[00:34] <frop> WoW
[00:34] <frop> -rw------- 1 mrmr users 1757184 Jun 2 00:31 openwrt-brcm-2.6-squashfs.trx
[00:34] <frop> with buildroot-ng
[00:35] <nbd> it builds images, yes
[00:35] <nbd> but it's not complete yet :)
[00:37] <frop> brcm-2.6-ng/openwrt/bin/packages/base-files-brcm-2.6_-8_mipsel.ipk
[00:37] <frop> brcm-2.6/openwrt/bin/packages/base-files-brcm-2.6_2_mipsel.ipk
[00:37] <frop> ...first report? an error in package name?
[00:39] <[mbm]> buildroot-ng is awsome ;)
[00:41] <h3sp4wn> Where can a checkout be done from ?
[00:41] <[mbm]> it's in svn, under branches/buildroot-ng
[00:41] <h3sp4wn> thanks I will have a look
[01:11] Action: [mbm] starts installing the new ubuntu
[01:16] <frop> nooo
[01:16] <frop> ubuntu nooo
[01:16] <nbd> ?
[01:17] <frop> nbd np...just trolling
[01:17] <nbd> that's not what this channel is for
[01:17] <nbd> :)
[01:18] <frop> ...but...a question come to me...why ubuntu??
[01:20] <[mbm]> because it came out the other day
[01:20] <CIA-16> nbd * r3888 /branches/buildroot-ng/openwrt/package/base-files/Makefile: fix base-files version number
[01:20] <nbd> :)
[01:20] <[mbm]> although honestly their default color scheme is horrible .. dark brown on black?
[01:20] <frop> well...at least...it's dark one
[01:21] <[mbm]> well, it limits my lcd viewing angle
[01:21] <frop> good for your's eyes health
[01:21] <[mbm]> few degrees and it becomes black on black
[01:21] <frop> ahah
[01:21] <h3sp4wn> Its changed to bright orange you may be happy to know
[01:21] <[mbm]> h3sp4wn: I'm running it now, it's dawk brown
[01:22] <h3sp4wn> The new version ?
[01:22] <[mbm]> yeah
[01:22] <[mbm]> it's not an rc
[01:24] <h3sp4wn> It was different at one point maybe it got changed back (irrelevant anyway)
[01:28] <CIA-16> nico * r3889 /trunk/openwrt/package/freeradius/patches/07-freeradius-1.1.1-no_openssl_engine_check.patch:
[01:28] <CIA-16> disable check for openssl/engine.h in configure so that the package can be
[01:28] <CIA-16> backported to whiterussian.
[01:34] <common> [mbm]: any docs regarding gdbserver & gdbclient so i can resolve symbols?
[01:39] <common> nbd?
[01:39] Action: nbd has never used gdb
[01:40] <common> you should improve support for debugging code on the box
[01:40] Action: nbd has never needed gdb
[01:41] <thepeople> nbd: I see you are the current owner of the ticket for porting webif to kamikaze, I am wondering what the current status of that package being ported is
[01:42] <nbd> webif will have to be rewritten
[01:42] <nbd> there are going to be some major structural changes to the way kamikaze handles the configuration
[01:42] <nbd> and webif has a few problems of its own
[01:43] <thepeople> Will the changes in kamikaze be the same across all platforms
[01:43] <thepeople> for the configuation
[01:45] <thepeople> I have been working on porting webif to the X86 version of webif and have parts of it working, although I need to do some refining of my code currently
[01:45] <thepeople> X86 version of kamikaze, I meant
[01:47] <nbd> but that'll stop working once the new config stuff hits kamikaze
[01:48] <thepeople> alright, so the configuration changes are yet to come, I guess I will wait for that to happen then before I continue
[01:48] <thepeople> thanks
[01:50] <thepeople> any type of timeline on the new config stuff hitting kamikaze, or just when its done
[01:54] <nbd> just when it's done
[01:55] <thepeople> ok, thank you for the information :-)
[01:55] <nbd> :)
[01:55] <nbd> you're welcome
[01:56] <frop> -rw------- 1 4998 Jun 2 01:43 bin/packages/mtd_-4_mipsel.ipk
[01:59] <[mbm]> eww, it's disgusting how many apps on the ubunto gnome desktop are blatent copies of the windows versions
[02:01] <CIA-16> nbd * r3890 /branches/buildroot-ng/openwrt/package/rules.mk: fix version info for packages that either lack PKG_VERSION or PKG_RELEASE
[02:01] <nbd> frop: :)
[02:01] <nbd> [mbm]: yeah. it all comes from the notion of having to 'compete' with it...
