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[00:01] <dopez> lol
[00:04] <J4k3> was the WHR-HP-G54 the one with two minipci slots?
[00:05] <hobbs> J4k3: no
[00:07] <J4k3> darn
[00:09] <Bartman007> J4k3: it was the WZR, and one of them contains an amp
[00:10] <J4k3> yeah
[00:10] <J4k3> "amp" hah ;)
[00:11] <J4k3> I'ma get some WHR-G54S's
[00:11] <J4k3> for close-in folks
[00:11] <hobbs> J4k3: they're nice
[00:11] <J4k3> now that nbd has broadcom's driver acting properly...
[00:12] <hobbs> J4k3: I've got two. Plus a WHR-HP-G54 that I bricked (but it acted identical to the non-HP ones anyway)
[00:12] <J4k3> cool :)
[00:12] <Bartman007> hobbs: the G54S is a higher quality device.
[00:12] <hobbs> Bartman007: yeah, so I've seen
[00:13] <hobbs> Bartman007: and it also costs $25-30 less :)
[00:13] <J4k3> ah
[00:13] <J4k3> what voltage is the wall transformer?
[00:13] <J4k3> 5v or 12v?
[00:13] Action: J4k3 hopes 12
[00:13] <J4k3> 5v POE is a PITA.
[00:13] <hobbs> J4k3: you won't be happy, then. It's 3.3
[00:14] <J4k3> ickyickypoo
[00:14] <Dabian> About POE .. a question I never found answer to on the net. Will POE blow fuses or worse in "ordinary" network stuff?
[00:14] <J4k3> shitfire, that almost makes the wrt54gl cheaper :|
[00:14] <J4k3> Dabian: usually the POE pins are shorted on "regular" gear
[00:15] <Dabian> J4k3 : Meaning you will blow the transformer of the POE thingy?
[00:15] <J4k3> if your POE adapters are properly made with polyfuses, all that will happen is the polyfuse stays in its overload state.
[00:15] <Dabian> short circuit even?
[00:15] <Bartman007> J4k3: just do 12V POE over a long distance, and let DC voltage drop take care of the conversion :-)
[00:15] <J4k3> good POE adapters use polyfuses, the coolest devices on earth
[00:15] <J4k3> Bartman007: haha not accurate enough ;)
[00:15] <Bartman007> drop a 3.3V reg at the router end?
[00:15] Action: J4k3 used to make switching dc/dc adapters for his Toshiba WRC1000's
[00:16] <J4k3> 7805's simply generated too much heat
[00:16] <J4k3> and would drop out under load
[00:16] <Dabian> So .. there is no way you can mix POE and "regular" equipment?
[00:16] <hobbs> Dabian: what do you mean mix? It's not like you put more than one device at the end of a cable :)
[00:17] <Dabian> hobbs : Well, like putting POE in a regular switch with several devices, where some use POE and some does not.
[00:17] <J4k3> Dabian: you break the POE pairs out, and put a connector on them ;)
[00:17] <Dabian> ?
[00:17] <J4k3> Dabian: all the methods I've seen with that did intelligent monitoring of the POE on each port. Basically if it was a non-POE device it detected it and turned the port off.
[00:18] <Dabian> Oh .. so POE is in the switch?
[00:18] <J4k3> poe is just electricity over the two unused pairs in the cat5 cable
[00:18] <Dabian> Oh .. so gigabit + POE is a big NoNo?
[00:18] <[mbm]> there's a poe standard, 802.3af .. it's not simply running voltage
[00:18] <J4k3> yep
[00:19] <Dabian> (cat6, iirc)
[00:19] <J4k3> [mbm]: yeah, that runs Dc on the same pins as the ethernet... its just a capacitor trick
[00:19] <[mbm]> J4k3: there's a protocol involved so you don't try to power a non poe device
[00:20] <[mbm]> meaning don't confuse the homebrew 'splice a power cable into cat5' with actual 802.3af
[00:22] <J4k3> yeah
[00:23] <J4k3> but 802.3af isn't really required unless your network wiring already uses the 'spare' pairs for something else
[00:23] <Dabian> like telephone?
[00:24] <[mbm]> J4k3: for home use no, but for larger deployments you want to have standard poe so you don't worry about sending the wrong voltage
[00:27] <Dabian> J4k3 : Unless I am mistaken, the US-Americans (esp. universities) tend to use the spare pair for packet switched telephone networks?
[00:27] <Dabian> (Or whatever PSTN is an abbrev. for)
[00:28] Action: [mbm] has seen some universities run ethernet over spare telephone wiring .. (no, it wasn't pretty)
[00:28] <Bartman007> [mbm]: that's how the company I work at was wired before I got here
[00:28] <hobbs> Dabian: P = public, definitely not packet :)
[00:28] <Dabian> right
[00:29] <Dabian> I thought packet was wrong :)
[00:29] <Bartman007> some was phone cable and some was "network" cable that failed to meet cat3 standards.
[00:29] <Dabian> [mbm]: Never the less .. thats how twisted pair came to host ethernet, IIRC.
[00:29] <h3sp4wn> Cat3 networking uses phone type wiring things
[00:30] <Bartman007> pulled cat6 into every office, and now it runs quite well.
[00:30] <h3sp4wn> the boards anyway
[00:31] <J4k3> Dabian: yeah, lots of old offices use the two spare pairs for PSTN (public service telephone network) or what I call POTS (Plain Old Telephone Service)
[00:31] <J4k3> also seen ISDN ran with ethernet, but ISDN was so rare in the USA..
[00:31] <sCi_Fi> hey, just wanted to ask what you guys thought of the linksys WRTSL54GS vs the asus wl-500g deluxe. cant decide between the two?
[00:33] <Dabian> About ethernet on phone-cabling: "Hmm .. wiring thick or thin ethernet here might be kinda expensive and we don't really need that much speed ... I wonder what we can pull from them twisted ole phone-cables over there ... that sure would give us some connectivity ... like the infrastructure is already there."
[00:33] <Dabian> sCi_Fi : I am happy with the wl500gd .. whats in favour of the wrtsl54gs? (I don't know the latter box)
[00:34] <cato> has anybody tried to run openwrt on a siemens c2-010-i?
[00:34] <cato> http://www.siemens.ch/index.jsp?sdc_p=ft4ml0su1260o1313949ni1236478pc175z3&sdc_sid=18928201731&
[00:34] <Dabian> cato : possibly
[00:34] <b_d_p> weirdest thing... i can read any page on the wiki except: http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Configuration al i get is a blank page
[00:34] <sCi_Fi> specs and price pretty seem to be the same
[00:34] <sCi_Fi> ive rread that the asus has really slow read/write speeds to networked drives?
[00:35] <Dabian> sCi_Fi : Then I would go with the wl500gd .. since it had more testing..
[00:35] <Bartman007> sCi_Fi: the wrtsl54gs compares to the wl500gP (the wl500gd has been eol'd) The 500gP and sl54gs are nearly identical devices, except the wl500gd has a detachable antenna, whereas the wrtsl54gs does not
[00:36] <Bartman007> both the wrtsl54gs and wl500gP are faster and have more ram/flash than the wl500gd
[00:37] <sCi_Fi> eol'd? I also thought that the wl500gp w2asnt as widely supported as the gd?
[00:37] <Bartman007> the wl500gP is the replacement for the wl500gd
[00:38] <h3sp4wn> Hopefully I will no longer need my wl500gd
[00:38] <Bartman007> the gP does require some minor modifications in RC5, but it is a better device.
[00:38] <Bartman007> h3sp4wn: if you want, you can give it to me :-)
[00:39] <h3sp4wn> Bartman007: Do you particularly want one ?
[00:39] <sCi_Fi> what do you think of the linksys?
[00:39] <Bartman007> I like devices with usb for audio streaming purposes :-)
[00:39] <sCi_Fi> heard bad things about the radio
[00:40] <Bartman007> the wrtsl54gs and wl500gP are most likely based on the same reference board....
[00:41] <raz0_> Bartman007, Not more RAM. Both g-deluxe and gP have 32Meg.
[00:41] <Bartman007> raz0_: oops. maybe I was thinking of stock utilization; doesn't the wl500gd only use 16MB out of the box?
[00:42] <Dabian> h3sp4wn: Please ship it to [mbm] !!
[00:42] <raz0_> Bartman007, I don't know about stock firmware, but it certainly uses 32 with openwrt
[00:42] <Dabian> Bartman007 32MB.
[00:42] <raz0_> the gP only has 16Meg available with stable openwrt without modification
[00:43] <raz0_> but a little tweakage fixes that
[00:43] <Dabian> tweakage is tiresome though .. esp. during reinstallations.
[00:43] <sCi_Fi> does anyone use a wl500gd/p with a usb hd connected to it. if so how is the performance?
[00:44] <Dabian> sCi_Fi : I guess its safe to say that a genuine full fledged raid fileserver from Sun Micro Systems might perform a tad better..
[00:44] <Bartman007> Dabian: stuff like that becomes trivial if you roll your own images
[00:44] <raz0_> sCi_Fi, I haven't tried my self, but it's pretty poor. 2MB/s or so.
[00:44] <Dabian> Bartman007 : Probably
[00:45] <cato> sCi_Fi: have a deluxe with hdd. but use it seldom, but its slow
[00:45] <Dabian> Bartman007 : I mean .. yes :)
[00:45] <raz0_> sCi_Fi, And the WL-700gE is only slightly faster, which is a joke.
[00:45] <Dabian> cato : Not exactly slow .. but not fast either.
[00:45] <Bartman007> raz0_: what does the 700gE hit?
[00:45] <sCi_Fi> ahh so what would you guys recomend then hehe
[00:46] <Dabian> sCi_Fi : Depends on your use..
[00:46] <cato> PC with a Pentium 4 ;)
[00:46] <Dabian> sCi_Fi : Are you going to run a google competer on your wrt?
[00:46] <Bartman007> sCi_Fi: if you want high speed fileserving, pick up an old/cheap pc to use
[00:46] <Dabian> cato: Bah .. quadro opteron board from Tyan ..
[00:46] <raz0_> Bartman007, What do you mean? The performance? I think it's in the 3-4 MB/s, depending on the way you benchmark it. Real-life performance is probably closer to 3.
[00:46] <Bartman007> cato: any have 20x the power consumption of a wrt?
[00:47] <h3sp4wn> Bartman007: Once I have the gateway working properly and I not using broadcom radios at all - I would sell it to you cheap (Probably get myself another WGT634U to mess around with)
[00:47] <Bartman007> s/any/and/
[00:47] <h3sp4wn> Bartman007: They are hard to get now I think right ?
[00:47] <raz0_> Bartman007, You might want to visit the wl-700ge forums to get the exact numbers. ^^^
[00:47] <Bartman007> h3sp4wn: that's what I'm debating too, I'll probably just get another wgt since it wouldn't be much more..
[00:47] <sCi_Fi> basically just looking for the better one compatibility/performance wise
[00:48] <Dabian> sCi_Fi : Would you happen to be running something that would need the bandwidth / load of a wArEzSErVeR?
[00:48] <Bartman007> raz0_: that sounds about right considering the processor speed increase.
[00:48] <sCi_Fi> nah
[00:48] <cato> das läuft dann aber bestimmt nicht unter mipsel
[00:48] <cato> arg
[00:48] <sCi_Fi> just like options is all
[00:48] <h3sp4wn> Bartman007: Well if you do want it I would be happy to send it to you (seen as you are sending me the gateway)
[00:48] <Dabian> sCi_Fi : In other words .. you don't know. :-)
[00:49] <raz0_> sCi_Fi, For the most bang-for-the-buck and still having low power consumption and hackability (TM), I'd get a seperate NAS device
[00:49] <Dabian> sCi_Fi : Then consider the economical cost, and decide if the options is worth the buck. ;-)
[00:49] <raz0_> like a Linkstation from Buffulo.
