[00:00] <Kaloz> h3sp4wn: probably i give you an initramfs one to be booted over network until the other slot is working as well
[00:00] <h3sp4wn> I can't tell with ath1 anyway though because I don't have any a cards at the moment (or should it work for both)
[00:00] <Bartman007> h3sp4wn: yes you do
[00:00] <Bartman007> they should both be a/b/g
[00:01] <Kaloz> common: for example a b/g -> http://cgi.ebay.com/Gateway-7001-Wireless-Access-Point-802-11g-Like-New_W0QQitemZ220018103457QQihZ012QQcategoryZ44997QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[00:01] <Kaloz> :)
[00:01] <h3sp4wn> Bartman007: So why is there 2 ?
[00:01] <Kaloz> h3sp4wn: ones is locked at 2.4, the other at 5ghz
[00:01] <Kaloz> :)
[00:01] <Kaloz> s/ones/one/
[00:01] <Bartman007> h3sp4wn: it's an enterprise device
[00:02] <Bartman007> one for the public 11b/g network, one for the internal 11a network
[00:02] <Bartman007> or whatever you want
[00:02] <Bartman007> if you played with the Gateway firmware you would have seen all the options it gives
[00:02] <Kaloz> Bartman007: yeah, but it's funny it never got an updated firmware
[00:03] <Kaloz> Bartman007: it's pretty well designed and contructed device
[00:03] <Bartman007> they can even autocreate an "administration mesh" (settings propigate across routers)
[00:03] <[g2]> Ok so who are all the IXPer's in here ? Kaloz , Bartman007 , common , ????
[00:03] Action: nbd will do some ixp work as well
[00:03] <Bartman007> h3sp4wn too
[00:04] <Bartman007> though my coding knowledge won't help at all, I'll only be good for testing.
[00:04] <Kaloz> h3sp4wn, Bartman007 and I have the Gateway 7001 - currently the only one supported in openwrt
[00:04] <Kaloz> common and nbd has the wrv54g, which uses rgloader instead of redboot
[00:04] <Kaloz> that one isn't supported officially, as it needs additional support
[00:05] <[g2]> and nobody's trying on the G600 ?
[00:05] <[g2]> rev A obviously
[00:05] <Kaloz> only [mbm] has tha tone, and he uses it actively for other purposes
[00:05] <Bartman007> [g2]: I don't think anyone has it
[00:05] <nbd> Kaloz: do you know anything about the DWL-7000AP?
[00:06] <Kaloz> nbd: only the fact it's an xscale.. tried to get one as it's old so should eb cheap
[00:06] <Kaloz> but wasn't able to find it anywhere
[00:06] <[g2]> ok thx
[00:06] <nbd> Kaloz: i have one
[00:07] <Kaloz> nbd: that one has redboot, right?
[00:07] <nbd> nah, runs vxworks
[00:07] <Kaloz> lol :)
[00:07] <Kaloz> 4/16?
[00:07] <nbd> but i don't have a copy of the firmware, since the guy that gave me the board bricked it
[00:08] <Kaloz> Bartman007: don't you want to get me a 7000ap and send it here?
[00:08] <Kaloz> Bartman007: funny, but after months there are some on ebay :P
[00:09] <Bartman007> Kaloz: if you are willing to pay I'll do it
[00:09] <Kaloz> sure
[00:09] <Kaloz> just they ship to us only
[00:09] <Kaloz> http://cgi.ebay.com/D-Link-DWL-7000AP-Tri-Mode-a-b-g-Wireless-Access-Point_W0QQitemZ220018474728QQihZ012QQcategoryZ51164QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[00:09] <Kaloz> :)
[00:09] <Bartman007> insured shipping was 32USD to England.
[00:09] <Kaloz> should be around that to here as well
[00:10] <Bartman007> just don't blow up the 120V transformer like h3sp4wn did :-)
[00:10] <Kaloz> Bartman007: nah, this is cheap but without psu - no problem for me for real :)
[00:10] <Kaloz> nbd: so, cna you give me som hints about it? ixp420/2/5? flash/ram?
[00:10] <h3sp4wn> Bartman007: I am still very surprised its working
[00:11] <Kaloz> h3sp4wn: good psu :)
[00:11] <Kaloz> h3sp4wn: better ones take care to not to kill the device
[00:11] <Kaloz> h3sp4wn: also, iirc the gateway 7001 can poe, so probabyl it's durable :)
[00:12] <h3sp4wn> It seems durable
[00:15] <nbd> Kaloz: checking...
