[08:59] <florian__> shut up wrt
[08:59] <db90h> wrt is a cruel joke
[08:59] <db90h> it just isn't right
[09:00] <florian__> I think it could have picked up some of your previous jokes ;)
[09:01] <florian__> anyone here knows about WiMax stuff ? I want to hack some products :)
[09:02] <florian__> I found this : http://www.netkrom.com/prod_pre-wimax_multiband_radio.html
[09:02] <florian__> but it is very expensive for a hackaton
[09:05] <db90h> cool, i'll take two
[09:13] <florian__> lol
[09:14] <florian__> did not say that you had no money for that yesterday ;) ?
[09:24] <db90h> oh, u mean i have to pay for them? ;(
[09:25] <florian__> I am sorry, I can't afford for these devices yet
[09:25] <florian__> and therefore cannot send you one
[09:27] <db90h> that's ok, i'll enjoy knowing that you would buy me two if you only could ;p
[09:27] <florian__> well if only I had the money, sure I would :)
[09:28] <florian__> and as I don't have the money for them, and never said I would have the money, I am not promising anything :p
[09:36] <db90h> it's the thought that counts ;)
[09:53] <malbon> it's not wimax at all. :(
[09:54] <malbon> looks to me like Atheros' with custom hal.
[09:54] <florian__> malbon: what, netktrom products ?
[09:55] <malbon> yup
[09:55] <florian__> ah
[09:55] <malbon> they may have hacked the protocol to make it more TDMA like, but a few companies are doing that now.
[09:55] <florian__> seems to be dual band : Wi-Fi/Wimax
[09:55] <florian__> ok
[09:56] <malbon> read a+g wifi.
[09:57] <florian__> Special Request: 2300-2700MHz & 4900-6100MHz
[09:57] <malbon> the wimax bit will come in when you get mini-pci radios for it
[09:57] <malbon> yeah, custom hal, and tuned radio
[09:58] <florian__> ok
[10:53] <db90h> someone needs to create a "Say NO to Sveasoft" type little badge image that we can all publish on our sites, linking to some page with sveasoft facts
[10:54] <db90h> of course, he will 'come get us' for doing that
[10:55] <J4k3> yeah, I got something he can come get
[10:55] <J4k3> and when he's done I'll give him $20
[10:55] <J4k3> muhahahaha.
[10:58] Action: florian__ wonders if a gcc-4.1.1 altivec system is faster than a 3.4.4 one
[10:59] <db90h> J4k3: u know, now that i think about it, the best thing that we can do is simply ignore him
[10:59] <nbd> correct
[10:59] <db90h> whohoo! that's the first time i've been correct in 3 years<g>
[11:00] <J4k3> db90h: yep, exactly.
[11:00] <J4k3> db90h: "noobs" are gonna get screwed by him, and there will even be people that like his software
[11:00] <florian__> hey guys altivec is cool ;)
[11:02] <db90h> yea, it's just sickening.. but there are a lot of sickening things in the world.. guess in the end its best to focus on not being one of those sickening things yourself than worry about rendering justice upon the sinners ;p
[11:05] <J4k3> yeah
[11:06] <florian__> yeah
[11:07] <db90h> i'm getting kinda weirded out by all this agreement ;p
[11:08] <db90h> let me go back into my normal mode of repeating non-sensical, annoying, sometimes offensive bullshieBen .. feels much more comfortable ;p
[11:08] <J4k3> heh.. It could be worse
[11:08] <J4k3> you could be compiling a kernel on a PPC405GP @ 266
[11:09] <florian__> J4k3: sure, here it's a 1.33 G4
[11:09] <florian__> so it's pretty fast
[11:09] <florian__> evenf or openoffice :)
[11:10] <J4k3> my openwrt build box (and laptop) is a P-M 1.7... its fast.
[11:11] <J4k3> and does your G4 run off a 15 watt wall wart? :)
[11:11] <J4k3> http://www.elinux.org/wiki/DHT-Walnut <- my toy
[11:12] <J4k3> I'm setting it up as a backup DNS and mail server.
[11:12] <J4k3> another one as a T1 router using an old etinc sync serial card
[11:13] <florian__> J4k3: no, but is has 5 proud hours of battery :)
[11:14] <J4k3> hehe, 6 hours of idling on this laptop, 2.25 hours of -j2 compiling
[11:14] <J4k3> 6 hours of idling with the LCD 'locked' on
[11:15] <florian__> ah
[11:15] <florian__> great
[11:15] <J4k3> yeah I'm loving this laptop
[11:15] <J4k3> my friend is an idiot for selling it, especially for as cheap as he did... but... they do go cheap on ebay and thats the price he quoted.