[00:49] <raz0_> Buffalo*
[00:49] <h3sp4wn> kurobox would be nicer (uboot runs on it now)
[00:49] <Bartman007> h3sp4wn: I may possibly want it. I feel kinda bad putting my only wgt to use streaming music to my workshop in the garage.
[00:50] <raz0_> h3sp4wn, Uboot is on the way for Linkstation too.
[00:50] <raz0_> Shouldn't take long - the devices are very similar, obviously.
[00:50] <h3sp4wn> Bartman007: I will ask you when I am no longer using it (i.e when kaloz commits the lan driver)
[00:50] <h3sp4wn> raz0: kurobox's look better ....
[00:50] <raz0_> *pfff*
[00:51] <Bartman007> I gotta install the image I built onto mine so we can start mapping out the second minipci slot, just have been busy with other projects
[00:51] <raz0_> When looks has an impact on your choice of hardware, you know something is wrong! :]
[00:51] <h3sp4wn> Bartman007: Is the ethernet driver commited ?
[00:51] <Bartman007> not that I've heard
[00:52] <Bartman007> infact no, I updated trunk earlier today...
[00:52] <raz0_> Anyways, the Kuro is way to expensive to order to Denmark due to insane postage costs.
[00:52] <h3sp4wn> Bartman007: So that port uses kamikaze not buildroot-ng ?
[00:53] <sCi_Fi> i think im just gonna pick up a wl500gd.....thx for the input
[00:53] <Bartman007> kaloz has been too busy to port the changes to buildroot-ng
[00:53] <Kaloz> nah, too busy with other stuff :)
[00:53] <Bartman007> you may have noticed that Xscale isn't a valid target
[00:54] <Bartman007> Kaloz: that's what i meant :-P
[00:54] <Kaloz> btw, do you plan to get a nas?
[00:54] Action: Kaloz knows what nas will be supported by openwrt very soon :P
[00:55] <raz0_> FGS?
[00:55] <Bartman007> *hint hint, nudge nudge*
[00:55] <Kaloz> raz0_: nope
[00:55] <Kaloz> :P
[00:55] <Kaloz> raz0_: the fsg isn't bad, but i decided to get something a bit more expensive, but more power and more fun
[00:55] <Bartman007> Kaloz: is it my amd64 based nas?
[00:55] <Bartman007> :-)
[00:55] <Kaloz> haha, nope :)
[00:56] <raz0_> Kaloz, Well SPEAK UP! :D
[00:56] <Kaloz> http://www.thecus.com/products_over.php?cid=1&pid=1
[00:58] <raz0_> What did you have to shell out to get one of those?
[00:58] <Kaloz> haha :)
[00:58] <Kaloz> not that extremely expensive here
[00:58] <Kaloz> or better say
[00:58] <Kaloz> all the nas-es here are around that price
[00:59] <h3sp4wn> Kaloz: Is the gateway 7001 ethernet driver going to be commited soon ?
[00:59] <raz0_> Yeah, but I'll ask again. What does it COST? ;-)
[00:59] <Kaloz> raz0_: here it's around $400 with VAT
[01:00] <hobbs> available in three different color schemes! That's critically important
[01:00] <Kaloz> h3sp4wn: well, you will see some surprises soon ;)
[01:00] <hobbs> a NAS without Style is no NAS at all!
[01:00] <Kaloz> h3sp4wn: the hw details are the important stuff
[01:00] <h3sp4wn> Kaloz: Bartman is sending me one (the abg one ) so I will have it in a few weeks
[01:01] Action: raz0_ drops his jaw through the floor
[01:01] <Kaloz> intel iop219 xscale @ 600mhz, 16mb flash, 128 mb ram (normal ddr dimm, so you can toss in 1gb) 2x gigabit lan, minipci slot, and space for 2 sata hdds
[01:01] <raz0_> Well THAT'S expensive. Three to four times the price of a Linkstation. o_0
[01:01] <Kaloz> raz0_: there
[01:01] <Kaloz> raz0_: here the linkstation is in the same price, just that has a hdd inside
[01:02] <Kaloz> raz0_: okay, maybe cheaper by $50...
[01:02] <raz0_> Which currency do you use, Kaloz?
[01:03] <Kaloz> raz0_: HUF (hungarian forint)
[01:03] <raz0_> Meh, don't want to look that up. ;)
[01:03] <Kaloz> raz0_: i know prices are way different there
[01:03] <Kaloz> raz0_: 1EUR ~ 280HUF
[01:04] <raz0_> A Linkstation 300HG is about $150 here (with HDD) while your device is $480
[01:04] <raz0_> So easy choice for me ^^
[01:04] <Kaloz> sure
[01:04] <Kaloz> but here the linkstation is in the same price
[01:04] <raz0_> yeah, so easy choice for you too :]
[01:04] <Kaloz> raz0_: easy choice, and hard choice for the pocket
[01:05] <raz0_> haha
[01:05] <raz0_> so true
[01:06] <Kaloz> raz0_: but honestly, even the dlink dsm-600 is more then $300 here...
[01:07] <Kaloz> raz0_: basically this is one of the reasons why we don't run on those and the linkstation/kurobox.. too expensive here, and mbm already has a revA dsm-600 which is "bit" nicer then the usual revB
[01:09] <raz0_> Kaloz, Ouch. :(
[01:09] <Kaloz> raz0_: and of course the dlink comes without hdd for that price of course :)
[01:10] <Kaloz> s/of course//
[01:10] <Kaloz> maybe i should sleep a bit more
[01:10] <raz0_> The DSM-G600 is ~$200
[01:10] <raz0_> and btw.. made a huge calculation error earlier ^^
[01:10] <raz0_> The linkstation is ~$300
[01:10] <Kaloz> ah, better
[01:11] <raz0_> But if you remove the price of the HDD, it's probably in the same range as the DSM-G600
[01:11] <raz0_> So I guess the Linkstation is the better choice?
[01:12] <Kaloz> well, the dsm-g600 has wireless
[01:12] <Bartman007> Kaloz: so that Yes BOX is an Xscale SOC?
[01:13] <Kaloz> a ralink minipci (as you probably get a revB in europe)
[01:13] <Kaloz> Bartman007: yep
[01:13] <Bartman007> yet only consumes 30% less power than a pc...
[01:13] <J4k3> Bartman007: 30% less power than a similarly fast PC
[01:13] <Kaloz> Bartman007: http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=4342
[01:13] <J4k3> the xscale is gonna hang with like... a Via C3 at best
[01:13] <J4k3> in actual raw performance
[01:14] <Kaloz> Bartman007: there is a photo of the board on page 2
[01:14] <Kaloz> J4k3: nah
[01:14] <J4k3> Via C3 = low power shizzle
[01:14] <Kaloz> J4k3: not when it comes to IO
[01:14] <Kaloz> J4k3: xscale is a "bit" better then a vai there
[01:14] <J4k3> kaloz: this is true
[01:15] <J4k3> well, a C3 on anything except a via chipset might work better ;)
[01:15] <Bartman007> oh heh, I didn't recognize the company... I was asked to evaluate this device because the mac admin here didn't want to deal with mdadm for his home backup machine, he wanted PnP instead...
[01:16] <raz0_> Kaloz, What's the specs on the DSM?
[01:16] <Kaloz> raz0_: revA or revB?
[01:17] <raz0_> revB, since it's probably the one I can get
[01:17] <Kaloz> http://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?id=4275
[01:19] <J4k3> hmm
[01:20] <raz0_> 170Mhz PPC and 32MB RAM vs. 266 266Mhz PPC and 128 MB RAM
[01:20] <J4k3> how much flash does a wrt54g v5 have available?
[01:20] <raz0_> easy choice ^^
[01:20] <J4k3> like 1.6MB?
[01:20] <raz0_> J4k3, It's in the wiki - 2MB. :)
[01:20] <J4k3> raz0: well, theres other stuff thats stored in there :)
[01:20] <J4k3> but yeah, good call on the wiki :)
[01:21] <raz0_> :)
[01:22] Action: J4k3 would love to get something to fit in a 2mb device
[01:22] <J4k3> they sure are cheap and plentiful
[01:23] <pgavin> anyone here?
[01:24] <Bartman007> J4k3: you realize that we would have to crucify you for a) "buying broadcom crap" and b) validating linksys's decision to give the wrt54g.
[01:24] <J4k3> Bartman007: well, I'd rather not buy a linksys device... there are lots if 2/8 boxes ;)
[01:24] <J4k3> and well... that broadcom crap is cheap, and I'd only use it for people where it'd make sense (really good signal, low chance of interference)
[01:25] <J4k3> slap 'em in a 19 dBi enclosure and call it done
[01:25] <Bartman007> I honestly don't care if you buy another 2/8 device (though I'd still make fun of you for buying the hardware you looked down on) just don't let Linksys's bean counters think they made the right decision
[01:26] <J4k3> they didn't, at all
[01:27] <pgavin> I have my router set for forward all traffic on port 22 to one of my machines. but if I do ssh <my WAN IP>, I end up sshing into the router. is there a way to make it ssh into my machine?
[01:28] <pgavin> e.g., if I ssh from the WAN, I get to my machine. but if I ssh from the LAN, I get the router. am I making sense?
[01:29] <Bartman007> pgavin: read the "BIG FAT DISCLAIMER" in /etc/firewall.user
[01:29] <pgavin> ah, ok :)
[01:31] <pgavin> ya, I'm not too good at this iptables stuff
[01:31] <Bartman007> it says that port forwarding will appear not to work from the LAN
[01:32] <Bartman007> so it is working exactly as it should.
[01:32] <pgavin> right
[01:32] <Dabian> pgavin : You prefer "ip" and "tc"?
[01:33] Action: [mbm] blames an annoying iptables syntax for that disclaimer
[01:33] <pgavin> Dabian: actually, I'm not to good at routing, period :)
[01:33] <Dabian> pgavin :o)
[01:33] <Dabian> pgavin : You could downgrade your kernel, and go with "ipfwadm" :-P
[01:34] <Dabian> (Much more simple)
[01:34] <pgavin> so, I guess what I want to do is make a rule to forward traffic going from the LAN to $WAN:22 to e.g. 192.168.1.2:22, but is that possible?
[01:34] <Dabian> pgavin . Yes and no.
[01:34] <Bartman007> [mbm]: I'm half tempting to find the loopback rules from dd-wrt and post them to a page in the wiki just so people will learn to search.
[01:34] <Dabian> pgavin : to both.
[01:34] <Bartman007> s/tempting/tempted/
[01:34] <[mbm]> the problem with iptables is that you either specify things by ip or by interface
[01:35] <pgavin> ok
[01:35] <Dabian> [mbm] : Unless you have user-defined chains, right?
[01:35] <[mbm]> and the problem with specifying by ip is that in cases like dhcp, the ip often changes and reruning the rules each time is a major pain in the ass
[01:35] <Dabian> [mbm] : eg. chain for interface blabla0.
[01:35] <[mbm]> Dabian: that doesn't help any :P
[01:35] <Dabian> Doesn't resolve the DHCP issue anyhow.
[01:35] <[mbm]> .. so you're basically left specifying it by ip address instead
[01:36] <[mbm]> er ..