[02:02] <frop> [mbm] i was told you..."why ubuntu?"
[02:02] <nbd> frop: this is not ubuntu-specific
[02:02] <[mbm]> the ripoff is a gnome thing
[02:02] <nbd> well, a kde thing as well
[02:03] <nbd> in large parts
[02:03] <frop> mmmh...maybe...so...apt-get remove gnome
[02:03] <frop> :)
[02:03] <[mbm]> kde is slightly less blatent, but yes
[02:03] Action: nbd uses xfce on some machines, wmaker on others
[02:03] <[mbm]> I'm looking at the remote desktop connection and they even copied the artwork
[02:03] <frop> when i use a linux desktop (never)...i install just a light wm...
[02:04] <nbd> frop: so how do you like the automatic rebuild of buildroot-ng?
[02:04] <frop> automatic rebuild?
[02:04] <nbd> you don't have to call the clean targets manually anymore for package makefile changes
[02:05] <nbd> it'll do the right thing automatically
[02:05] <frop> so...just "make menuconfig ; make"?
[02:05] <[mbm]> yep
[02:05] <frop> eheh
[02:05] <frop> make package/base-files-clean target/linux-clean
[02:05] <frop> just used this
[02:05] <nbd> [mbm]: maybe we should extend that to make oldconfig as well
[02:06] <nbd> frop: the target/linux-clean isn't done automatically yet
[02:06] <[mbm]> frop: you don't need that .. you could just edit anything in packages or build_mipsel and run make
[02:06] <nbd> frop: but package/base-files-clean is
[02:06] <frop> good
[02:07] <frop> btw, i find not so clear how to add static-module in kernel
[02:08] Action: [mbm] wishes people would take an interest in the linux desktop other than bloated desktop managers, eyecandy and copying windows/mac
[02:08] <frop> cause, there "Kernel Configuration / Device Support" and then "Drivers"
[02:09] <nbd> 'drivers' is currently for externally built kernel stuff
[02:10] <frop> ok...but, if i choose something as "*" it's not included statically in kernel...it's just a kmod-something added to the image...
[02:10] <frop> ...isn't it?
[02:10] <nbd> right
[02:11] <frop> ok...so atm isn't possible to have it static in kernel?
[02:11] <nbd> not without manually editing the config
[02:12] <[mbm]> everything is setup for an imagebuilder build .. all the pieces are static and the config just picks which ones to put into the firmware
[02:13] <frop> ok...or we could just use "make menuconfig" in kernel specific dir
[02:13] <[mbm]> there's no support for an item which changes depending on configuration
[02:13] <frop> [mbm] it should be written in future docs about buildroot-ng
[02:14] <[mbm]> well, right now there's no docs on buildroot-ng ...
[02:15] <frop> eheh...it'll come when buildroot go to death
[02:15] <[mbm]> ?
[02:16] <frop> https://dev.openwrt.org/browser/trunk/openwrt/docs/buildroot-documentation.html?format=raw
[02:16] <frop> this...will change i guess
[02:17] <nbd> yeah
[02:18] <frop> ...also, i find that buildroot-documentation.html lacks something on possible "targets"
[02:18] <frop> not all are able to read a Makefile...me too
[02:21] <frop> ...but, in this way, we arrive to an already spoken problems...strong documentation helps a lot, and it's an important part of a open-source project
[02:22] <frop> ...for example...i dislike gentoo...but many user use gentoo, cause the amazing wiki and BIG forum
[02:23] Action: [mbm] wonders who frop is talking to, or why
[02:24] <frop> [mbm] just wondering
[03:32] <CIA-16> nico * r3891 /trunk/openwrt/package/ (7 files in 3 dirs): add libmcrypt package (thanks to Martin Matuska).
