Corvette> and I don't see a trx file for wrt54gs
[18:13] <Dreamer3> Corvette: that's quite a predicament
[18:13] <y354C> You're still talking about HyperWRt, right?
[18:13] <Corvette> Yeah
[18:13] <Corvette> Well I upgraded from the Wrt54g Version to the Hyperwrt54g version
[18:14] <Corvette> Tell me about it Dreamer3
[18:14] <Corvette> What a headache
[18:14] <y354C> Did you try flashing via tftp?
[18:14] <Corvette> when I had Openwrt you mean?
[18:14] <y354C> No.
[18:14] <y354C> I mean now.
[18:14] <Corvette> No
[18:14] <y354C> To get the firmware you want on it.
[18:15] <Corvette> Ok, how would I do that
[18:15] <y354C> (which I still don't completely understand why you want to do)
[18:15] <Corvette> because I want back the firmware it's supposed to have
[18:15] <y354C> I'll take that to mean that you want the page to say "GS" instead of just "G"
[18:16] <Corvette> yep
[18:16] <Corvette> Gs supports "speedbooster"
[18:16] <Corvette> whatever that means
[18:16] <Corvette> G doesn't
[18:16] <Corvette> (though I'm sure it can)
[18:16] <y354C> They both use the same drivers.
[18:17] <y354C> http://www.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Installing
[18:17] <y354C> Did you follow the directions on there?
[18:17] <Corvette> Yeah
[18:17] <y354C> Only substituing the OpenWRT image with whatever it is you're trying to flash.
[18:18] <Corvette> I tried set boot_wait=on
[18:18] <Corvette> and set (uhm, there was this thing before boot_wait that started with an n) boot_wait=on
[18:19] <Corvette> Then I tried using that ftp thing to do it
[18:19] <y354C> nvram commit?
[18:19] <Corvette> tftp
[18:19] <Corvette> Yeah, nvram
[18:19] <Corvette> I tried set nvram boot_wait=on
[18:20] <Corvette> and I tried set boot_wait=on
[18:20] <Corvette> someone also told me to try nvram commit
[18:20] <Corvette> and it still didn't wokr
[18:20] <Corvette> work
[18:20] <Corvette> (well I rebooted the router)
[18:20] <Corvette> (and then tried to do the tftp in dos
[18:20] <Corvette> )
[18:20] <Corvette> No luck
[18:21] <Corvette> I think it's something wrong with my tftp program that I downloaded
[18:21] <y354C> Did you configure the interface on your pc to be in the same subnet?
[18:22] <Corvette> uhm... how do I do that?
[18:22] <Corvette> It's a dos program that I downloaded that someone gave me a link to
[18:23] <y354C> No, I mean the interface of your ethernet card.
[18:23] <Corvette> Got it from here
[18:23] <Corvette> http://www.tftp-server.com/tftp-client.html
[18:24] <Corvette> how do I do that?
[18:24] <Corvette> Like do I make the IP address the same
[18:24] <Corvette> My comp IP address is
[18:24] <Corvette> 192.168.1.100
[18:24] <Corvette> While my router is 192.168.1.1
[18:24] <Corvette> Is that a problem?
[18:25] <y354C> Shouldn't be.
[18:25] <y354C> Do you have a shell on the router?
[18:25] <Corvette> no
[18:25] <y354C> Okay then we'll just assume you set boot_wait correctly.
[18:26] <Corvette> I want to know how to convert a bin file to a trx file or whatever it is
[18:26] <Corvette> yeah, I think the problem is with the dos program
[18:26] <y354C> I'm telling you not to go that route.
[18:26] <y354C> 19:47:43 <Corvette> TFTP.exe [-i] [-b blocksize] [-v] [-t timeout] [-s] host [GET | PUT] source [destination]
[18:26] <Corvette> that's a bad site?
[18:26] <Corvette> I mean file
[18:26] <Corvette> tftp
[18:26] <Corvette> Yeah, I know, I read the options
[18:27] <Corvette> I did tftp -i -v 192.168.1.1 Put hyperwrt.bin
[18:27] <y354C> host is the ip address of where you're trying to send it to, source is the name of the file, and destination is what you want the filename to be saved as at the destination
[18:27] <Corvette> (I renamed it to hyperwrt.bin
[18:27] <Corvette> )
[18:27] <Corvette> Oh
[18:27] <Corvette> That's where I went wrong
[18:27] <Corvette> Uhm.....
[18:27] <y354C> destination is in brackets which means that it's optional.
[18:27] <Corvette> Ok, so what do I want it to be saved as
[18:27] <Corvette> Yeah, I figure
[18:27] <Corvette> so I skipped it
[18:27] <y354C> Which means that you should just leave it blank.
[18:27] <Corvette> did
[18:28] <y354C> Hmm.
[18:28] <Corvette> I wonder if I can use the same method to flash my router with this version
[18:28] <Corvette> I hear there is a loophole
[18:28] <y354C> First unplug your router.
[18:28] <Corvette> if I reset it or something
[18:28] <Dreamer3> is openwrt and others using the full linux kernel or uclinux?