[01:36] <[mbm]> damn you Dabian for interrupting me
[01:36] <Dabian> Sorry
[01:36] <[mbm]> .. so you're basically forced to specify it by interface instead
[01:36] <pgavin> lol :)
[01:36] <[mbm]> and because of the way it handles the interfaces, it means packets that came in a specific interface
[01:37] <[mbm]> which does not match packets destined to a certian interface
[01:37] <[mbm]> overall it's a complete mess
[01:37] <pgavin> lol
[01:37] <pgavin> yes, I agree
[01:37] <[mbm]> when I get around to it I'll write in some support for 'match the ip of this interface' which should clear things up
[01:38] <Bartman007> ah, so you want to do a more elegant solution than dd-wrt's "Loopback" option where it just reroutes all internal traffic through itself
[01:39] <Bartman007> so all connections appear to come from the router's lan ip (which is a PITA)
[01:40] <Bartman007> err, all connection attempting to connect the router's wan ip from the lan.
[01:41] <pgavin> so, short of changing my hosts file whenever I come and go from home, is there some easy way to make it do what I want?
[01:43] <[mbm]> there's a few ways, rather than rehashing them here you should probably just read the full discussion about it on the forum
[01:43] <pgavin> linky?
[01:43] <Dabian> forum.openwrt.org
[01:44] <Dabian> or click from openwrt.org
[01:44] <pgavin> heh
[01:44] <pgavin> i got it :)
[01:44] <Dabian> Great :)
[01:45] <Dabian> I am thirsty .. I just realised I cannot check my setup because I don't have a shell anymore.
[02:24] <eyudyu> im trying 2 get open wrt 2 run on cb3 pluss delux does any one know if it is possible _
[02:25] <eyudyu> ?? cb3
[02:25] <[mbm]> q
[02:27] <eyudyu> where is the openwrt site that i can ask questions _
[03:45] <J4k3> nbd: the settings I flipped earlier seemed to have improved performance at some troublesome sites.
[03:45] <J4k3> one site that rarely stays on for more than 2 hours straight has been up 6.5.. I rebooted it to reset the stats (with the new settings ran on boot)... so far so good still
[04:00] <drfreeze> yes?
[04:00] <drfreeze> is dd-wrt different that openwrt?
[04:01] <h3sp4wn> dd-wrt pollutes nvram (I know that much)
[04:01] <drfreeze> please define 'pollutes nvram'
[04:01] <h3sp4wn> Files it will all sort of junk
[04:01] <h3sp4wn> fills
[04:02] <drfreeze> does that impact performance?
[04:02] <h3sp4wn> Not really but its messy
[04:02] <h3sp4wn> It is more bothered about webinterfaces than code (uses mostly openwrt code now)
[04:02] <drfreeze> I need a router with 3 interfaces and to do some mild traffic shaping (ie put udp packets first)
[04:03] <drfreeze> Is openwrt the best option for me?
[04:03] <h3sp4wn> Do you know linux ?
[04:03] <drfreeze> h3sp4wn: yes the web interfaces did look nice and friendly
[04:03] <drfreeze> h3sp4wn: yes. been using freebsd mostly, but have a few linux boxes I support now
[04:04] <h3sp4wn> If you don't mind the commandline openwrt would be a good choice for you
[04:04] <raz0_> drfreeze, If you're very familiar with linux and iptables, then openwrt is great.
[04:04] <h3sp4wn> (the wiki documents almost everything really well)
[04:04] <drfreeze> I like the command line and I want to be able to ssh into the router. Can I do that with openwrt?, dd-wrt?
[04:04] <raz0_> couple it with adsl-optimizer.dk if you have a DSL line, and it's super.
[04:05] <raz0_> drfreeze, ssh, yes.
[04:05] <h3sp4wn> openwrt includes ssh default
[04:05] <drfreeze> h3sp4wn: there seems to be a lot of docs, what is the URL for the wiki for some clear instructions on instaling openwrt?
[04:05] <raz0_> drfreeze, openwrt.org -> documentation
[04:05] <drfreeze> thanks
[04:05] <drfreeze> raz0_: what is adsl-optimizer?
[04:05] <h3sp4wn> wiki.openwrt.org -> installing
[04:06] <drfreeze> h3sp4wn: thanks
[04:06] <h3sp4wn> If you can use freebsd and or linux reasonably well openwrt would be alot better for you than dd-wrt
[04:06] <raz0_> Basicle a set of patches to the linux kernel and netfilter (I think) to make it take ATM overhead into account.
[04:07] <raz0_> and some other stuff is included as well.
[04:08] <raz0_> Traffic shaping won't work reliably on a DSL line without taking account of ATM overhead
[04:08] <h3sp4wn> drfreeze: There is some qos-scripts which work really well
[04:09] <drfreeze> I am putting two of these routers behind two cisco 1720's
[04:09] <drfreeze> Do I still need to take into account the ATM overhead?
[04:09] <raz0_> If you have a DSL line, yes.
[04:10] <drfreeze> raz0_: a T1
[04:10] <drfreeze> h3sp4wn: I take it the scripts are on the wiki
[04:10] <raz0_> That's basicly multiple IDSN lines put together, isn't it? Or was that the other one?
[04:10] <raz0_> It's definitely not DSL. :]
[04:11] <drfreeze> raz0_: a private, point-to-point T1. It will be sharing data and voip udp packets. I just want to prioritize all upd over tcp
[04:11] <raz0_> I know NOTHING of T1, so I don't know.
[04:11] <h3sp4wn> drfreeze: http://people.openwrt.org/people/nbd/qos/
[04:11] <drfreeze> raz0_: ok, thanks
[04:11] <drfreeze> h3sp4wn: thanks
[04:17] <raz0_> All I know is that because ATM cells are always 53 bytes, the error in calculating the time to send the package is huge when sending small packets
[04:17] <raz0_> which you do with VOIP and gaming
[04:18] <raz0_> s/package/packet
[04:33] Action: J4k3 just got his 7200 RPM laptop HDD installed... even XP is fast.
[04:33] <J4k3> whee
[04:38] <denon> boot off a sata-attached 15k SAS drive :)
[04:38] <denon> kind of a pain to carry around ..
[04:38] <denon> but fast :)
[04:38] <J4k3> hehe
[04:38] <J4k3> there are SATA laptops now
[04:39] <CuriosCat> mine's sata I think
[04:39] <CuriosCat> doesn't help much when it's friggin 5400rpm SATA
[04:39] <J4k3> I wish they'd go ahead and put out like dual or tri-speed laptop HDs... imagine a 5/10/15 laptop HDD
[04:39] <J4k3> err 5/10/15k rpm
[04:40] <denon> J4k3: just do solid state and replace it every few years
[04:40] <denon> low power, cool, light, small
[04:40] <denon> and of course, fast
[04:40] <CuriosCat> I wish someone would invent a solid-state drive with a decent cost, speed and most importantly MTBF
[04:40] <raz0_> and of course, expen$ive
[04:40] <J4k3> last time I did CF with a regular OS, it lasted two weeks :|
[04:45] <denon> J4k3: unzip the OS into ramdisk :)
[05:22] <drfreeze> uhm, which firmware do I want to use....
[05:23] <drfreeze> before I begin this install, should I backup the existing firmware? (wrt54gl)
[05:26] <raz0_> drfreeze, You can do that, but if nothing goes wrong, it's a simple matter to fetch the firmware from Linksys's site again.
[05:33] <drfreeze> raz0_: ok. The wiki was a little confusing, telling me to make a backup by using dd....chicken before egg.
[05:33] <drfreeze> Ok, do I want jffs or squash?
[05:33] <drfreeze> are configuration options always stored on the jffs part?
[05:33] <denon> did you READ the faq?
[05:34] <denon> its like in big read letters
[05:34] <denon> red
[05:34] <drfreeze> yes, but it did not say where config options were stored
[05:34] <drfreeze> it says, use squash if you don't know....I'm still learning
[05:34] <denon> so do you know?
[05:34] <denon> no? then use squash :)
[05:35] <drfreeze> I want to understand how the config options are kept. Are the defaults in RO, and the changes in the jffs?
[05:35] <drfreeze> or are they always in the jffs part
[05:38] <drfreeze> denon: A couple of things I don't understand, why the big deal on squash saving some fs space? why is extra space needed?
[05:39] <drfreeze> what does it mean by using a squash system as a 'boot device for recovery
[05:39] <drfreeze> How is jffs not able to used as a boot device?
[05:41] <supa_user> man you ask lots of questions
[05:41] <drfreeze> Yes I do. :)
[05:42] <supa_user> squashfs compresses better than jffs2, but isn't writable
[05:42] <drfreeze> that is clear, why the big deal over a few extra bytes?
[05:42] <raz0_> drfreeze, Squash images use configuration in RO, yes
[05:42] <supa_user> so the squashfs image has a small jffs2 partition for writing configs out to
[05:42] <raz0_> and uses symbolic links in /etc/, which you remove, if you want to change something
[05:43] <drfreeze> yes, all that is in the docs.... my questions aren't tho
[05:43] <supa_user> some routers only have 2M flash, a couple extra bytes is quite a bit
[05:43] <supa_user> and i think it's in the order of 100k or so, not just "a few bytes"
[05:44] <raz0_> Yeah, it's quite significant
[05:44] <raz0_> I was surprised
[05:45] <drfreeze> does the router perform less efficiently w/o those 100K bytes?
[05:45] <drfreeze> (btw, I've got people saying just use jffs, and you guys seem to be leaning towards squash)
[05:46] <raz0_> drfreeze, No, it performs the same
[05:46] <raz0_> and yes, you can use JFFS just fine
[05:46] <raz0_> in fact I did
[05:47] <raz0_> squash is a bit of a pain, since you have to
[05:47] <drfreeze> yes, I'm not seeing the advantage to the ram, other than will it all fit
[05:47] <raz0_> a) remove symlink
[05:47] <raz0_> b) copy file from RO
[05:47] <drfreeze> And, what about hte 'boot device' issue?
[05:47] <raz0_> every time you have to change something
[05:47] <drfreeze> raz0_: yes
[05:48] <raz0_> well in thoery, you should be able to boot of RO squash if you mess something up
[05:48] <raz0_> but you won't do that, now will you? ;-)
[05:48] <drfreeze> ok, I get it
[05:48] <drfreeze> I think
[05:49] <drfreeze> If I mess up a squash install, is there a mode that will put the symlinks back or boot from a RO mount?
[05:50] <raz0_> maybe, I don't know ^^
[05:50] <raz0_> it's been a while since I messed around with openwrt
[05:51] <drfreeze> thanks, you guys have been a great help. I'm starting the install now....I'll let you know how it goes if you are interested...
[05:52] <raz0_> please do
[05:53] <drfreeze> Jim's play-by-play... :)
[05:53] <drfreeze> Step 1: remove silly "Run CD First" sticker
[05:57] <drfreeze> plug in power; plug in ethernet between computer and router; browse to 192.168.1.1; user: <blank>; passwd: admin
[05:58] <drfreeze> select Administration | Firmware Upgrade, choose jffs file, Upgrade
[05:58] <drfreeze> upgrade is successful
[06:01] <drfreeze> the docs say the jffs setup requires an extra reboot
[06:01] <drfreeze> How does one reboot the device? power cycle?
[06:04] <drfreeze> raz0_: is it ok to power cycle the device now to reboot?
[06:06] <ulmen> power cycle is one way. the other is logging in via telnet and running "reboot"
[06:08] <drfreeze> power cycled to reboot
[06:08] <drfreeze> can now ssh into router
[06:08] <drfreeze> yay!!