[04:34] <CIA-16> nico * r3892 /trunk/openwrt/package/avahi/Makefile: update avahi to v0.6.10.
[04:53] <CIA-16> nico * r3893 /trunk/openwrt/package/wakelan/ (. Config.in Makefile ipkg/ ipkg/wakelan.control): add wakelan package (closes: #577).
[06:02] <ro12> how do i upload an sh script to my wrt54g?
[09:02] <nwf> Hey all... I've a buildroot question. Running "make target_install" as suggested in the docs blows away my FS area, so my customizations are undone... suggestions?
[15:51] <frop> but are images from buildroot-ng usable?
[17:17] <nbd> frop: unknown
[17:18] <frop> imho no
[17:18] <frop> mount_devfs_fs(): unable to mount devfs, err: -2
[17:18] <frop> Freeing unused kernel memory: 120k freed
[17:18] <frop> Warning: unable to open an initial console.
[17:18] <frop> Failed to execute /etc/preinit. Attempting defaults...
[17:18] <frop> on a wgt
[17:22] <h3sp4wn> I can comfirm that that that happens also
[17:23] <frop> h3sp4wn on a wgt?
[17:24] <h3sp4wn> wgt634u
[17:24] <h3sp4wn> default image built with buildroot-ng
[17:24] <frop> yep
[17:25] <frop> i've just tried it
[17:25] <h3sp4wn> As I have I (directly after you said it didn't)
[17:25] <frop> :)
[17:52] <frop> Mounted devfs on /dev
[17:52] <frop> Freeing unused kernel memory: 120k freed
[17:52] <frop> Algorithmics/MIPS FPU Emulator v1.5
[17:52] <frop> from buildroot-NOT-ng
[17:54] <nbd> seems like it didn't install base-files
[18:03] <CIA-16> nbd * r3894 /branches/buildroot-ng/openwrt/package/base-files/Makefile: fix a typo that prevents base-files from being installed
[18:03] <nbd> frop: there you go
[18:04] <nbd> frop: the images might be usable now
[18:05] <frop> building
[18:12] <CIA-16> nbd * r3895 /branches/buildroot-ng/openwrt/package/rules.mk: store stamp file for 'development headers installed' in the staging dir instead of the package dir
[18:17] <CIA-16> nbd * r3896 /branches/buildroot-ng/openwrt/ (Config.in package/rules.mk): remove unused wget menuconfig option; make the package autorebuild optional (but enabled by default)
[18:21] <[mbm]> 'lo
[18:27] <CIA-16> nbd * r3897 /branches/buildroot-ng/openwrt/Makefile: run defconfig at the start of a normal make run to get additional config options
[18:27] <nbd> hey mike
[18:27] <[mbm]> sup felix?
[18:28] <nbd> any new ideas on the verbose stuff?
[18:28] <nbd> or on the package repository?
[18:28] <[mbm]> grr .. the 'distclean' target just wiped out .svn
[18:28] <[mbm]> and then complained that it couldn't delete . and ..
[18:29] <nbd> oops
[18:29] <nbd> fixing that...
[18:29] Action: [mbm] would fix that but.. well, the .svn is gone :P
[18:30] <[mbm]> anyways, I haven't had a chance to look at the trace/verbose stuff .. that's this weekend/next week
[18:30] <CIA-16> nbd * r3898 /branches/buildroot-ng/openwrt/Makefile: don't delete .svn on distclean
[18:31] <nbd> ok
[20:49] <blux> Hi!
[20:49] <nbd> welcome to #openwrt-devel
[20:52] <blux> someone replached the flash chip in WRT's with a bigger one?
[20:52] <nbd> why?
[20:53] <blux> to have more space
[20:53] <nbd> i don't think many people will do this, because you can just get a router with usb instead
[20:53] <nbd> much easier
[20:53] <blux> hmm
[20:54] <blux> so nobody did?
[20:55] <nbd> i don't remember anyone announcing it
[20:55] <blux> ok
[20:56] <blux> I did, but with no sucess yet.. . still working on it
[22:08] <crodler> anybody knows pinout/speed for serial console at asus wl500g?