[18:28] <y354C> Then type that command in dois, but don't hit enter yet.
[18:29] <y354C> 'DOS'
[18:29] <Corvette> Let me ask you, does the name matter
[18:29] <y354C> Then plug in your router, and literally like one second later, hit enter to enter the command in DOS.
[18:29] <Corvette> because I rename it to hyperwrt from it's original name
[18:29] <Corvette> because it's easier to type
[18:29] <y354C> No.
[18:29] <Corvette> K thanks
[18:29] <Corvette> BTW, I really appreciate your help
[18:29] <y354C> Dreamer3: Full.
[18:29] <Corvette> Thanks so much (that goes to everyone else who tried to help me as well)
[18:30] <Dreamer3> y354C: thanks, i thought so
[18:33] <y354C> http://sipath.sourceforge.net/
[18:33] <y354C> I didn't know we had logo stickers.
[18:33] <Corvette> No luck
[18:33] <Corvette> Uhm....
[18:35] <Corvette> it says invalid password now
[18:35] <Corvette> hehe
[18:41] <y354C> That means you're waiting too long to hit enter.
[18:41] <y354C> Or you didn't set boot_wait correctly.
[18:41] <y354C> Wtf.
[18:42] <y354C> HyperWRT had a telnetd listed in its feature list.
[18:42] <y354C> You should be able to telnet in to a shell.
[18:49] <fastvette> It didn't work
[18:49] <fastvette> But anywho
[18:49] <fastvette> In the wrt54g (hyperwrt) there is a command shell
[18:49] <fastvette> Can that be of any help?
[18:50] <y354C> Yes.
[18:50] <y354C> type "nvram get boot_wait"
[19:04] <fastvette> nvram: not found
[19:04] <fastvette> I typed
[19:04] <fastvette> Set boot_wait=on
[19:04] <fastvette> and it didn't do anything
[19:04] <fastvette> let me try again
[19:09] <y354C> WTf?
[19:09] <y354C> HyperWRT doesn't have the nvram command?
[19:11] <y354C> Hmm.
[19:11] <y354C> It'd be funny if someone went into #linuxhelp.
[19:12] <y354C> And was like, "I'm trying to setup networking on my Suse box. I typed "nvram set lan_ifname=eth0" and nothing happenned.
[19:12] <HiTek> is there a way i can turn my wrt54g into a hotspot?
[19:14] <whaq> HiTek: set it on fire, dude.
[19:18] <HiTek> lol
[19:18] <HiTek> :P
[19:19] <whaq> look up captive portal, chillispot, nocat(splash)
[19:20] <HiTek> thank you very much
[19:20] <HiTek> :)
[19:21] <whaq> update us on your progress..
[19:21] <HiTek> ok will do
[19:45] <Corvette> Does anyone know how I can put Wrt54gs firmware on my router
[19:46] <Corvette> It currently has Wrt54g firmware
[19:48] <Corvette> When I put tftp -i -v 192.168.1.1 put hyperwrt.bin
[19:48] <Corvette> It says Invalid Password !!
[19:48] <Corvette> How do I disable that?
[19:52] <y354C> I already told you.
[19:53] <y354C> 21:58:39 <y354C> That means you're waiting too long to hit enter.
[19:53] <y354C> 21:58:49 <y354C> Or you didn't set boot_wait correctly.
[19:57] <y354C> Are you from Irvine, CA?
[20:04] <gr8w11ne> Corvette: what operating system are you using to run tftp?
[20:05] <Corvette> N/m, I fixed it
[20:05] <Corvette> thanks
[20:05] <Corvette> I just made a trx file
[20:05] <Corvette> by taking the bin and deleting 32 characters
[20:05] <Corvette> and then uploaded it via openwrt
[20:05] <Corvette> and an http server
[20:05] <Corvette> Thanks
[20:05] <Corvette> Works fine
[20:07] <gr8w11ne> yeah, well give y354C a medal for over two hours of support time
[20:08] <Corvette> Thanks so much everyone
[20:08] Action: Corvette pats everyone in the back
[20:08] <Corvette> Thanks y354C and gr8w11ne
[20:08] <Corvette> and everyone else
[20:10] <Corvette> That's cool because now I know how to switch between Wrt54g firmware and Wrt54GS firmware
[20:10] <Corvette> I also know how to screw up my router
[20:11] <Corvette> There should be a physical way I can always upgrade the firmware on the router
[20:12] <Corvette> Thus making it impossible for anyone to make the router unusable (without physically damaging it)
[20:12] <Corvette> Ex: By putting firmware that might damage it
[20:12] <Corvette> and not let it upgrade
[20:15] <Corvette> What are the two Ftp ports
[20:15] <Corvette> 20 and 21
[20:15] <Corvette> ?
[20:20] <Corvette> Ok, now let me start from the beginning
[20:21] <Corvette> Originally I signed up for an Ipv6 account at www.hexago.org
[20:22] <Corvette> I have Win98SE
[20:22] <Corvette> and the thing said I need to download some program
[20:22] <Corvette> But they have a program for Win2000 and WinXP
[20:22] <Corvette> but None for Win98SE
[20:23] <Corvette> I have Firmware Version: v3.37.2 - HyperWRT 2.0b4
[20:24] <Corvette> and am wondering if there is a setting or feature in it that will allow Ipv6 to work?