[06:15] <drfreeze> The dd-wrt site says that you can chane the power on the wireless, I'm not seeing that on openwrt
[06:17] <drfreeze> wwalker: get that car back?
[06:17] <drfreeze> /chane/change
[06:18] <wwalker> Nope, it's on the side of the road till morning. clutch is gone
[06:18] <ulmen> the openwrt webgui is focused on the basics ... playing with some "power" settings withouth knowing what that does is generally not a good idea, because people tend to set "power" to the highes value possible
[06:18] <wwalker> I use the squashfs
[06:19] <drfreeze> Ok, understand
[06:19] <drfreeze> wwalker: I installed jffs
[06:19] <drfreeze> wwalker: I'm ready to configure this thin
[06:20] <drfreeze> s/thin/thing/
[06:20] <drfreeze> what ya doin' on saturday?
[06:20] <wwalker> cool, I'm wiped though. Saturday sounds good.
[06:20] <drfreeze> wwalker: Did you see the posting where I said I downloaded cisco's configmaker for the 1720?
[06:21] <drfreeze> I'm down to the wire and have to get this stuff going. I'm probably going to pay somebody tomorrow to configure the routers
[06:21] <drfreeze> s/routers/1720's/
[06:21] <drfreeze> I figure we can handle the routers
[06:22] <drfreeze> That just leaves putting * on the wrt box
[06:22] <drfreeze> My start looking at that tonight
[06:22] <drfreeze> s/My/May/
[06:22] <wwalker> ipkg install asterisk
[06:22] <drfreeze> man i'm making a lot of typo's
[06:23] <drfreeze> what is ipkg? A linux thing?
[06:23] <wwalker> first you may have to edit /etc/resolv.conf on the wrt so it can resolv hostnames (or put the IP of openwrt.org and www.openwrt.org in /etc/hosts
[06:24] <wwalker> ipkg is like rpm or dpkg, but for small embedded systems. I gotta call it a night though....
[06:24] <wwalker> gnight
[06:24] <drfreeze> nite
[06:24] <ulmen> ipkg is the "Itsy Package Management System" =)
[06:25] <drfreeze> so I put openwrt on one of these things and then install *. OK
[06:26] <drfreeze> So ipkg works through the web?
[06:26] <drfreeze> cool
[06:29] <pgavin> I asked here earlier, but no one was able to help me... I've got my router set up to forward ssh traffic to one of my machines. I am able to ssh into the machine from the internet just fine, but if I ssh the WAN IP from the LAN, I end up sshing into the router. has anyone gotten theirs to work the way I want it to?
[06:30] <[mbm]> pgavin: read the 'big fat disclaimer' on the top of firewall.user
[06:30] <pgavin> [mbm]: I did. it still doesn't help me :)
[06:30] <pgavin> is this impossible?
[06:31] <[mbm]> to help you? apparently
[06:31] <pgavin> excuse me?
[06:31] <pgavin> the "BIG FAT DISCLAIMER" doesn't help people that don't know iptables too well.
[06:32] <pgavin> like me
[06:32] <[mbm]> you asked if it was impossible help you
[06:32] <pgavin> har har
[06:32] <pgavin> I meant, is what I'm trying to do impossible
[06:32] <[mbm]> the big fat disclaimer simply tells you what you've already figured out - that the forwarding only works from the internet
[06:32] <drfreeze> have you tried ssh -R?
[06:34] <pgavin> ok, I have a dns record pointing at my WAN IP. I want ssh my.domain.com to go into my machine, whether I'm on my LAN or not. ssh -R doesn't help here
[06:34] <pgavin> Ideally, http://my.domain.com/ would work behind the lan or not as well.
[06:34] <pgavin> so, what you're trying to tell me, [mbm], is that there's no way at all for this to happen
[06:35] <[mbm]> what I'm telling you is that it's that way due to some annoyances of iptables
[06:35] <[mbm]> you either specify something by the interface the packet came from, or the ip address
[06:35] <pgavin> ok, that's fine, I suppose I didn't exactly understand that earlier.
[06:36] <[mbm]> and since the ip address can change via dhcp, it's much easier to specify by interface
[06:36] <pgavin> so, isn't it possible to tell it to listen on the WAN interface for packets on port 22, and send them to 192.168.1.2:22?
[06:36] <[mbm]> not exactly
[06:37] <[mbm]> go read the iptables documentation if you really want to know why it appears so broken
[06:37] <pgavin> ?
[06:37] <pgavin> heh
[06:37] <[mbm]> or read the forum if you want solutions
[06:38] <pgavin> I checked the forum, but couldn't find any solutions. I suppose I just haven't looked deep enough
[06:39] <pgavin> I checked the iptables docs, but I don't understand it well enough (yet) to understand it.
[06:39] <pgavin> heh
[06:39] <pgavin> you know what I mean
[07:25] <_-Jon-_> hey everyone
[07:26] <_-Jon-_> having a very strange problem with openwrt (or maybe just my wrt). Wondering if this has happened to anyone before..
[07:26] <_-Jon-_> Wired connections to the outside are SLOW. Internally it's fine
[07:26] <_-Jon-_> BUT, wireless is blazing fast
[07:27] <_-Jon-_> I'm not really sure what to make of it
[07:28] <J4k3> damaged ethernet switch?
[07:28] <J4k3> bad cable somewhere in the works?
[07:29] <_-Jon-_> That's what I thought (bad cable) so I tried a new cable in a new port, no go :(
[07:29] <_-Jon-_> It's almost like it's somehow throttling traffic
[07:29] <J4k3> hrm
[07:29] <J4k3> weird
[07:29] <_-Jon-_> Oh and it gets more complicated.. :P
[07:30] <_-Jon-_> ONLY on downloads. My upload is 100k all the time
[07:30] <_-Jon-_> download is ~40k
[07:30] <J4k3> strange
[07:31] <_-Jon-_> I know. I'd hate to have to reflash. Not even sure it that'd fix it
[07:33] <_-Jon-_> Do you think WDS could have something to do with it?
[07:52] <tga> who?
[07:52] <tga> same story as yesterday actually, hoping to have more luck today
[07:52] <tga> my wrt doesn't iwconfig on boot anymore and I can't figure out why
[07:53] <tga> nvram looks good, everything else seems to be in the right place
[07:54] Action: tga wonders if wrt is a bot
[07:54] <tga> hmm
[07:55] Action: tga shrugs
[07:56] Action: tga awaits human intervention
[08:15] <exobyte> I just noticed nbd's webif is installed. Any comments on it? At first glance, it seems nifty
[09:55] <russell_> any reason the buildroot-ng toolchain/kernel-headers/Makefile --wildcards bug hasn't been fixed yet?
[10:00] <Dabian> OK ... I have a question.
[10:01] <Dabian> I have been fighting with portforwarding for several hours .. now I realise the fault.
[10:01] <Dabian> The router doesn't listen for the addresses I am trying to forward.
[10:02] <Dabian> How do I add IP's to the wan-side? I am mostly using the webif, but I've been a gnu/linux user since '94 so I know how to edit a config-file, at least if I know which one.
[10:03] <Dabian> Channel sleeping?
[10:04] <Dabian> (or otherwise idle)
[10:05] <Dabian> mq_ : HELP!?
[10:05] <russell_> look up proxy arp?
[10:05] <Dabian> no .. not again?
[10:05] <Dabian> russell_ : I am doing ordinary nat right now.
[10:06] <Blorb> what do you need other ips for?
[10:06] <russell_> uh, ifconfig eth0:1 <ip> up
[10:06] <russell_> (or whatever interface name)
[10:06] <Dabian> russell_ : Yeah .. but in which config file?
[10:07] <Dabian> Blorb : Webserver with SSL and mailservers.
[10:07] <russell_> make sure it works first, from a shell.
[10:07] <Dabian> russell_ : Right
[10:08] <Dabian> oh
[10:08] <Dabian> /etc/network/interfaces simply?
[10:08] <russell_> i dunno. i am not up on openwrt at the moment.
[10:08] <Dabian> What are you using?
[10:09] <russell_> openwrt kamikaze, currently building buildroot-ng for a wgt
[10:09] <Dabian> Hmm .. now it listens for the IP alright .. but it does not portforward ..
[10:10] <Dabian> btw. Is there an easy way to make webif not listen for the external IP?
[10:10] <Dabian> oh well .. never mind that for now..
[10:11] <Dabian> portforwarding .. I guess wiki should have something on that..
[10:12] <russell_> what does your interfaces file look like now?
[10:13] <russell_> up /sbin/iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth1 -d $IF_ADDRESS -p tcp --dport 22 -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.10
[10:15] <Dabian> hmm
[10:15] <Dabian> .. it doesn't have /etc/network ...
[10:16] <russell_> that's from my debian based router. not sure how that translates to whatever version of openwrt you are running.
[10:16] <Dabian> Ahh .. I run debian too .. on my servers!
[10:16] <Dabian> (and in my 32bit chroot)
[10:16] <russell_> what version of openwrt _are_ you running?
[10:16] <Dabian> rc5
[10:17] <Dabian> I have this in /etc/config/firewall:
[10:17] <russell_> have you looked in /etc/init.d?
[10:18] <Dabian> forward:proto=tcp dest=EXTERNAL_IP:LOCAL_IP:80
[10:21] <Smax> hi, i am having trouble with a WAN configuration and i dont find the correct way in the manual
[10:21] <Smax> my wan is set up via dhcp due to cable modem
[10:22] <Smax> i want to set up the wan ip via dhcp but choose my own nameservers for wan requests
[10:22] <Smax> any suggestions ?
[10:23] <Smax> if i just use the websetup and enter dns on the lan page my wlan cards get public ips and i suffer from non working conectivity
[10:24] <Smax> i tried to change resolv.conf but all files are read only
[10:25] <russell_> Smax: do you know why?
[10:25] <Smax> no, tell me
[10:25] <Dabian> I am back
[10:25] <russell_> ls -al
[10:25] <Dabian> (Seems I did something that lost me connectivity)
[10:26] <Dabian> russell_ : I may have missed some of your recent posts ..
[10:26] <russell_> nothing relevant
[10:27] <russell_> Smax: cd /etc ; ls -al
[10:27] <Dabian> Why is this so fustrating?
[10:27] <Dabian> Can I buy a shell somewhere for testing?
[10:28] <russell_> huh?
[10:28] <Dabian> (One that I can pay for online, so I don't have to wait days for it to activate)
[10:28] <Smax> you need a shell provider ?
[10:28] <Smax> www.oppishell.de
[10:28] <russell_> why do you need a shell?
[10:28] <Dabian> not really .. but I need a way to test my setup from the outside ..
[10:29] <russell_> oh, i see.
[10:30] <cemil-> foooo!
[10:30] <cemil-> whazup :)
[10:30] <Smax> russel_ shouldnt i change dnsmasq.conf to use my own resolv.conf ?
[10:31] <russell_> a) i don't know what you are trying to do; b) i don't know openwrt all that well.
[10:31] <Smax> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Jan 1 00:01 dnsmasq.conf -> /rom/etc/dnsmasq.conf
[10:32] <Smax> dnsmasq.conf is used to configure where to find resolv.conf which contains the dns servers list
[10:32] <russell_> if you want to edit that, you delete dnsmasq.conf and cp /rom/etc/dnsmasq.conf . , then vi
[10:32] <Smax> ok
[10:32] <cemil-> anyone here has more then 5 devices in wds?