[11:16] <J4k3> (Inspiron 2200... bleh, its dell crap, but it works so far)
[18:43] <florian__> nbd: ping ?
[18:47] <nbd> pong
[18:52] <CIA-17> mbm * r4122 /branches/buildroot-ng/openwrt/include/verbose.mk: fix broken .pkginfo under certain situations
[19:12] <florian__> nbd: I think I will have to created a physical description for the brcm63xx mtd
[19:12] <florian__> it woulbe be easier
[19:39] <florian__> nbd: what do you think about it ?
[19:40] <nbd> what kind of physical description?
[19:40] <nbd> and what for?
[19:40] <florian__> well I mean a physically mapped flashed,just like there is on brcm boards
[19:41] <florian__> in order to be independent from the bootloader also
[19:41] <florian__> I don't know if it makes sense
[19:44] <nbd> depends on what kind of images the boot loader expects
[19:45] <nbd> if the boot loader has a partition table, it makes sense to use it
[19:45] <nbd> if not, we should probably figure things out at run timew
[19:45] <florian__> ok
[19:50] <florian__> if we take the example of the livebox, it's redboot based
[19:50] <florian__> does it need particular driver to get the partition list from the bootloader,or just the sector to read the partition table from ?
[19:51] <[mbm]> there's an option in the kernel to parse redboot partitions
[19:51] <florian__> right
[19:56] <florian__> I activated it but it does not look like to get it
[19:56] <florian__> should there be something showed in the dmesg ?
[19:57] <[mbm]> think so
[19:57] <florian__> so, if I well understand, I both need redboot partition table parsing, plus CFI flash driver ?
[20:03] <malbon> usually there is a redboot section in the flash driver, to point it at the likely place for the partition table. IIRC.
[20:03] <malbon> .win 4
[20:03] <malbon> doh! :)
[20:57] <florian__> ok
[21:30] <florian__> anyone here has experience with the ROME bootloader ?
[21:46] <florian__> I am trying to hack a little bit the wrt54gx2
[21:46] <florian__> I succeeded in compiling a kernel, though it was with a standard mips toolchain, and not a patent-free toolchain
[21:47] <florian__> looks like it does not boot ;)
[22:26] Action: [mbm] remembers ROME
[22:27] <[mbm]> not much of an interface on that one
[22:28] <florian__> right
[22:28] <florian__> just manages bootp
[22:28] <florian__> I think I have to recompile a wrt54gx2 kernel with non-mips toolchain
[22:29] <[mbm]> shouldn't take much work to get the openwrt kernel up and running
[22:29] <[mbm]> mostly just programming the serial initializations
[22:29] <florian__> hu not sure
[22:30] <florian__> in fact, the most 'hard' part is because of the re865x chip which makes everything :TCP/IP stack, NAT ...
[22:30] <[mbm]> well, I meant running in the sense of a serial console .. getting all the damned network interfaces working is a pain
[22:31] <florian__> ah yes, most of the time, running before mounting partitions seems to be quite feasable even for a newbie like me ;)
[22:57] <[mbm]> nbd: noticed an odd quirk - the /etc/banner doesn't change to reflect an svn update
[23:17] <CIA-17> mbm * r4123 /branches/buildroot-ng/openwrt/ (include/package.mk package/base-files/Makefile): add a new FORCEREBUILD option to Package/<name> to force a package to be rebuilt each time make is run
[23:19] <[mbm]> not exactly ideal but it works for now
[23:20] <[mbm]> (means that it clobbers parts of build_mipsel/root each time)
[23:40] <chouimat> question about buildroot-ng what are the change with the old buildroot?
[23:44] <[mbm]> chouimat: are you asking what changed since the old buildroot?
[23:46] <chouimat> [mbm]: mostly what are the biggest differences
[23:46] <[mbm]> massive rewrite of the various makefiles that build the firmware
[23:47] <[mbm]> mostly designed to get around some annoying tendancies of the previous buildroot
[23:47] <[mbm]> so, cleaner makefiles, simpler format, better dependancy handling ...
[23:49] <chouimat> i see
[23:49] <chouimat> [mbm]: thanks ...