[00:15] <nbd> Kaloz: ixp420
[00:16] <Kaloz> nbd: 4/16?
[00:19] <nbd> 32 mb ram
[00:19] <nbd> checking flash...
[00:21] <nbd> 4 mb
[00:21] <Kaloz> nice :)
[00:25] <nbd> does anybody know what the ispMACH 4000 thing does?
[00:26] <nbd> there is such a chip on the board
[00:26] <nbd> and all the info that i can find points towards some kind of reconfigurable logic chip
[00:26] <nbd> i wonder what it's used for
[00:26] <synth> <drnick> heyyaa everboddy
[00:27] <Kaloz> :)
[00:28] <nbd> Kaloz, [florian]: btw. have you ever contacted harald welte about all the nasty gpl violations in the bcm963xx stuff?
[00:28] <Kaloz> nbd: there was more then one threads on -legal about it
[00:29] <Kaloz> maybe we should open it up again
[00:30] <[mbm]> hmm I thought I did a nice job of summarizing the whole 2 hour discussion into that forum post
[00:33] <nbd> Kaloz: not only the driver issues are weird, but it seems like they also made binary-only netfilter modules
[00:33] <nbd> Kaloz: which is pretty hard to do without violating the gpl
[00:34] <nbd> Kaloz: BrainSlayer2 pointed this out to me
[00:35] <Kaloz> sure, but the fact they've change the export_symbol_gpl stuff to simply export_symbol is even more evil
[00:35] <nbd> yeah
[00:35] <nbd> easy way to piss off kernel developers :)
[00:59] <Bartman007> nbd: sounds like a post on the LKML is in order :-)
[01:29] <CIA-17> nico * r4616 /packages/net/autossh/Makefile: fix autossh, standardize
[08:51] <[florian]> looks like the discussion with db90h yesterday did not go farther
[08:54] <[florian]> I am having constant reboots with a wrt54g rev XH with whiterussian rc5, any hints ?
[08:56] <Bartman007> develop a fix?
[08:57] <[florian]> :)
[08:57] <[florian]> the problem is that I really don't know where my reboots are coming from
[08:57] <[florian]> I thought it was IPv6, it is not
[08:59] <[florian]> I don't know if enabling the 32Mb RAM is responsible of the reboots :(
[09:01] <[florian]> we will see without wifi
[09:03] <[florian]> grrr
[09:04] <Bartman007> what kind of interval on the reboots?
[09:05] <[florian]> 2-3 mins
[09:05] <[florian]> the load average is very low
[09:07] <[florian]> I will try without the 32Mb RAM enabled
[09:15] <[florian]> 13 min uptime
[09:15] <[florian]> woah
[09:21] <Bartman007> but it still rebooted?
[09:23] <[florian]> no it did not, it looks like WiFi is causing troubles
[09:25] <Bartman007> well, we all know broadcom sucks :-)
[09:26] <[florian]> yes
[09:26] <[florian]> another strange thing
[09:26] <[florian]> is that I have set up an IPv6 tunnel on the router, which advertise a /64 prefix
[09:27] <[florian]> so the LAN machines are able to reach the v6 world, but any ping to the v6 world passes with 10% ping loss :(
[09:27] <[florian]> what is interesting, is that allowing the ipv6 protocol with iptables, decreases this loss to 0% :)
[09:28] <Bartman007> heh
[09:28] <[florian]> yeah, it's weird
[09:29] <[florian]> ah no, there is still some loss :)
[09:29] <Bartman007> closest I've had to that is some issues with ipsec tunnels inserting routes that block access to the rest of the subnet
[09:29] <Bartman007> though that issue is/was a misconfiguration on my part.
[09:30] <[florian]> there are plenty of issues in 2.4 kernels that is not pure IPv4 routing/addressing
[09:33] <[florian]> whoah whoah, it's getting even more weird
[09:33] <Bartman007> outside of embedded environments, I haven't used a 2.4 kernel in years
[09:33] <[florian]> on the web server, which is an amd64 gentoo box, I got 10% loss on ipv6 pings, on the debian sparc64 only 1%
[09:33] <[florian]> so there is packet loss anyway
[09:33] <[florian]> but why more with one than another ?
[09:35] <Bartman007> good question.
[09:36] <[florian]> the good point, is that I have found that Wi-Fi is the cause of reboots
[09:40] <[florian]> it's not the funniest game I have played with my wrt actually :)
[10:13] <Bartman007> omg... freenode exploded.