[10:32] <cemil-> it works fine... but i have big performance-problems
[10:33] <cemil-> more then 100kb/s is not possible at some nodes
[10:33] <cemil-> i thought about olsr - but this is to complicated and not the right solution for me i think
[10:33] <cemil-> (i need roaming, etc)
[12:20] <Dabian> I got it working
[12:20] <Dabian> It doesn't work from the inside though.
[13:47] <biw> hi, the dhcp server in Dnsmasq, is there any kind of dhcp timeout, so you can specify how frequently to renew the lease?
[13:55] <tojoeWRK> biw http://thekelleys.org.uk/dnsmasq/docs/dnsmasq-man.html
[13:55] <tojoeWRK> have a look at the parameters for the -F option
[13:56] <biw> cool thanks
[13:56] <biw> just trying to figure out some wifidog stuff
[13:56] <biw> set to 12hours lease time on this one at least
[15:47] <blop> hey
[15:48] <blop> just to let you know i've managed to get the wds/wpa working :) i was the problem obviously :D
[15:48] <blop> i cant wait to get openwrt running on my wrtP54g :)
[15:48] <h3sp4wn> blop: broadcom or atheros ?
[15:49] <blop> broadcom i think (2x wrt54g v2)
[15:49] <h3sp4wn> blop: Is it stable ?
[15:49] <blop> yeah its working fine :)
[15:50] <h3sp4wn> blop: You have tried putting a high load through it ? to test it ?
[15:50] <blop> Ydef if you here me :) you are all my hopes :D
[15:50] <blop> not yet nope
[15:57] <ray-z> can busybox httpd use php?
[16:00] <supa_user> the php binary is bigger than the flash on the wrt
[16:00] <supa_user> mine is 5.2mb on i686
[16:01] <ray-z> yes, but is there way to define that it "has" this module, and then install it to da HD?
[16:02] <ray-z> so i'm happy to have an error if it's not,
[16:04] <coryb> ray-z: I doubt it'd work with busybox httpd unless busybox httpd has cgi support; then you'd run php as a cgi
[16:05] <coryb> if you have enough space, I suppose lighttpd would be more flexible
[16:06] <ray-z> hmmm....
[16:07] <ray-z> so basically, the only option is to istall another http server?
[16:07] <ray-z> (as well known)..
[16:07] <coryb> I don't know.
[16:07] <seppo^Nemesis[y-> hi! who can help me set up my own firewall script?? there are a few essential lines missing :(
[16:07] <seppo^Nemesis[y-> i'm using rc5 and a wrt54gl
[16:08] <coryb> http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/httpd_CGI_scripts
[16:09] <coryb> http://www.xs4all.nl/~rop/openwrt/ has a php package
[16:09] <coryb> search google.
[16:09] <coryb> it's out there. people have done it. whether your hardware can is another matter.
[16:14] <ray-z> yes yes... seen that, not much of a light...
[19:00] <mic_> is it possible to bridge lan + wan + wifi?
[19:01] <mic_> or just lan + wan and seperate wifi
[19:01] <mic_> i don't need a wan port, because i have an ipcop router
[19:01] <[mbm]> then change the vlans .. bridging the vlans is pointless
[19:03] <mic_> pudden?
[19:03] Action: [mbm] doesn't know this strange language that you speak
[19:04] <mic_> i want to use the wan port as a lan port
[19:04] <mic_> ?
[19:04] <[mbm]> right, change the vlans
[19:04] <dmnd> it's in the faq/howto
[19:04] <dmnd> what's with all the splittyness
[19:05] <mic_> i'm reading in the wiki
[19:05] <[mbm]> dmnd: lilo spilled beer on the server again
[19:06] <dmnd> he has quite some beer left then
[19:07] <[mbm]> I think hey buys kegs by the 12 pack
[19:07] <mic_> i think i'm blind...
[19:07] <[mbm]> mic_: read the configuration section
[19:07] <[mbm]> and pay particular attention to the part about vlans
[19:08] <mic_> yes network configuration section
[19:14] <mic_> i think i've found the solution for the vlans now
[19:15] <mic_> but i have to bridge vlan0 and eth1
[19:15] <mic_> right?
[19:15] <[mbm]> yes
[19:15] <[mbm]> (but that's already default)
[19:15] <mic_> indeed
[19:18] <exobyte> I'm thinking about setting up wpa to authenticate again a radius server. My goal is to have something more like a login than a single PSK. First- I can do that, right? Second, what type of a cert would I need to get from, say, verisign?
[19:24] Action: Bartman007 curses lilo. His shenanigans, combined with shenanigans of the bahalf of SBC have been wreaking havoc with irssi.
[19:24] <Bartman007> s/of/on/
[19:24] <mic_> exobyte, authenticating against radius server is possible
[19:24] <exobyte> Bartman007: you mean AT&T?
[19:24] <Bartman007> exobyte: no, actually I mean pacbell.
[19:25] <mic_> but i think you'll have a log-in for the clients?
[19:25] <Bartman007> until I start getting an AT&T hostmask, it's still pacbell.
[19:25] <exobyte> mic_: log in for them?
[19:25] <Bartman007> Client certs are the way to go for RADIUS.
[19:26] <exobyte> Bartman007: that doesn't mean one for each client, doe it
[19:26] <exobyte> *does
[19:26] <Bartman007> yes, each client has their own signed cert.
[19:26] <exobyte> Bartman007: that's sorta a pain
[19:27] <mic_> not a log-in which are used for hot-spots right?
[19:27] <exobyte> right
[19:27] <exobyte> not web based
[19:27] <mic_> ok
[19:27] <exobyte> I seem to remeber having to right click my connection to provide a login (windows xp)
[19:27] <mic_> i would use a solution like VPN
[19:28] <exobyte> mic_: I tried setting ip ipsec vpn once. it really, really sucked
[19:29] <exobyte> and I never finished
[19:29] <exobyte> manually pairing a client with the server wasn't really an option
[19:30] <Bartman007> IPSec is the way to go if you need "standards compliance" otherwise just use OpenVPN, much easier
[19:31] <exobyte> I probably should go with openvpn
[19:31] <exobyte> wifi security is still sorta lacking
[19:32] <Bartman007> WPA2 is good enough.
[19:32] <exobyte> but authentication is a bitch to set up
[19:35] <Bartman007> exobyte: Wifi was designed for conveince, not security. If you are doing anything that requires maintaining the highest security possible, you'll be using a VPN over wired ethernet.
[19:35] <exobyte> Bartman007: it's more like I'm paranoid
[19:36] <exobyte> having people install openwpn kinda sucks, too
[19:36] <Bartman007> exobyte: then your tinfoil apparel should be killing the wireless signal anyway.
[19:36] <exobyte> ohhhh- for convenience
[19:37] <exobyte> so that's why wep sucked and WPA was sorta hacked on
[19:37] <h3sp4wn> What is the problem with ipsec (its alot easier to setup than it used to be)
[19:38] <Bartman007> h3sp4wn: the Windows side is still maddening
[19:38] <exobyte> h3sp4wn: last time I tried to set it up (on freebsd), having to pre-exchange keys the win xp system was sorta stupid
[19:38] <exobyte> Bartman007: yeah, and that
[19:41] <h3sp4wn> Bartman007: There is a decent windows ipsec client I think fsecure does it
[19:43] <exobyte> h3sp4wn: kinda $$
[19:43] <h3sp4wn> SSH Sentinel
[19:44] <h3sp4wn> (free for non commercial use - If you are using something commercially you should pay for it)
[19:46] <exobyte> keys aren't much fun
[19:46] <Bartman007> I prefer to use OSS solutions...
[19:46] <Bartman007> exobyte: keys? like key authenticaion?
[19:46] <exobyte> pre-sharing them
[19:48] <h3sp4wn> I prefer oss solutions but for windows I won't be using it anyway so I just want something that works
[19:48] <exobyte> what's the major drawback of radius and wpa2?
[19:49] <phil_> what would i need to do in order to switch from wpa to wpa2?
[19:49] <phil_> simply change wl0_akm from psk to psk2?
[19:50] <phil_> or anything else?
[19:51] <Bartman007> phil_: that should do it
[19:52] <phil_> thanks
[19:53] <phil_> and then? restart nas?
[19:53] <Bartman007> you'll probably also want to update wl0_crypto...
[19:54] <phil_> it's tkip. shouldn't that work?
[19:55] <Bartman007> that will but aes is more secure
[19:56] <phil_> anything else? do i need to reboot?
[19:56] <phil_> still can't join the network via wpa2
[19:57] <Bartman007> restarting nas will probably do it
[19:57] <Bartman007> either S41wpa or S40 network...
[19:58] <phil_> restarting the box did it ;)
[19:59] <phil_> okay, thanks a lot
[20:01] <[Terra]> exobyte: some people think that setting up radius is too much work
[20:02] <[Terra]> I must admit, I haven't tried to let radius work with ldap yet.
[20:02] <[Terra]> but radius was quite easy actually, imho.
[20:02] <exobyte> [Terra]: ah. what type of a cert would I need to get from verisign for this to work?
[20:03] <[Terra]> Well, doen't really matter.
[20:03] <[Terra]> the only thing that matters for windows clients is that the CA is known by windows.
[20:04] <exobyte> I should probably do my own initially
[20:04] <[Terra]> You could probably also create your own CA and inport that CA into your windows.
[20:06] <[Terra]> My Ubuntu machine don't even care about the CA cert at all.
[20:06] <[Terra]> But I generated my own CA/server keys/certs
[20:07] <Bartman007> exobyte: if you want a widely recognized, free cert, look into cacert.org
[20:07] <exobyte> Bartman007: I wonder if windows has it in there
[20:08] <Bartman007> I personally just use the CA I setup for my company. Everyone who has access to the resources has the root cert and crl installed.
[20:08] <Bartman007> exobyte: windows doesn't by default, but I'm pretty sure firefox does.
[20:08] <[Terra]> Oh, is the cacert root certificate these days by default recognized by windows clients!?
[20:08] <Bartman007> you could always leverage one of the current windows exploits to install it when they join your network :-)
[20:09] <[Terra]> For even more fun, try other mobile devices.
[20:09] <[Terra]> Like phones and PDA's
[20:09] <Bartman007> a few pda
[20:10] <[Terra]> (hint, if you want that, use a verisign cert)
[20:10] <Bartman007> s can do radius, but most can't
[20:10] <Bartman007> err, wpa-radius.
[20:10] <exobyte> they need to come up with a *supported* standard soon
[20:11] <[Terra]> The devices won't have to connect to radius, your AP is doing that, right?
[20:11] <exobyte> right
[20:11] <[Terra]> These devices wil have to support wpa2 with usernames and passwords.
[20:11] <[Terra]> And I aagree, most won't
[20:12] <exobyte> "standards"
[20:12] <[Terra]> Actually, you're pretty lucky if you have one that can do wpa at all.
[20:13] <[Terra]> Most of these things seem to think that WEP is pretty neat already.
[20:31] <|ionic|> How can I check whether my router uses WEP or WPA?
[20:33] <Bartman007> is it running openwrt?
[20:36] <|ionic|> Bartman007: ofc
[20:36] <|ionic|> I'm wondering wth poeple in _#OpenWRT_ ask me, whether I'm running OpenWrt
[20:38] <Rawplayer> becauce morons with hyperwrt and ddwrt ask questions here to
[20:38] <[mbm]> because over half of the time the people who come here come for support and not because they're running openwrt
[20:39] <|ionic|> I assumed "#OpenWRT" is for OpenWrt, Ok, however.
[20:39] <[mbm]> that was the intention
[20:40] <|ionic|> So, how to check whether I'm running WEP or WPA?