[00:00] --- Tue Jul 11 2006
[08:59] <db90h> wrt is a cruel joke
[08:59] <db90h> it just isn't right
[09:00] <florian__> I think it could have picked up some of your previous jokes ;)
[09:01] <florian__> anyone here knows about WiMax stuff ? I want to hack some products :)
[09:02] <florian__> I found this : http://www.netkrom.com/prod_pre-wimax_multiband_radio.html
[09:02] <florian__> but it is very expensive for a hackaton
[09:05] <db90h> cool, i'll take two
[09:13] <florian__> lol
[09:14] <florian__> did not say that you had no money for that yesterday ;) ?
[09:24] <db90h> oh, u mean i have to pay for them? ;(
[09:25] <florian__> I am sorry, I can't afford for these devices yet
[09:25] <florian__> and therefore cannot send you one
[09:27] <db90h> that's ok, i'll enjoy knowing that you would buy me two if you only could ;p
[09:27] <florian__> well if only I had the money, sure I would :)
[09:28] <florian__> and as I don't have the money for them, and never said I would have the money, I am not promising anything :p
[09:36] <db90h> it's the thought that counts ;)
[09:53] <malbon> it's not wimax at all. :(
[09:54] <malbon> looks to me like Atheros' with custom hal.
[09:54] <florian__> malbon: what, netktrom products ?
[09:55] <malbon> yup
[09:55] <florian__> ah
[09:55] <malbon> they may have hacked the protocol to make it more TDMA like, but a few companies are doing that now.
[09:55] <florian__> seems to be dual band : Wi-Fi/Wimax
[09:55] <florian__> ok
[09:56] <malbon> read a+g wifi.
[09:57] <florian__> Special Request: 2300-2700MHz & 4900-6100MHz
[09:57] <malbon> the wimax bit will come in when you get mini-pci radios for it
[09:57] <malbon> yeah, custom hal, and tuned radio
[09:58] <florian__> ok
[10:53] <db90h> someone needs to create a "Say NO to Sveasoft" type little badge image that we can all publish on our sites, linking to some page with sveasoft facts
[10:54] <db90h> of course, he will 'come get us' for doing that
[10:55] <J4k3> yeah, I got something he can come get
[10:55] <J4k3> and when he's done I'll give him $20
[10:55] <J4k3> muhahahaha.
[10:58] Action: florian__ wonders if a gcc-4.1.1 altivec system is faster than a 3.4.4 one
[10:59] <db90h> J4k3: u know, now that i think about it, the best thing that we can do is simply ignore him
[10:59] <nbd> correct
[10:59] <db90h> whohoo! that's the first time i've been correct in 3 years<g>
[11:00] <J4k3> db90h: yep, exactly.
[11:00] <J4k3> db90h: "noobs" are gonna get screwed by him, and there will even be people that like his software
[11:00] <florian__> hey guys altivec is cool ;)
[11:02] <db90h> yea, it's just sickening.. but there are a lot of sickening things in the world.. guess in the end its best to focus on not being one of those sickening things yourself than worry about rendering justice upon the sinners ;p
[11:05] <J4k3> yeah
[11:06] <florian__> yeah
[11:07] <db90h> i'm getting kinda weirded out by all this agreement ;p
[11:08] <db90h> let me go back into my normal mode of repeating non-sensical, annoying, sometimes offensive bullshieBen .. feels much more comfortable ;p
[11:08] <J4k3> heh.. It could be worse
[11:08] <J4k3> you could be compiling a kernel on a PPC405GP @ 266
[11:09] <florian__> J4k3: sure, here it's a 1.33 G4
[11:09] <florian__> so it's pretty fast
[11:09] <florian__> evenf or openoffice :)
[11:10] <J4k3> my openwrt build box (and laptop) is a P-M 1.7... its fast.
[11:11] <J4k3> and does your G4 run off a 15 watt wall wart? :)
[11:11] <J4k3> http://www.elinux.org/wiki/DHT-Walnut <- my toy
[11:12] <J4k3> I'm setting it up as a backup DNS and mail server.
[11:12] <J4k3> another one as a T1 router using an old etinc sync serial card
[11:13] <florian__> J4k3: no, but is has 5 proud hours of battery :)
[11:14] <J4k3> hehe, 6 hours of idling on this laptop, 2.25 hours of -j2 compiling
[11:14] <J4k3> 6 hours of idling with the LCD 'locked' on
[11:15] <florian__> ah
[11:15] <florian__> great
[11:15] <J4k3> yeah I'm loving this laptop
[11:15] <J4k3> my friend is an idiot for selling it, especially for as cheap as he did... but... they do go cheap on ebay and thats the price he quoted.