[14:30] <[florian]> BrainSlayer2: can you provide patches for brcm63xx instead of the whole linux tree ?
[16:47] <h3sp4wn> Kaloz: I am up for trying the gateway 7001 under load - if you have it finished (you said mention it to you today)
[18:35] <[florian]> I am getting crazy with spam
[18:39] <Bartman007> [florian]: I've found that using spfilter, RBL's, fairly strict RFC compliance and baesyian filtering have virtually eliminated spam for me.
[19:19] <[florian]> Bartman007: which smtp server do you use ?
[19:21] <Bartman007> postfix
[19:27] <[florian]> me too
[19:51] <dragorn> dspam + custom filters + GPS (postfix greylisting) + vipul, here
[19:51] <dragorn> cuts it down to a dozen a day or so
[19:51] Action: dragorn gets a *lot* of spam
[19:57] <Bartman007> dragorn: it also probably helps that I just create a new alias for each store/mailing list, etc...
[19:57] <Bartman007> so I know exactly who is releasing my info
[20:13] <[florian]> that's a pretty good idea, even if it is quite heavy to set up
[20:14] <Bartman007> [florian]: not really, just every time you order something, change the email and add an entry to your aliases file.
[20:22] <[florian]> nbd: ping ?
[20:25] <nbd> re
[20:26] <nbd> [florian]: pong
[20:29] <[florian]> nbd: did you also receive the mail who talks about a captive portal ?
[20:37] <nbd> from whom?
[20:41] <[florian]>
[20:41] <[florian]> briansrapier
[20:45] <nbd> no
[20:45] <[florian]> ah, strange, I forward you the mail
[20:50] <[florian]> nbd: received ?
[20:50] <nbd> not yet
[20:51] <nbd> did you send it to my @openwrt.org address?
[20:51] <[florian]> at nbd.name
[20:51] <nbd> hmm
[20:51] <nbd> then it should be there soon
[20:54] <nbd> oh, seems like nbd.name is down
[20:54] <nbd> at least for mail
[20:56] <nbd> fixdd
[20:56] <nbd> might take a while before it retries, though
[21:14] <nbd> [florian]: got it
[21:22] <synth> The clerics have said the man the woman marries temporarily must be 70 years of age, Parida said.
[21:22] <synth> sorry wrong window :)
[00:00] --- Tue Aug 22 2006
[00:00] <h3sp4wn> I can't tell with ath1 anyway though because I don't have any a cards at the moment (or should it work for both)
[00:00] <Bartman007> h3sp4wn: yes you do
[00:00] <Bartman007> they should both be a/b/g
[00:01] <Kaloz> common: for example a b/g -> http://cgi.ebay.com/Gateway-7001-Wireless-Access-Point-802-11g-Like-New_W0QQitemZ220018103457QQihZ012QQcategoryZ44997QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[00:01] <Kaloz> :)
[00:01] <h3sp4wn> Bartman007: So why is there 2 ?
[00:01] <Kaloz> h3sp4wn: ones is locked at 2.4, the other at 5ghz
[00:01] <Kaloz> :)
[00:01] <Kaloz> s/ones/one/
[00:01] <Bartman007> h3sp4wn: it's an enterprise device
[00:02] <Bartman007> one for the public 11b/g network, one for the internal 11a network
[00:02] <Bartman007> or whatever you want
[00:02] <Bartman007> if you played with the Gateway firmware you would have seen all the options it gives
[00:02] <Kaloz> Bartman007: yeah, but it's funny it never got an updated firmware
[00:03] <Kaloz> Bartman007: it's pretty well designed and contructed device
[00:03] <Bartman007> they can even autocreate an "administration mesh" (settings propigate across routers)
[00:03] <[g2]> Ok so who are all the IXPer's in here ? Kaloz , Bartman007 , common , ????
[00:03] Action: nbd will do some ixp work as well
[00:03] <Bartman007> h3sp4wn too
[00:04] <Bartman007> though my coding knowledge won't help at all, I'll only be good for testing.
[00:04] <Kaloz> h3sp4wn, Bartman007 and I have the Gateway 7001 - currently the only one supported in openwrt
[00:04] <Kaloz> common and nbd has the wrv54g, which uses rgloader instead of redboot
[00:04] <Kaloz> that one isn't supported officially, as it needs additional support
[00:05] <[g2]> and nobody's trying on the G600 ?
[00:05] <[g2]> rev A obviously
[00:05] <Kaloz> only [mbm] has tha tone, and he uses it actively for other purposes
[00:05] <Bartman007> [g2]: I don't think anyone has it
[00:05] <nbd> Kaloz: do you know anything about the DWL-7000AP?