[00:00] --- Sat Jun 3 2006
[00:34] <frop> -rw------- 1 mrmr users 1757184 Jun 2 00:31 openwrt-brcm-2.6-squashfs.trx
[00:34] <frop> with buildroot-ng
[00:35] <nbd> it builds images, yes
[00:35] <nbd> but it's not complete yet :)
[00:37] <frop> brcm-2.6-ng/openwrt/bin/packages/base-files-brcm-2.6_-8_mipsel.ipk
[00:37] <frop> brcm-2.6/openwrt/bin/packages/base-files-brcm-2.6_2_mipsel.ipk
[00:37] <frop> ...first report? an error in package name?
[00:39] <[mbm]> buildroot-ng is awsome ;)
[00:41] <h3sp4wn> Where can a checkout be done from ?
[00:41] <[mbm]> it's in svn, under branches/buildroot-ng
[00:41] <h3sp4wn> thanks I will have a look
[01:11] Action: [mbm] starts installing the new ubuntu
[01:16] <frop> nooo
[01:16] <frop> ubuntu nooo
[01:16] <nbd> ?
[01:17] <frop> nbd np...just trolling
[01:17] <nbd> that's not what this channel is for
[01:17] <nbd> :)
[01:18] <frop> ...but...a question come to me...why ubuntu??
[01:20] <[mbm]> because it came out the other day
[01:20] <CIA-16> nbd * r3888 /branches/buildroot-ng/openwrt/package/base-files/Makefile: fix base-files version number
[01:20] <nbd> :)
[01:20] <[mbm]> although honestly their default color scheme is horrible .. dark brown on black?
[01:20] <frop> well...at least...it's dark one
[01:21] <[mbm]> well, it limits my lcd viewing angle
[01:21] <frop> good for your's eyes health
[01:21] <[mbm]> few degrees and it becomes black on black
[01:21] <frop> ahah
[01:21] <h3sp4wn> Its changed to bright orange you may be happy to know
[01:21] <[mbm]> h3sp4wn: I'm running it now, it's dawk brown
[01:22] <h3sp4wn> The new version ?
[01:22] <[mbm]> yeah
[01:22] <[mbm]> it's not an rc
[01:24] <h3sp4wn> It was different at one point maybe it got changed back (irrelevant anyway)
[01:28] <CIA-16> nico * r3889 /trunk/openwrt/package/freeradius/patches/07-freeradius-1.1.1-no_openssl_engine_check.patch:
[01:28] <CIA-16> disable check for openssl/engine.h in configure so that the package can be
[01:28] <CIA-16> backported to whiterussian.
[01:34] <common> [mbm]: any docs regarding gdbserver & gdbclient so i can resolve symbols?
[01:39] <common> nbd?
[01:39] Action: nbd has never used gdb
[01:40] <common> you should improve support for debugging code on the box
[01:40] Action: nbd has never needed gdb
[01:41] <thepeople> nbd: I see you are the current owner of the ticket for porting webif to kamikaze, I am wondering what the current status of that package being ported is
[01:42] <nbd> webif will have to be rewritten
[01:42] <nbd> there are going to be some major structural changes to the way kamikaze handles the configuration
[01:42] <nbd> and webif has a few problems of its own
[01:43] <thepeople> Will the changes in kamikaze be the same across all platforms
[01:43] <thepeople> for the configuation
[01:45] <thepeople> I have been working on porting webif to the X86 version of webif and have parts of it working, although I need to do some refining of my code currently
[01:45] <thepeople> X86 version of kamikaze, I meant
[01:47] <nbd> but that'll stop working once the new config stuff hits kamikaze
[01:48] <thepeople> alright, so the configuration changes are yet to come, I guess I will wait for that to happen then before I continue
[01:48] <thepeople> thanks
[01:50] <thepeople> any type of timeline on the new config stuff hitting kamikaze, or just when its done
[01:54] <nbd> just when it's done
[01:55] <thepeople> ok, thank you for the information :-)
[01:55] <nbd> :)
[01:55] <nbd> you're welcome
[01:56] <frop> -rw------- 1 4998 Jun 2 01:43 bin/packages/mtd_-4_mipsel.ipk
[01:59] <[mbm]> eww, it's disgusting how many apps on the ubunto gnome desktop are blatent copies of the windows versions
[02:01] <CIA-16> nbd * r3890 /branches/buildroot-ng/openwrt/package/rules.mk: fix version info for packages that either lack PKG_VERSION or PKG_RELEASE
[02:01] <nbd> frop: :)
[02:01] <nbd> [mbm]: yeah. it all comes from the notion of having to 'compete' with it...