[11:16] <J4k3> (Inspiron 2200... bleh, its dell crap, but it works so far)
[18:43] <florian__> nbd: ping ?
[18:47] <nbd> pong
[18:52] <CIA-17> mbm * r4122 /branches/buildroot-ng/openwrt/include/verbose.mk: fix broken .pkginfo under certain situations
[19:12] <florian__> nbd: I think I will have to created a physical description for the brcm63xx mtd
[19:12] <florian__> it woulbe be easier
[19:39] <florian__> nbd: what do you think about it ?
[19:40] <nbd> what kind of physical description?
[19:40] <nbd> and what for?
[19:40] <florian__> well I mean a physically mapped flashed,just like there is on brcm boards
[19:41] <florian__> in order to be independent from the bootloader also
[19:41] <florian__> I don't know if it makes sense
[19:44] <nbd> depends on what kind of images the boot loader expects
[19:45] <nbd> if the boot loader has a partition table, it makes sense to use it
[19:45] <nbd> if not, we should probably figure things out at run timew
[19:45] <florian__> ok
[19:50] <florian__> if we take the example of the livebox, it's redboot based
[19:50] <florian__> does it need particular driver to get the partition list from the bootloader,or just the sector to read the partition table from ?
[19:51] <[mbm]> there's an option in the kernel to parse redboot partitions
[19:51] <florian__> right
[19:56] <florian__> I activated it but it does not look like to get it
[19:56] <florian__> should there be something showed in the dmesg ?
[19:57] <[mbm]> think so
[19:57] <florian__> so, if I well understand, I both need redboot partition table parsing, plus CFI flash driver ?
[20:03] <malbon> usually there is a redboot section in the flash driver, to point it at the likely place for the partition table. IIRC.
[20:03] <malbon> .win 4
[20:03] <malbon> doh! :)
[20:57] <florian__> ok
[21:30] <florian__> anyone here has experience with the ROME bootloader ?
[21:46] <florian__> I am trying to hack a little bit the wrt54gx2
[21:46] <florian__> I succeeded in compiling a kernel, though it was with a standard mips toolchain, and not a patent-free toolchain
[21:47] <florian__> looks like it does not boot ;)
[22:26] Action: [mbm] remembers ROME
[22:27] <[mbm]> not much of an interface on that one
[22:28] <florian__> right
[22:28] <florian__> just manages bootp
[22:28] <florian__> I think I have to recompile a wrt54gx2 kernel with non-mips toolchain
[22:29] <[mbm]> shouldn't take much work to get the openwrt kernel up and running
[22:29] <[mbm]> mostly just programming the serial initializations
[22:29] <florian__> hu not sure
[22:30] <florian__> in fact, the most 'hard' part is because of the re865x chip which makes everything :TCP/IP stack, NAT ...
[22:30] <[mbm]> well, I meant running in the sense of a serial console .. getting all the damned network interfaces working is a pain
[22:31] <florian__> ah yes, most of the time, running before mounting partitions seems to be quite feasable even for a newbie like me ;)
[22:57] <[mbm]> nbd: noticed an odd quirk - the /etc/banner doesn't change to reflect an svn update
[23:17] <CIA-17> mbm * r4123 /branches/buildroot-ng/openwrt/ (include/package.mk package/base-files/Makefile): add a new FORCEREBUILD option to Package/<name> to force a package to be rebuilt each time make is run
[23:19] <[mbm]> not exactly ideal but it works for now
[23:20] <[mbm]> (means that it clobbers parts of build_mipsel/root each time)
[23:40] <chouimat> question about buildroot-ng what are the change with the old buildroot?
[23:44] <[mbm]> chouimat: are you asking what changed since the old buildroot?
[23:46] <chouimat> [mbm]: mostly what are the biggest differences
[23:46] <[mbm]> massive rewrite of the various makefiles that build the firmware
[23:47] <[mbm]> mostly designed to get around some annoying tendancies of the previous buildroot
[23:47] <[mbm]> so, cleaner makefiles, simpler format, better dependancy handling ...
[23:49] <chouimat> i see
[23:49] <chouimat> [mbm]: thanks ...
[00:00] --- Tue Jul 11 2006