[00:06] <Kaloz> nbd: only the fact it's an xscale.. tried to get one as it's old so should eb cheap
[00:06] <Kaloz> but wasn't able to find it anywhere
[00:06] <[g2]> ok thx
[00:06] <nbd> Kaloz: i have one
[00:07] <Kaloz> nbd: that one has redboot, right?
[00:07] <nbd> nah, runs vxworks
[00:07] <Kaloz> lol :)
[00:07] <Kaloz> 4/16?
[00:07] <nbd> but i don't have a copy of the firmware, since the guy that gave me the board bricked it
[00:08] <Kaloz> Bartman007: don't you want to get me a 7000ap and send it here?
[00:08] <Kaloz> Bartman007: funny, but after months there are some on ebay :P
[00:09] <Bartman007> Kaloz: if you are willing to pay I'll do it
[00:09] <Kaloz> sure
[00:09] <Kaloz> just they ship to us only
[00:09] <Kaloz> http://cgi.ebay.com/D-Link-DWL-7000AP-Tri-Mode-a-b-g-Wireless-Access-Point_W0QQitemZ220018474728QQihZ012QQcategoryZ51164QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[00:09] <Kaloz> :)
[00:09] <Bartman007> insured shipping was 32USD to England.
[00:09] <Kaloz> should be around that to here as well
[00:10] <Bartman007> just don't blow up the 120V transformer like h3sp4wn did :-)
[00:10] <Kaloz> Bartman007: nah, this is cheap but without psu - no problem for me for real :)
[00:10] <Kaloz> nbd: so, cna you give me som hints about it? ixp420/2/5? flash/ram?
[00:10] <h3sp4wn> Bartman007: I am still very surprised its working
[00:11] <Kaloz> h3sp4wn: good psu :)
[00:11] <Kaloz> h3sp4wn: better ones take care to not to kill the device
[00:11] <Kaloz> h3sp4wn: also, iirc the gateway 7001 can poe, so probabyl it's durable :)
[00:12] <h3sp4wn> It seems durable
[00:15] <nbd> Kaloz: checking...
[00:15] <nbd> Kaloz: ixp420
[00:16] <Kaloz> nbd: 4/16?
[00:19] <nbd> 32 mb ram
[00:19] <nbd> checking flash...
[00:21] <nbd> 4 mb
[00:21] <Kaloz> nice :)
[00:25] <nbd> does anybody know what the ispMACH 4000 thing does?
[00:26] <nbd> there is such a chip on the board
[00:26] <nbd> and all the info that i can find points towards some kind of reconfigurable logic chip
[00:26] <nbd> i wonder what it's used for
[00:26] <synth> <drnick> heyyaa everboddy
[00:27] <Kaloz> :)
[00:28] <nbd> Kaloz, [florian]: btw. have you ever contacted harald welte about all the nasty gpl violations in the bcm963xx stuff?
[00:28] <Kaloz> nbd: there was more then one threads on -legal about it
[00:29] <Kaloz> maybe we should open it up again
[00:30] <[mbm]> hmm I thought I did a nice job of summarizing the whole 2 hour discussion into that forum post
[00:33] <nbd> Kaloz: not only the driver issues are weird, but it seems like they also made binary-only netfilter modules
[00:33] <nbd> Kaloz: which is pretty hard to do without violating the gpl
[00:34] <nbd> Kaloz: BrainSlayer2 pointed this out to me
[00:35] <Kaloz> sure, but the fact they've change the export_symbol_gpl stuff to simply export_symbol is even more evil
[00:35] <nbd> yeah
[00:35] <nbd> easy way to piss off kernel developers :)
[00:59] <Bartman007> nbd: sounds like a post on the LKML is in order :-)
[01:29] <CIA-17> nico * r4616 /packages/net/autossh/Makefile: fix autossh, standardize
[08:51] <[florian]> looks like the discussion with db90h yesterday did not go farther
[08:54] <[florian]> I am having constant reboots with a wrt54g rev XH with whiterussian rc5, any hints ?
[08:56] <Bartman007> develop a fix?
[08:57] <[florian]> :)
[08:57] <[florian]> the problem is that I really don't know where my reboots are coming from
[08:57] <[florian]> I thought it was IPv6, it is not
[08:59] <[florian]> I don't know if enabling the 32Mb RAM is responsible of the reboots :(
[09:01] <[florian]> we will see without wifi
[09:03] <[florian]> grrr
[09:04] <Bartman007> what kind of interval on the reboots?