[20:40] <|ionic|> ATM I'm using WEP
[20:40] <|ionic|> And I would like to check whether I changed successfully
[20:41] <[mbm]> kill nas and see if you can reconnect :P
[20:42] <|ionic|> Ugly hack :/
[20:42] <|ionic|> OK
[20:56] <Setsquare> anyone ever had any problems with screen installed
[20:56] <Setsquare> u leave it running for a few hours
[20:57] <Setsquare> and when u come back you cant ssh back in
[20:57] <Setsquare> but you can ping ap fine
[21:17] <TheCompWiz> well... I'm almost done building my tool chain... again. (did it in a vmware session last time & the .vdmk got trashed somehow & evertyhing went "poof")
[21:30] <Raptor4128> Is it true that kamakazi's broadcom wifi driver works now?
[21:45] <TheCompWiz> I was just about to check that Raptor4128... but I don't think it works any better than before. (havn't looked through the changelog)
[21:50] <Bartman007> h3sp4wn: I'm heading out to lunch right now, but thought you might like to know that your 7001 arrived yesterday.
[21:51] <h3sp4wn> Bartman007: Cool - Sort it out when you have a bit of time if you want
[21:52] <Raptor4128> I want to use kamikaze, but I need working wifi
[21:52] <Bartman007> If you don't mind, I'm going to open the box and make sure it works.
[21:52] <TheCompWiz> Raptor4128... define "working" wifi.
[21:52] <h3sp4wn> Bartman007: No problemo
[21:52] <Bartman007> Raptor4128: If wifi works in WR it will work in Kamikaze, just use the 2.4 target
[21:52] <TheCompWiz> and on which hardware?
[21:55] Action: TheCompWiz twiddles his thumbs while make completes
[21:55] <TheCompWiz> why's this thing gotta be soooooo slow?
[21:55] <h3sp4wn> Bartman007: Check it works is fine - I want it insured delivery though
[21:56] <Raptor4128> well, there was an implication I wanted to use 2.6, bartman ;)
[21:56] <Raptor4128> but yeah, its on a wrt54g, ie, broadcom wifi
[21:56] <TheCompWiz> Raptor4128... try it & find out.
[21:57] <Raptor4128> no thanks ;)
[21:57] <Raptor4128> I'll run unstable software on almost anything
[21:57] <Raptor4128> but not my router
[21:57] <TheCompWiz> then quit complaining.
[21:58] <TheCompWiz> there's a reason kamikaze is not the primary distro.
[21:58] <Raptor4128> yeah, I know
[21:58] <Raptor4128> Im waiting until its... half unstable.
[21:58] <Raptor4128> well, atleast, until it works on most platforms and doesnt eat packets.
[21:58] <TheCompWiz> what do you define as "half unstable"?
[21:58] <Raptor4128> or hardware.
[21:59] <Raptor4128> from the inside out.
[21:59] <Raptor4128> (insert concept art from the aliens movies here)
[21:59] <Raptor4128> but yeah, I just want wifi to work on 2.6 kernels
[21:59] <TheCompWiz> and I want a million dollars!
[21:59] <Raptor4128> so do I.
[22:00] <TheCompWiz> so, are you going to make a point?
[22:00] <Raptor4128> I could, but you'll probably poke someone's eye out with it.
[22:01] <Raptor4128> hrm, tough crowd tonight
[22:01] <synth> "try the veal"
[22:01] <synth> "thanks"
[22:02] <Raptor4128> TheCompWiz: What I want is working ipv6 firewalling
[22:02] <Raptor4128> something that doesnt quite exist in 2.4
[22:02] <TheCompWiz> ipv6 bl0ws chunks.
[22:02] <synth> Oh, and while we're at it can someone fixup the libata/sata_mv issues so I can have my Adaptec 1420SA root not corrupt?
[22:02] <synth> thanks. :D
[22:02] <Raptor4128> synth: .... sata cf card?
[22:02] <Raptor4128> goddamnit
[22:03] <Raptor4128> where the hell would he get a sata card for a wrt?
[22:03] <TheCompWiz> synth... just as soon as a million dollars gets deposited in my bank.
[22:03] <hobbs> Raptor4128: I think it was just a "and while you're fixing the kernel" :)
[22:03] <Raptor4128> oh
[22:03] <Raptor4128> synth: hey you!
[22:03] <hobbs> Raptor4128: the card he mentioned seems to be PCI-X :)
[22:03] <TheCompWiz> Raptor4128.. didnt ya know... many wrts have mPCI slots :)
[22:03] <synth> gawd Xgl is pissing me off, shift backspace kills :1? wtfover.
[22:03] <synth> Raptor4128: its a sata2 raid card
[22:03] <Raptor4128> shift backspace is the new control-alt-backspace
[22:04] <synth> Raptor4128: "raid" card
[22:04] <Raptor4128> people were bitching about it on the xorg ml
[22:04] <synth> they should be, i hit that sequence almost daily by accident
[22:04] <synth> i xmodmapped it out before, gotta fix it
[22:04] <Raptor4128> so yeah, is this card going in a wrt or what?
[22:04] <synth> haha no
[22:04] <synth> i just saw people requesting insurmountable things
[22:04] <Raptor4128> thank god.
[22:04] <synth> like a million bucks
[22:04] <synth> kernel features
[22:05] <synth> so i chimed in :)
[22:05] <Raptor4128> I was like, wtf, why does a wrt need sata?
[22:05] <TheCompWiz> I guess you could put it on a i386 wrt...
[22:05] <TheCompWiz> & gigabit ports...
[22:05] <Raptor4128> btw
[22:05] <TheCompWiz> & a hamster.
[22:05] <Raptor4128> you know what Im interested in?
[22:05] <Raptor4128> those new gumstix boards.... netduo+mmc
[22:05] <synth> haha hamster mod. thats what youll use the extra gpio for
[22:05] <Raptor4128> just plug a wifi card into mmc, and its a do-it-yourself wrt.
[22:05] <TheCompWiz> shock it once for left... & twice for right.
[22:05] <Raptor4128> with more memory and flash and a much faster cpu
[22:06] <synth> some resistors and you can measure the voltage, and play horibble sounds to get the hamster going again
[22:06] <Raptor4128> all you have to do is get a router or switch somewhere and plug it into one of the eths.
[22:06] <TheCompWiz> more flash more memory more CPU power... not optimized at all for routing ;)
[22:06] <Raptor4128> thecompwiz: not true at all
[22:06] <synth> TheCompWiz: i dont know about you, but these inexpensive routers are really needing some Blue LEDs.
[22:07] <synth> not a couple, but a FEWWW
[22:07] <TheCompWiz> the hardware is NOT optmizied for routing network traffic... just because it can be used for such... does not mean that's why it was designed.
[22:07] <Raptor4128> but its not not optimized either.
[22:07] <synth> gentoo for wrt?
[22:07] <Raptor4128> synth: die.
[22:07] <coryb> hahaha
[22:08] <synth> dood i cant compile my -O3 -funroll-looped img
[22:08] <synth> HELp
[22:08] <h3sp4wn> synth: #gentoo-embedded ?
[22:08] <Raptor4128> seriously, die.
[22:08] <TheCompWiz> Raptor4128... it IS most definately NOT optmizied for routing. it IS definately optmizied for small form factor... and basic gpio data.
[22:08] <synth> h3sp4wn: i hope you are kidding
[22:09] <synth> well ive seen BSD gentoo so i guess they can do some crazy shit and actually make it work
[22:09] <Raptor4128> thecompwiz: but you forgot one thing
[22:09] <TheCompWiz> that's almost as funny as #windows98-embedded
[22:09] <h3sp4wn> synth: crazy_imp has run it on a wl-hdd (I know for certain)
[22:09] <Raptor4128> afaik, a wrt cannot manage 200mbps of traffic
[22:09] <synth> Raptor4128: hell no it cant
[22:09] <synth> ive made WRTs reboot cause of packet load
[22:09] <synth> fear.
[22:09] <coryb> nor can it manage 100mbps
[22:09] <Raptor4128> exactly.
[22:09] <TheCompWiz> Raptor4128... you forget one thing.... yes it can. if you've done it right.
[22:09] <coryb> the switch can, I suppose
[22:09] <Raptor4128> the switch can, sure
[22:09] <Raptor4128> but try going from wan to lan
[22:09] <synth> the chip is purpose designed for routing traffic, the realtek one- is it not?
[22:09] <synth> for the WRT at least
[22:09] <Raptor4128> saturated in both directions
[22:10] <Raptor4128> a wrt would die under that sort of load
[22:10] <synth> WRTs are like little kid bikes
[22:10] <Raptor4128> but a gumstix would laugh at you and happily do that.
[22:10] <h3sp4wn> By cheap hardware its cheap and not very good - no surprises there
[22:10] <synth> i am losing faith in Buffalo
[22:10] <Kaloz> synth: http://funroll-loops.org/ :p
[22:10] <Raptor4128> and it'd also do it with lower lag
[22:10] <synth> hahah
[22:10] <synth> --enable-hate
[22:10] <Raptor4128> so, guess what?
[22:10] <Raptor4128> it may not be "optimized" for routing, but it'd eat a wrt alive.
[22:11] <synth> "dude disable noatime it speeds up your fs"
[22:11] <Kaloz> TheCompWiz: smart people go with a bcm4707 if they have toi use broadcom hardware
[22:11] <Kaloz> :p
[22:11] <Raptor4128> also, can a wrt be put into "stupid" mode?
[22:11] <TheCompWiz> lets compare... $60 for near 100mbps throughput... or $300 for a new computer with no troubles doing gigabit routing... or $300 for all the bits & pieces to make a functional gumstix router.
[22:11] <synth> gumstix? i remember that one
[22:11] <Kaloz> TheCompWiz: and except the wl500gp (don't ask me what moron designed that so stupidly) those have two real ethernet interfaces for lan and wan
[22:11] <Raptor4128> closer to $250
[22:12] <TheCompWiz> youre right... pcs are closer to $250
[22:12] <Kaloz> gumstix would be fun
[22:12] <Kaloz> but from that price you get xscale
[22:12] <Raptor4128> I meant the gumstix =P
[22:12] <Kaloz> :p
[22:12] <Raptor4128> but what I want is something that is low power and small
[22:12] <Kaloz> i mean an ixp2x
[22:12] <Raptor4128> kaloz: I was going to say
[22:12] <Kaloz> 42x*
[22:12] <Raptor4128> current gumstix are 255 xcales
[22:12] <Kaloz> damn, i can't type today
[22:12] <Raptor4128> and the new ones coming out are 270s
[22:13] <TheCompWiz> gumstix... standard decient platfor = $199 ... power supply = $35 ... case = $80 ... oh wait ... we want wireless $90... and 5 eithernet ports... ???
[22:13] <Kaloz> Raptor4128: those are "pxa"s
[22:13] <Kaloz> :)
[22:13] <TheCompWiz> looks to me... more than $300
[22:13] <Raptor4128> kaloz: did I say otherwise?
[22:13] <Raptor4128> thecompwiz: tupperware costs $80?
[22:13] <TheCompWiz> I'm not about to use tupperware...
[22:13] <Kaloz> Raptor4128: i just wanted to say that the pxa line was designed for pdas, eg. it's smaller then an ixp42x, but slower and more expensive
[22:13] <TheCompWiz> I'd still rather buy a PC.
[22:13] <hkkl> why 5 ethernet ports? 1 gbit, and using dot1Q, you know, router on stick?
[22:14] <Raptor4128> gumstix in little plastic boxes works well.