[02:02] <frop> [mbm] i was told you..."why ubuntu?"
[02:02] <nbd> frop: this is not ubuntu-specific
[02:02] <[mbm]> the ripoff is a gnome thing
[02:02] <nbd> well, a kde thing as well
[02:03] <nbd> in large parts
[02:03] <frop> mmmh...maybe...so...apt-get remove gnome
[02:03] <frop> :)
[02:03] <[mbm]> kde is slightly less blatent, but yes
[02:03] Action: nbd uses xfce on some machines, wmaker on others
[02:03] <[mbm]> I'm looking at the remote desktop connection and they even copied the artwork
[02:03] <frop> when i use a linux desktop (never)...i install just a light wm...
[02:04] <nbd> frop: so how do you like the automatic rebuild of buildroot-ng?
[02:04] <frop> automatic rebuild?
[02:04] <nbd> you don't have to call the clean targets manually anymore for package makefile changes
[02:05] <nbd> it'll do the right thing automatically
[02:05] <frop> so...just "make menuconfig ; make"?
[02:05] <[mbm]> yep
[02:05] <frop> eheh
[02:05] <frop> make package/base-files-clean target/linux-clean
[02:05] <frop> just used this
[02:05] <nbd> [mbm]: maybe we should extend that to make oldconfig as well
[02:06] <nbd> frop: the target/linux-clean isn't done automatically yet
[02:06] <[mbm]> frop: you don't need that .. you could just edit anything in packages or build_mipsel and run make
[02:06] <nbd> frop: but package/base-files-clean is
[02:06] <frop> good
[02:07] <frop> btw, i find not so clear how to add static-module in kernel
[02:08] Action: [mbm] wishes people would take an interest in the linux desktop other than bloated desktop managers, eyecandy and copying windows/mac
[02:08] <frop> cause, there "Kernel Configuration / Device Support" and then "Drivers"
[02:09] <nbd> 'drivers' is currently for externally built kernel stuff
[02:10] <frop> ok...but, if i choose something as "*" it's not included statically in kernel...it's just a kmod-something added to the image...
[02:10] <frop> ...isn't it?
[02:10] <nbd> right
[02:11] <frop> ok...so atm isn't possible to have it static in kernel?
[02:11] <nbd> not without manually editing the config
[02:12] <[mbm]> everything is setup for an imagebuilder build .. all the pieces are static and the config just picks which ones to put into the firmware
[02:13] <frop> ok...or we could just use "make menuconfig" in kernel specific dir
[02:13] <[mbm]> there's no support for an item which changes depending on configuration
[02:13] <frop> [mbm] it should be written in future docs about buildroot-ng
[02:14] <[mbm]> well, right now there's no docs on buildroot-ng ...
[02:15] <frop> eheh...it'll come when buildroot go to death
[02:15] <[mbm]> ?
[02:16] <frop> https://dev.openwrt.org/browser/trunk/openwrt/docs/buildroot-documentation.html?format=raw
[02:16] <frop> this...will change i guess
[02:17] <nbd> yeah
[02:18] <frop> ...also, i find that buildroot-documentation.html lacks something on possible "targets"
[02:18] <frop> not all are able to read a Makefile...me too
[02:21] <frop> ...but, in this way, we arrive to an already spoken problems...strong documentation helps a lot, and it's an important part of a open-source project
[02:22] <frop> ...for example...i dislike gentoo...but many user use gentoo, cause the amazing wiki and BIG forum
[02:23] Action: [mbm] wonders who frop is talking to, or why
[02:24] <frop> [mbm] just wondering
[03:32] <CIA-16> nico * r3891 /trunk/openwrt/package/ (7 files in 3 dirs): add libmcrypt package (thanks to Martin Matuska).