[09:05] <[florian]> 2-3 mins
[09:05] <[florian]> the load average is very low
[09:07] <[florian]> I will try without the 32Mb RAM enabled
[09:15] <[florian]> 13 min uptime
[09:15] <[florian]> woah
[09:21] <Bartman007> but it still rebooted?
[09:23] <[florian]> no it did not, it looks like WiFi is causing troubles
[09:25] <Bartman007> well, we all know broadcom sucks :-)
[09:26] <[florian]> yes
[09:26] <[florian]> another strange thing
[09:26] <[florian]> is that I have set up an IPv6 tunnel on the router, which advertise a /64 prefix
[09:27] <[florian]> so the LAN machines are able to reach the v6 world, but any ping to the v6 world passes with 10% ping loss :(
[09:27] <[florian]> what is interesting, is that allowing the ipv6 protocol with iptables, decreases this loss to 0% :)
[09:28] <Bartman007> heh
[09:28] <[florian]> yeah, it's weird
[09:29] <[florian]> ah no, there is still some loss :)
[09:29] <Bartman007> closest I've had to that is some issues with ipsec tunnels inserting routes that block access to the rest of the subnet
[09:29] <Bartman007> though that issue is/was a misconfiguration on my part.
[09:30] <[florian]> there are plenty of issues in 2.4 kernels that is not pure IPv4 routing/addressing
[09:33] <[florian]> whoah whoah, it's getting even more weird
[09:33] <Bartman007> outside of embedded environments, I haven't used a 2.4 kernel in years
[09:33] <[florian]> on the web server, which is an amd64 gentoo box, I got 10% loss on ipv6 pings, on the debian sparc64 only 1%
[09:33] <[florian]> so there is packet loss anyway
[09:33] <[florian]> but why more with one than another ?
[09:35] <Bartman007> good question.
[09:36] <[florian]> the good point, is that I have found that Wi-Fi is the cause of reboots
[09:40] <[florian]> it's not the funniest game I have played with my wrt actually :)
[10:13] <Bartman007> omg... freenode exploded.
[14:30] <[florian]> BrainSlayer2: can you provide patches for brcm63xx instead of the whole linux tree ?
[16:47] <h3sp4wn> Kaloz: I am up for trying the gateway 7001 under load - if you have it finished (you said mention it to you today)
[18:35] <[florian]> I am getting crazy with spam
[18:39] <Bartman007> [florian]: I've found that using spfilter, RBL's, fairly strict RFC compliance and baesyian filtering have virtually eliminated spam for me.
[19:19] <[florian]> Bartman007: which smtp server do you use ?
[19:21] <Bartman007> postfix
[19:27] <[florian]> me too
[19:51] <dragorn> dspam + custom filters + GPS (postfix greylisting) + vipul, here
[19:51] <dragorn> cuts it down to a dozen a day or so
[19:51] Action: dragorn gets a *lot* of spam
[19:57] <Bartman007> dragorn: it also probably helps that I just create a new alias for each store/mailing list, etc...
[19:57] <Bartman007> so I know exactly who is releasing my info
[20:13] <[florian]> that's a pretty good idea, even if it is quite heavy to set up
[20:14] <Bartman007> [florian]: not really, just every time you order something, change the email and add an entry to your aliases file.
[20:22] <[florian]> nbd: ping ?
[20:25] <nbd> re
[20:26] <nbd> [florian]: pong
[20:29] <[florian]> nbd: did you also receive the mail who talks about a captive portal ?
[20:37] <nbd> from whom?
[20:41] <[florian]>
[20:41] <[florian]> briansrapier
[20:45] <nbd> no
[20:45] <[florian]> ah, strange, I forward you the mail
[20:50] <[florian]> nbd: received ?
[20:50] <nbd> not yet
[20:51] <nbd> did you send it to my @openwrt.org address?
[20:51] <[florian]> at nbd.name
[20:51] <nbd> hmm
[20:51] <nbd> then it should be there soon
[20:54] <nbd> oh, seems like nbd.name is down
[20:54] <nbd> at least for mail
[20:56] <nbd> fixdd
[20:56] <nbd> might take a while before it retries, though
[21:14] <nbd> [florian]: got it
[21:22] <synth> The clerics have said the man the woman marries temporarily must be 70 years of age, Parida said.
[21:22] <synth> sorry wrong window :)
[00:00] --- Tue Aug 22 2006