[22:14] <TheCompWiz> gumstix don't do gigabit.
[22:14] <Raptor4128> and the "powersupply" is easy to make
[22:14] <Raptor4128> use a 5 volt power brick, the cheap kind, and just plug it in
[22:14] <TheCompWiz> if you have time/materials... you can make anything. point being... added expense... more headaches... and if you did it wrong... you're f0rked.
[22:14] <Raptor4128> dude, they're gumstix
[22:15] <Raptor4128> how can you possibly do it wrong?
[22:15] <Raptor4128> its almost do-it-yourself embedded for idiots.
[22:15] <TheCompWiz> ... and water is wet? .... dosn't keep people from drowning every day.
[22:15] <h3sp4wn> There is no hardware ipsec in the pxa is there - at least according to the spec sheet which makes it a bit pointless
[22:15] <TheCompWiz> still... gumstix... does not equate to better wrt.
[22:15] <Raptor4128> yes it does.
[22:15] <Raptor4128> atleast gumstix dont choke on usb.
[22:15] <TheCompWiz> or even similar in comparison for the $$
[22:16] <hobbs> Raptor4128: well look who it is
[22:16] <Raptor4128> wrts with usb do what, 1mb/sec due to shitty cpu?
[22:16] <Raptor4128> gumstix do way more than that
[22:16] <TheCompWiz> wrt = cheap ... gumstix = more time... more headaches... and more $$$. PC = easier... cheaper than gumstix... and definately better choice.
[22:16] <TheCompWiz> unless you're worried about size.
[22:16] <Raptor4128> no, pc isnt the better choice
[22:16] <Raptor4128> it fails both the power usage and size requirements.
[22:17] <Raptor4128> a gumstix with netduo+mmc with a wifi mmc card uses no more than 2-3 watts, and is fucking tiny.
[22:17] <hobbs> because if you can't fit your router in your back pocket, it's worthless!
[22:17] <TheCompWiz> but that shitty gumstix does not perform 1/10th as well.
[22:17] <Raptor4128> but that shitty wrt doesnt perform 1/10th as well as tha wrt
[22:17] <Raptor4128> er
[22:17] <TheCompWiz> router... in back pocket... and why would I do that?
[22:17] <Raptor4128> but that shitty wrt doesnt perform 1/10th as well as that gumstix
[22:18] <hobbs> TheCompWiz: exactly :)
[22:18] <TheCompWiz> but.... you forgot the 1 point... $$.
[22:18] <Raptor4128> wrts cant _do_ anything besides routing
[22:18] <hkkl> cisco 1841?
[22:18] <TheCompWiz> wrt = $60 gumstix = $300
[22:18] <Raptor4128> they cant double as network servers.
[22:18] <TheCompWiz> IT"S A DAMN ROUTER! IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE A NETWORK SERVER!
[22:18] <Raptor4128> like, I cant plug usb harddrives into a wrt and expect it to work
[22:18] <Raptor4128> yes it does, actually
[22:18] <TheCompWiz> ROUTER sounds nothing like FILE SERVER
[22:18] <Raptor4128> because people keep selling wrts with usb plugs.
[22:19] <Kaloz> TheCompWiz: well, ixp422/ixp425 @ 266MHz -> 35Mbps AES ipsec, ixp425@533 -> 70Mbps AES ipsec
[22:19] <TheCompWiz> people also buy dog crap on ebay... and does that mean I will?
[22:19] <Kaloz> TheCompWiz: probably problematic with a pc
[22:19] <Kaloz> :P
[22:19] <Raptor4128> no, but it means wrts are implied to be more than just routers
[22:19] <h3sp4wn> Kaloz: But the ipsec is not in that consumer model he is talking about right ?
[22:19] <TheCompWiz> I may use the usb for a bluetooth module or some such... but I know a router is a router... and a file server is a file server.
[22:19] <hkkl> 'i want 2 full bgp tables on my backpocket'
[22:20] <Raptor4128> or what about running cpu intesive tasks?
[22:20] <Raptor4128> tor on a wrt is insane.
[22:20] <TheCompWiz> a WRT is a "ROUTER!
[22:20] <Raptor4128> but tor on a gumstix actually works.
[22:20] <TheCompWiz> a gumstix is a expensive and poor substitue.
[22:21] <Kaloz> h3sp4wn: ixp stuff is quite consumer stuff.. the ixp42x at least
[22:21] <h3sp4wn> Kaloz: Netscreen 5 is based on that (that is not consumer is it ?_
[22:21] <Raptor4128> but thats the thing, who wants something that will always be just a slow router?
[22:21] <Kaloz> h3sp4wn: afaik a lot of cheaper stuff, too
[22:21] <hobbs> Raptor4128: several million people
[22:22] <TheCompWiz> Raptor4128... if you want something more... than a router... with a few added perks... you're in the wrong channel.
[22:22] <Raptor4128> people like you waste money on electric bills by buying a computer to do an embedded platform's task
[22:22] <Kaloz> Raptor4128: http://www.innominate.com/content/view/35/76/lang,en/
[22:22] <Kaloz> :P
[22:22] <r0nny_> having some trouble with qos using nbd's qos-scripts - iptables(1.3.3) complains about different args (like --save-mark --restore-mark --todev) and different matches ( like layer , lenght) missing
[22:22] <Kaloz> Raptor4128: or http://www.innominate.com/content/view/31/50/lang,en/
[22:22] <hobbs> Raptor4128: I remember when you used to troll #perl :)
[22:22] <h3sp4wn> Kaloz: Well Bartman is sending me an a/b/g gateway 7001 (which I think is good value for money :)
[22:22] <Kaloz> Raptor4128: now these are stuff i would be happy to support
[22:22] <Kaloz> h3sp4wn: yep, it is for sure
[22:22] <r0nny_> i think im missing a package - anyone an idea wich one ould be missing ?
[22:22] <Raptor4128> hobbs: I've never trolled #perl.
[22:23] <TheCompWiz> Raptor4128... an embedded computer's tasks do not include file serving... DNS, pop3, telling the time, air-traffic controlling, or making you breakfast.
[22:23] <hobbs> Raptor4128: sorry, wrong :)
[22:23] <Raptor4128> thecompwiz: wrong, they have netbsd on toasters now.
[22:23] <Kaloz> TheCompWiz: wrong. for example the intel iop cpus were designed for file-sharing
[22:23] <TheCompWiz> Raptor4128... and it's not an embedded pc... just a boneheaded idea by someone with too much time & $$
[22:24] <Raptor4128> yes, godforbid I want something that is small, uses little power, and performs well
[22:24] <Raptor4128> what _ever_ was I thinking?!
[22:24] <coryb> buy a soekris?
[22:25] <Raptor4128> a what?
[22:25] <hkkl> soekris.
[22:25] <coryb> http://www.soekris.com/
[22:25] <Raptor4128> oh, them
[22:25] <TheCompWiz> .... the whole topic of this channel ... goes to the idea of using existing hardware... and improving on a simple design. not running an entire clustered server farm from a $60 piece of equipment.
[22:25] <Raptor4128> pc104 isnt bad, but I cant find what I want
[22:26] <TheCompWiz> just because there are people who have the time to discover how to attach an ass vibrator to their router... does NOT make it a good diea.
[22:26] <TheCompWiz> &idea.
[22:26] <Raptor4128> like, I dont want yet another x86 processor, no matter how low power it is
[22:26] <Raptor4128> thecompwiz: iBrators use usb.
[22:26] <TheCompWiz> and I will not be asking why you actually know the name of one... or the fact that you know they come in a usb form factor.
[22:27] <Raptor4128> thecompwiz: what, you've never made fun of Apple products before?
[22:27] <TheCompWiz> your father raped you when you were a little boy ... didn't he. that's no reason to try & rape the chan with stupid statements.
[22:28] <Raptor4128> I assume TheCompWiz is the local #openwrt troll.
[22:28] <TheCompWiz> nope... active participant. you really should read what a troll is.
[22:29] <TheCompWiz> (proverbial internet "troll" rather.)
[22:29] <Raptor4128> troll, n, someone who talks out his ass on the internet
[22:29] <r0nny_> re
[22:29] <TheCompWiz> Raptor4128... thank you for playing jeopardy... you are now in the negatives.
[22:29] <hobbs> Raptor4128: actually, no, although that does describe you well enough :)
[22:29] <Raptor4128> hobbs: ...
[22:30] <h3sp4wn> Raptor4128: Are you still rewritting an alternative to X ?
[22:30] <TheCompWiz> troll = one who reads conversations & articles... and never participates or adds to.
[22:30] <hobbs> TheCompWiz: no, that's "lurker" :)
[22:30] <Raptor4128> anyhow, I dont know why you're bitching about me wanting to use a gumstix to make a router.
[22:30] <Raptor4128> thats lurker, ... heh
[22:30] <TheCompWiz> GO... USE GUMSTIX... this is not #gumstix.
[22:30] <r0nny_> i managed to solve most trouble with nbd's qos-script package by installing mist iptables stuff, but it still complains about a unsupported --todev argument - anyone got a clue what package im missing ?
[22:31] <Raptor4128> compwiz: but you do realize that openwrt could run on a gumstix, right?
[22:31] <nbd> r0nny_: do you have the 'micro' image installed?
[22:31] <hobbs> Raptor4128: It could except that it has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PROJECTS STATED GOALS AND NEVER WILL
[22:31] <hobbs> :)
[22:31] <nbd> r0nny_: or why does it not resolve the dependencies automatically?
[22:31] <hobbs> s/PROJECTS/PROJECT'S/
[22:32] <Raptor4128> hobbs: actually, doesnt openwrt already run on a few ARM platforms?
[22:32] <r0nny_> nbd: yeah - i used micro - and i isntalled your scripts by url
[22:32] <TheCompWiz> Raptor4128... you do realize that currently... openwrt does not run on a gumstix? ... and the closest plans to do such... are to implement xscale support in the 2.0?
[22:32] <nbd> the ipkg script in micro is broken. why did you flash micro, anyway?
[22:32] <hobbs> Raptor4128: yes. Are you really so stupid that you think that's relevant? :)
[22:32] <TheCompWiz> we haven't even reached 1.0 yet.
[22:32] <nbd> it's only for devices that don't have enough space for the regular version
[22:33] <nbd> you should save yourself the trouble and just install the regular image
[22:33] <nbd> then it'll work without having to look for missing iptables things manually
[22:33] <r0nny_> ok
[22:33] <Raptor4128> anyhow, I'm not about to be caught up in your attempted troll
[22:33] <Raptor4128> I already found out what I wanted
[22:33] <hobbs> PARTY.
[22:34] <h3sp4wn> agreed
[22:34] Action: TheCompWiz sheds a tear. oh wait... no... that was a booger.
[22:34] <Ionic`> Hey, I've got some problems while connecting to the AP :(
[22:34] <Ionic`> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/4OKjwH49.html << do you see anything here?
[22:34] <TheCompWiz> would you like to be more specific?
[22:34] <Kaloz> hobbs: btw, openwrt could happily run on the gumstix..
[22:35] <hobbs> Kaloz: sure it could, technically speaking
[22:35] <Ionic`> WAP::SUP talks about authentication timeout
[22:35] <TheCompWiz> true Kaloz... but in it's current state.... it does not.