[04:34] <CIA-16> nico * r3892 /trunk/openwrt/package/avahi/Makefile: update avahi to v0.6.10.
[04:53] <CIA-16> nico * r3893 /trunk/openwrt/package/wakelan/ (. Config.in Makefile ipkg/ ipkg/wakelan.control): add wakelan package (closes: #577).
[06:02] <ro12> how do i upload an sh script to my wrt54g?
[09:02] <nwf> Hey all... I've a buildroot question. Running "make target_install" as suggested in the docs blows away my FS area, so my customizations are undone... suggestions?
[15:51] <frop> but are images from buildroot-ng usable?
[17:17] <nbd> frop: unknown
[17:18] <frop> imho no
[17:18] <frop> mount_devfs_fs(): unable to mount devfs, err: -2
[17:18] <frop> Freeing unused kernel memory: 120k freed
[17:18] <frop> Warning: unable to open an initial console.
[17:18] <frop> Failed to execute /etc/preinit. Attempting defaults...
[17:18] <frop> on a wgt
[17:22] <h3sp4wn> I can comfirm that that that happens also
[17:23] <frop> h3sp4wn on a wgt?
[17:24] <h3sp4wn> wgt634u
[17:24] <h3sp4wn> default image built with buildroot-ng
[17:24] <frop> yep
[17:25] <frop> i've just tried it
[17:25] <h3sp4wn> As I have I (directly after you said it didn't)
[17:25] <frop> :)
[17:52] <frop> Mounted devfs on /dev
[17:52] <frop> Freeing unused kernel memory: 120k freed
[17:52] <frop> Algorithmics/MIPS FPU Emulator v1.5
[17:52] <frop> from buildroot-NOT-ng
[17:54] <nbd> seems like it didn't install base-files
[18:03] <CIA-16> nbd * r3894 /branches/buildroot-ng/openwrt/package/base-files/Makefile: fix a typo that prevents base-files from being installed
[18:03] <nbd> frop: there you go
[18:04] <nbd> frop: the images might be usable now
[18:05] <frop> building
[18:12] <CIA-16> nbd * r3895 /branches/buildroot-ng/openwrt/package/rules.mk: store stamp file for 'development headers installed' in the staging dir instead of the package dir
[18:17] <CIA-16> nbd * r3896 /branches/buildroot-ng/openwrt/ (Config.in package/rules.mk): remove unused wget menuconfig option; make the package autorebuild optional (but enabled by default)
[18:21] <[mbm]> 'lo
[18:27] <CIA-16> nbd * r3897 /branches/buildroot-ng/openwrt/Makefile: run defconfig at the start of a normal make run to get additional config options
[18:27] <nbd> hey mike
[18:27] <[mbm]> sup felix?
[18:28] <nbd> any new ideas on the verbose stuff?
[18:28] <nbd> or on the package repository?
[18:28] <[mbm]> grr .. the 'distclean' target just wiped out .svn
[18:28] <[mbm]> and then complained that it couldn't delete . and ..
[18:29] <nbd> oops
[18:29] <nbd> fixing that...
[18:29] Action: [mbm] would fix that but.. well, the .svn is gone :P
[18:30] <[mbm]> anyways, I haven't had a chance to look at the trace/verbose stuff .. that's this weekend/next week
[18:30] <CIA-16> nbd * r3898 /branches/buildroot-ng/openwrt/Makefile: don't delete .svn on distclean
[18:31] <nbd> ok
[20:49] <blux> Hi!
[20:49] <nbd> welcome to #openwrt-devel
[20:52] <blux> someone replached the flash chip in WRT's with a bigger one?
[20:52] <nbd> why?
[20:53] <blux> to have more space
[20:53] <nbd> i don't think many people will do this, because you can just get a router with usb instead
[20:53] <nbd> much easier
[20:53] <blux> hmm
[20:54] <blux> so nobody did?
[20:55] <nbd> i don't remember anyone announcing it
[20:55] <blux> ok
[20:56] <blux> I did, but with no sucess yet.. . still working on it
[22:08] <crodler> anybody knows pinout/speed for serial console at asus wl500g?
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