[20:24] <Corvette> It has options such as auto config DHCP
[20:24] <Corvette> Static IP
[20:25] <Corvette> PPPoE
[20:25] <Corvette> PPTP
[20:25] <Corvette> L2TP and Telstra Cable
[20:25] <Corvette> anyone know if I can use it to log into my IPV6 account?
[20:27] <t4> with openwrt, possibly
[20:28] <y354C> rofl
[20:29] <Corvette> yeah, that's the thing
[20:30] <Corvette> I read somewhere that Openwrt supports IPv6
[20:30] <Corvette> Which is why I downloaded it to try it
[20:30] <Corvette> (thus getting me in this huge mess)
[20:30] <Corvette> but no one knows of a way I can user my hexago Ipv6 account using Win98SE or my router?
[20:31] <Corvette> use *
[20:45] <Corvette> I hear Sveasoft supports IPV6
[20:45] <Corvette> Would that let me log into my IPv6 account?
[21:21] <[mbm]> .
[21:32] <Dreamer3> anyone using ruby on a wrtg?
[22:12] <Wookie_> hi, looking for some info on ntop and rflow for the wrt
[22:16] <[mbm]> Wookie_: did you check the package tracker?
[22:20] <evablunted> fasd
[22:21] <[mbm]> rqwe
[22:21] <evablunted> i give up on this openwart business. i think i will try alchemy now.
[22:21] <[mbm]> openwrt sucks
[22:21] <[mbm]> they make you think too much
[22:21] <evablunted> the problem at this stage is still the lack of documentation. apart from that, i think it could be quite cool.
[22:22] <evablunted> atleast if there is no documentation, a web frontend would be nice.
[22:22] <solar> damn thinking
[22:22] <[mbm]> actually the problem is too much documentation
[22:22] <[mbm]> you're actually required to read it all to understand the system
[22:22] Action: solar thinks mbm is a really great documenter
[22:23] <[mbm]> and just when you think you've read all the documentation someone directs you to one of those really long forum posts
[22:23] <evablunted> it's just a pity there is not perl for this thing. even if there was, it would probably be too big. then i could develop a front end for it. it's a pity i can't program in c too. that would work nicely...
[22:24] Action: evablunted wiping tears of his eyes. sad to part with such a potentially powerful firmware
[22:24] Action: [mbm] watchies evablunted's quivering lip .. *sob*
[22:25] <[mbm]> evablunted: guess this means openwrt won't be getting yoru $20?
[22:27] <[mbm]> ohwell; would have bumped me to a higher tax bracket anyways ...
[22:29] <evablunted> not at this stage... i think i will go and give it to those assholes at sveasoft
[22:31] <evablunted> problem is i need to get something working for a client of mine ASAP. minimum required is wifi, broadband router, firewall and pptp server on the same box. i could install a pc with all the above, but it's more expensive.
[22:31] <solar> you can do that
[22:32] <[mbm]> if it's for a client I'd honestly say spend some time and do it right with a PC then trying to get one of the firmwares to do it
[22:33] <evablunted> i don't think the pc route will be a wise one.
[22:33] <[mbm]> doesn't really sound like you've thought about it much if you're only now comming to terms with the problem
[22:33] <[mbm]> pc is upgradable, router isn't
[22:34] <evablunted> considering that for an entry level pc i will pay something like $350 in this country.
[22:34] <evablunted> and on top of that, this pptp connection will be used by one person.
[22:35] <evablunted> so why not spend $120 on the linksys with the sveasoft firmware and get the job done and completed by the end of today.
[22:35] <[mbm]> just wondering - you accepted the client before you investigated the solutions?
[22:36] Action: evablunted puking after mentioning the words sveasoft
[22:37] <evablunted> old client of mine. wanted to get something going asap before he goes to the usa on friday. kinda in a rush to get this going asap.
[22:39] <evablunted> i won't even be getting paid for this rubish.
[22:39] <evablunted> just for the router, which the client already has...
[22:40] <evablunted> the things we do to please these mother !@#$@!
[22:48] <Wookie_> [mbm], where is it located?
[22:58] <[mbm]> Wookie_: read the fine print on the package page
[23:28] <wbx_> [mbm]: do you plan to get the whole image on jffs2, instead of using sqashfs?
[23:30] <coder> yes, it is planned
[23:30] <coder> please get used to ask openly not just to [mbm]
[23:32] <wbx_> okay. sorry. yesterday someone said only mbm is working on this
[23:34] <coder> true, but imagine how annoying can be to read tons of queries per day
[23:36] <wbx> is there any discussion about in the forum? i did not find anything
[23:40] <Kaloz> morning
[23:43] <wbx> the reason I ask, I would like to help. a little communication about, how to do it would be cool. i am really new to openwrt.
[23:57] <y354C> Hi.
[23:57] <y354C> Hmm.
[23:59] <whaq_> Hi.
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