[22:35] <Ionic`> *wpa_supplicant
[22:35] <r0nny_> nbd: it seems to work fine after reinstalling ipkg, but it complains about not being able to satisfy the iptables-mod-imq depency
[22:35] <Kaloz> TheCompWiz: because it doesn't worth it for me currently and noone offered one to get it working :P it's that simple
[22:36] <hobbs> Kaloz: But that's not the _point_. If somebody wanted to take the openwrt code and port it to gumstix they could. But the way I see it, it wouldn't be openwrt, because it wouldn't be about consumer hardware anymore
[22:36] <Kaloz> TheCompWiz: and to be honest, no idea what wil lhappen now, that xscale is in marvell's hands
[22:36] <hobbs> Kaloz: it would just be OpenRouterStix or whatever :)
[22:36] <TheCompWiz> Ionic`... could you be more specific about connection problems?
[22:36] <Kaloz> hobbs: one distro to rule them all... ;)
[22:37] <nbd> r0nny_: did you run ipkg update again?
[22:37] <Ionic`> TheCompWiz: well... what should I say? I changed from WEP to WPA
[22:37] <hobbs> Kaloz: isn't nearly as good a thing as people think
[22:37] <TheCompWiz> .... and error you're getting when doing what says what?
[22:37] <Ionic`> I installed "nas", setup the preshared key
[22:37] <nbd> Kaloz: any particular reason why xscale is not available in buildroot-ng menuconfig? are there any missing parts?
[22:37] <TheCompWiz> on RC5? Kamikaze?
[22:37] <Ionic`> I disabled WEP in nvram
[22:37] <Ionic`> Started nas
[22:37] <Ionic`> restarted wifi
[22:37] <TheCompWiz> on your toaster oven?
[22:38] <r0nny_> darn - forgot the most simple part ;P
[22:38] <Kaloz> nbd: because you disabled it, and somehow i'm hitting walls with the gateway 7001 support with .17 and i was lacking time
[22:38] <hobbs> TheCompWiz: it's one of those toasters that prints the weather forecast on your toast
[22:38] <TheCompWiz> I can tell you... your toaster oven probably does not have wifi built-in.
[22:38] <nbd> Kaloz: i disabled it??
[22:38] <Ionic`> And now I'm trying to connect to the AP via a IPW2200 card and wpa_supplicant
[22:38] <nbd> i don't remember doing so
[22:38] <Ionic`> TheCompWiz: on my ASUS WL-500g Deluxe V :/
[22:38] <r0nny_> nbd: works fine now - thanks for the great help
[22:38] <TheCompWiz> ok... and you're trying to connect to it from..... a ham sandwich?
[22:38] <Kaloz> nbd: yeah :p you created the buildroo-ng branch without full xscale support, don't ask me why :)
[22:38] <nbd> Ionic`: you got the order wrong. first start wifi, then start nas
[22:39] <nbd> Kaloz: i did not touch any xscale stuff
[22:39] <Ionic`> Hmm, wait
[22:39] <Kaloz> nbd: imho you simply forgot it on the rewrite
[22:39] <nbd> hmm
[22:39] <Kaloz> nbd: is has some xscale stuff, but not everything
[22:39] <Ionic`> root@Dynam|22:13:04:~# killall nas
[22:39] <nbd> Kaloz: can you complete it?
[22:39] <Ionic`> root@Dynam|22:31:09:~# wifi
[22:39] <Ionic`> root@Dynam|22:31:13:~# /etc/init.d/S41wpa start
[22:39] <Ionic`> root@Dynam|22:31:22:~#
[22:39] <Ionic`> Was this right?
[22:39] <nbd> yes
[22:39] <Ionic`> Ok
[22:39] <Kaloz> nbd: sure, just didn't have time for it
[22:39] <jr-> nbd. at least couple weeks ago buildroot-ng generated working kernel and binaries for xscale. just had to add missing files from trunk and few minor adjustments to enable xscale on menus.
[22:39] <nbd> Kaloz: ok
[22:40] <Ionic`> But I can still not connect to it
[22:40] <nbd> jr-: great
[22:40] <Ionic`> TheCompWiz: I said I'm trying to connect to it with my notebook with an integrated IPW2200 card via wpa_supplicant.
[22:40] <Kaloz> jr-: yeah, i have those fixed her,e just for some reason my gateway support doesn't compile
[22:40] <TheCompWiz> you did? when?
[22:41] <Ionic`> [22:31:10] <Ionic`> And now I'm trying to connect to the AP via a IPW2200 card and wpa_supplicant
[22:41] <Kaloz> jr-: and life's a bitch, so payed work gets priority
[22:41] <TheCompWiz> anyhow... did you also say what error you were getting?
[22:42] <jr-> kaloz. i just dropped gateway patch to get it compiled :)
[22:42] <Ionic`> TheCompWiz: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/4OKjwH49.html in there -> he is trying to connect in a loop... in fact, I don't see any error
[22:42] <Kaloz> jr-: i know, but you did it for the fsg :)
[22:42] <Kaloz> jr-: btw, that needs some normal support as well
[22:43] <jr-> kaloz. what's normal support
[22:43] <Kaloz> jr-: create support for it instead of using a patched existing one
[22:44] <TheCompWiz> Ionic`... I'd delve into looking more at the statement "No keys have been configured - skip key clearing"
[22:44] <TheCompWiz> wpa is an extension of wep.
[22:44] <jr-> kaloz. why not have one xscale option that would generate binaries for all supported xscale targets?
[22:44] <Ionic`> Mh
[22:44] <jr-> kaloz. too different targets?
[22:44] <Kaloz> jr-: i was reffereng to kernel code
[22:44] <Ionic`> TheCompWiz: but I set the key
[22:44] <TheCompWiz> so... depending on how much you disabled wep... you could have problems.
[22:45] <Kaloz> jr-: different boards need different irq and pci handling
[22:45] <Kaloz> jr-: one kernel can support multiple boards if you do it right
[22:46] <Ionic`> Awful
[22:46] <Ionic`> Thank you TheCompWiz <3
[22:46] <TheCompWiz> so... what did you do?
[22:46] <Ionic`> nvram set wl0_wep=enabled;nvram commit;killall nas;wifi;/etc/init.d/S41wpa start
[22:46] Action: TheCompWiz is not sure he deserves the "Thank you" ... but appreciates the sentiment.
[22:47] <Ionic`> Well at least... hm
[22:47] <nbd> wl0_wep should not make a difference when wl0_akm is set up for wpa configuration
[22:47] <Ionic`> Yeah, not yep.
[22:47] <jr-> kaloz. i've been using kernel from nslu2-linux lately due state of openwrt xscale support. there's some parts in ixp4xx ethernet driver that don't work correctly when multiple xscale board support is compiled in kernel.
[22:47] <TheCompWiz> Ionic`.. what is wl0_akm set to?
[22:47] <Ionic`> wl0_akm=psk
[22:47] <jr-> kaloz. those could be fixed of course.
[22:47] <Kaloz> jr-: to be honest, i had a reason to not have ethernet support
[22:48] <Kaloz> jr-: both political and technical reasons
[22:48] <Ionic`> I followed the instructions in the FAQ
[22:48] <jr-> kaloz. what about new bsd license driver from intel?
[22:49] <Kaloz> jr-: other political reason :) if you are interested, i can tell you it privately
[22:49] <TheCompWiz> Ionic`... did the laptop have it's key changed?
[22:49] <Ionic`> TheCompWiz: of course
[22:50] <TheCompWiz> that's very odd... my routers have wl0_wep=disabled.
[22:50] <Ionic`> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/qb0Omj88.html this is my /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[22:50] <Ionic`> Hm
[22:50] <Ionic`> I'll disable it
[22:50] <jr-> kaloz. xscale support on openwrt without networking is kinda useless. almost like broadcom without wlan. :)
[22:51] <TheCompWiz> what's wl0_crypto?
[22:51] <Kaloz> jr-: useless for some, usable for others :) and honestly, as i said, i had both political and technical reasons ;)
[22:51] <Ionic`> tkip
[22:54] <Ionic`> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/6o9hef16.html << this is now happening
[22:55] <jr-> kaloz. i can understand that you have specific needs for xscale support, but there wouldn't be many openwrt users if it didn't support wlan because broadcom doesn't publish sources for it. kinda same for xscale. having xscale support on openwrt without ethernet will be useless for many of us.
[22:56] <Kaloz> jr-: fyi the technical problem is solved now (well, let's say it's solved) so you will have ethernet soon
[22:56] <TheCompWiz> Ionic`... why did you comment out the bssid?
[22:57] <jr-> kaloz. cool. hope you can sort out politics part too at some point. :)
[22:57] Action: TheCompWiz knows little/nothing about wpa_supplicant.
[22:57] <Kaloz> jr-: to be honest as one of the problems is gone, maybe i just ignore the politics for now
[22:58] <Ionic`> TheCompWiz: because it makes no difference
[22:58] <TheCompWiz> I wouldn't know.
[22:58] <Ionic`> TheCompWiz: I tried with both
[23:00] <TheCompWiz> Ionic`... this is a 75% guess. but I bet your laptop is not configured correctly.
[23:01] <TheCompWiz> brb.... I need to install 2 nics really quick.
[23:01] <Ionic`> Hmm
[23:02] <Ionic`> I'd rather bet I'm too dump for WPA
[23:03] <Bartman007> Kaloz: I haven't had time to do anything on my end re: 7001 except for 5 minutes poking around redboot. Hopefully this weekend I'll finally be able to upload the image I built...
[23:03] <Kaloz> okie
[23:03] <Bartman007> in fact, I get to head home soon, I'll make time :-)
[23:04] <Kaloz> :)
[23:04] <Bartman007> btw, have you been loading images via tftp?
[23:05] <Kaloz> yes
[23:08] <Bartman007> so I assume it's just jumping into redboot and using the load command? I know that the NSLU has would readily receive firmware via tftp on bootup but I haven't tried anything like that yet, (doubt it will work...)
[23:13] <Kaloz> Bartman007: connect serial, press ctrl-c, and then "l -r -b %{FREEMEMLO} filename" in zImage and root.jffs4-8MB and save them as kernel and rootfs via "fi cr partitionname" (iirc these are the existing partitions)
[23:14] <jr-> kaloz. unless bartman is loading known good image simply loading image+ramdisk over tftp and booting it without writing to flash is probably better idea?
[23:15] <Kaloz> jr-: the worst that cna happen is an oops/kernel panic if i screwed up the irq handling of the second minipci slot
[23:16] <Kaloz> jr-: but he can backup the factory ones imho
[23:17] <Ionic`> Hmpf...
[23:17] <Ionic`> How can I disable WPA and re-enable WEP?
[23:19] <Bartman007> jr-: I already killed the Gateway kernel :-)
[23:19] <jr-> kaloz. yep. btw. is there anything in openixp that you can reuse for xscale support or are you doing all from scratch?
[23:19] <Kaloz> jr-: i did all from scratch
[23:21] <Kaloz> be back a bit later
[23:25] <common> xscale rocks
[23:25] <Ionic_NB> Did I ping timeouted?
[23:25] <Ionic_NB> Hmm
[23:26] <common> not yet
[23:47] <russell> i want to build kismet to work with the buildroot-ng branch. can anyone give me some clues about the right way to go about building random tools?
[23:47] <nbd> russell: first have a look at other buildroot-ng packages and try to understand the new format
[23:48] <nbd> russell: if you have questions about the format, ask me :)
[23:48] <nbd> russell: then port the makefile from the old trunk over to the new format
[23:48] <russell> any particularly similar packages come to mind i should look at first?
[23:49] <russell> i picked wireless-tools somewhat at random
[23:50] <nbd> dropbear is better
[23:50] <nbd> because it also uses configure
[23:50] <russell> k, thanks.
[23:52] <blop> Ydef? :)
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